wellgirl Posted yesterday at 01:57 PM Report Share Posted yesterday at 01:57 PM He's not even played a minute for us yet - surely he needs to play about five minutes before he gets slagged off/told a youth player/someone who sits in the Hunter stand could do better 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Dog Posted yesterday at 02:13 PM Report Share Posted yesterday at 02:13 PM 13 minutes ago, wellgirl said: He's not even played a minute for us yet - surely he needs to play about five minutes before he gets slagged off/told a youth player/someone who sits in the Hunter stand could do better He might turn out to be our best centre-back in years but my issue is that we could lose him for between three and six games against a team that we almost always get beaten by. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stv Posted yesterday at 02:18 PM Report Share Posted yesterday at 02:18 PM 19 minutes ago, wellgirl said: He's not even played a minute for us yet - surely he needs to play about five minutes before he gets slagged off/told a youth player/someone who sits in the Hunter stand could do better C'mon where have u been for the last 17 years. You should know by now how it works on here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texanwellfan Posted yesterday at 02:18 PM Report Share Posted yesterday at 02:18 PM 5 hours ago, joewarkfanclub said: It would be churlish to suggest we have had anything else other than a successful window, but I am a little disappointed we let Wilson go out on loan without a replacement. He may have his deficiencies, ,but in my eyes at least he was a decent enough back up, in the same way Halliday is for the midfield spots. I guess if JBA doesnt rate him and the boy wants to play, fair enough. He might yet develop with more first team football at Raith. Just not convinced that we have adequate cover if anything happens to Longelo as we would be looking at SOD, McGinn or Halliday in there. As for the rest of the squad. Midfield is excellent. Wide areas look good. Up front remains to be seen but at least Maswanhise is scoring for now. GK needs to settle down with either Ox being given a shot to see if he can do any better or just standing by Ward in the hope he can iron out the mistakes. Good first window for JBA. Still some weaknesses to address, but we are gonna be fun to watch and hopefulky we ecan get enough wins to allow him time to build. Perhaps a clause in the loan agreement that we can bring him back anytime if needed or specifically if Longellonis out for a period?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellgirl Posted yesterday at 02:20 PM Report Share Posted yesterday at 02:20 PM 1 minute ago, stv said: C'mon where have u been for the last 17 years. You should know by now how it works on here. 🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellgirl Posted yesterday at 02:21 PM Report Share Posted yesterday at 02:21 PM 1 minute ago, texanwellfan said: Perhaps a clause in the loan agreement that we can bring him back anytime if needed or specifically if Longellonis out for a period?? Pretty sure we could recall him as he's still our player Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grizzlyg Posted yesterday at 02:23 PM Report Share Posted yesterday at 02:23 PM 4 minutes ago, texanwellfan said: Perhaps a clause in the loan agreement that we can bring him back anytime if needed or specifically if Longellonis out for a period?? Is that our Greek left back? 🤣🤣 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texanwellfan Posted yesterday at 02:47 PM Report Share Posted yesterday at 02:47 PM 21 minutes ago, grizzlyg said: Is that our Greek left back? 🤣🤣 😂 apparently I tend to hit the n key instead of the space button but normally I see it and correct it but since I haven’t finished my coffee yet I’m obviously not very alert. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewarkfanclub Posted yesterday at 03:36 PM Report Share Posted yesterday at 03:36 PM 1 hour ago, texanwellfan said: Perhaps a clause in the loan agreement that we can bring him back anytime if needed or specifically if Longellonis out for a period?? Aye that would certainly make sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dennyc Posted 22 hours ago Report Share Posted 22 hours ago 4 hours ago, texanwellfan said: Perhaps a clause in the loan agreement that we can bring him back anytime if needed or specifically if Longellonis out for a period?? I think a return clause can be in any loan deal but that any return can only be made in a transfer window. So January is the earliest Wilson could be recalled. There can be an exemption for goalkeepers if SPFL authorise emergency cover. But that does not apply to outfield players. Scottish youngsters can now move back and forward as long as they are loaned to a lower league Club under the new Partnership scheme. Raith are not our 'partners' so that rules out that possibility. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texanwellfan Posted 22 hours ago Report Share Posted 22 hours ago 3 minutes ago, dennyc said: I think a return clause can be in any loan deal but that any return can only be made in the transfer window. So January is the earliest Wilson could be recalled. There can be an exemption for goalkeepers if SPFL authorise emergency cover. But that does not apply to outfield players. You’re probably right Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weeyin Posted 22 hours ago Report Share Posted 22 hours ago Wilson's loan only runs until January - although they are often extended. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderpig Posted 19 hours ago Report Share Posted 19 hours ago 2 hours ago, dennyc said: I think a return clause can be in any loan deal but that any return can only be made in a transfer window. So January is the earliest Wilson could be recalled. I'm not sure that's correct as I understand it a loan player can be recalled anytime the parent club deems it necessary, plus Wilson is already our player so we are not adding a player so no need to wait for a transfer window. It really depends on the fine print in the loan agreement and what both clubs have agreed on. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellgirl Posted 19 hours ago Report Share Posted 19 hours ago 27 minutes ago, Spiderpig said: I'm not sure that's correct as I understand it a loan player can be recalled anytime the parent club deems it necessary, plus Wilson is already our player so we are not adding a player so no need to wait for a transfer window. It really depends on the fine print in the loan agreement and what both clubs have agreed on. I believe so. We recalled Matty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellgirl Posted 19 hours ago Report Share Posted 19 hours ago Sorry to say this but I don't care about Wilson right now - he's a talent but he's not good enough just now and all the talk about cover for Manny is premature in my view as he's not injured Wilson has had his chance and he's lost confidence and not ready just now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dennyc Posted 19 hours ago Report Share Posted 19 hours ago 8 minutes ago, wellgirl said: I believe so. We recalled Matty. A goalkeeper under an emergency situation. Stricter rules for outfield players. My understanding anyway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ropy Posted 18 hours ago Report Share Posted 18 hours ago 49 minutes ago, Spiderpig said: I'm not sure that's correct as I understand it a loan player can be recalled anytime the parent club deems it necessary, plus Wilson is already our player so we are not adding a player so no need to wait for a transfer window. It really depends on the fine print in the loan agreement and what both clubs have agreed on. He can only re-register with us in January, different for a goal keeper (in an emergency), different for Stenhousemuir. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dennyc Posted 18 hours ago Report Share Posted 18 hours ago Had a wee search and found this posted in reply to the same question re Loans. Ties in with what I understood to be the situation. The Partnership agreement with Stenny and Cowdenbeath regarding young Scottish players falls outside the normal Loan terms. Quote "Clubs can now only make loan deals during the two transfer windows between July/August and January and players can only be brought into clubs on either half season or full season loans. The changes mean that players can no longer be brought into clubs outside of the transfer windows on short-term deals with many clubs often bringing in players on a month`s loan during the season. The changes also mean that clubs cannot recall a player until the transfer window reopens, the only exception to this is with goalkeepers. Parent clubs can recall a goalkeeper with just 24-hours notice if they do not have two fit goalkeepers at their club. Clubs can still recall players to feature for their development squad during the loan period." So on that basis, Wilson returning before January is a non starter. I guess new rules were introduced to stop clubs abusing the system by swapping players back and forward, sometimes for a month or less at a time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weeyin Posted 17 hours ago Report Share Posted 17 hours ago There are also the Cooperation Agreements this season, aimed at players aged 16 - 21, where they can be moved at will between loan club and parent club all season. Wilson is not part of those, but a couple of other youngsters are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewarkfanclub Posted 9 hours ago Report Share Posted 9 hours ago 22 hours ago, joewarkfanclub said: Will wait to see how he looks in a Motherwell jesrsey, but cant say I was ever overly impressed when he played against us for Celtic. All relative though. If he is better than we have in the building, he will do fine. 18 hours ago, El Grew said: And exactly how many times did he play against us that warrants this judgment? 😵💫 18 hours ago, robsterwood said: He scored against well in 2021 . A game they won and also scored in win against real bets shortly after. But must have been poor as jwfanclubbsaid. Must take a lot time impres that dude. Not sure what part of my post is that remarkable that it has drawn 2 negative posts. At no point have I stated Welsh was a bad player, or wouldnt do a job for us. Im just of the opinion he isnt the most impressive Celtic defender Ive ever seen and we are taking him on loan with an injury record that would suggest he might not be able to play a lot of games. If he has goals in his locker, thats a good thing. I do hope he is the second coming of Paolo Maldini however, and can lead us to a cup win! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stv Posted 4 hours ago Report Share Posted 4 hours ago 4 hours ago, joewarkfanclub said: At no point have I stated Welsh was a bad player, or wouldnt do a job for us. Im just of the opinion he isnt the most impressive Celtic defender Ive ever seen and we are taking him on loan with an injury record that would suggest he might not be able to play a lot of games. If he has goals in his locker, thats a good thing. I do hope he is the second coming of Paolo Maldini however, and can lead us to a cup win! What are the chances of us signing Celiks most impressive defender on loan for a year then. He is a very good signing for a wee team like us, played against big teams ,big team experience and training , big guy and a powerful defender just what we need to organise a pussy defence shipping needless goals. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robsterwood Posted 1 hour ago Report Share Posted 1 hour ago Any news on Slattery injury yet? I've not seen update anywhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MelvinBragg Posted 1 hour ago Report Share Posted 1 hour ago 2 hours ago, stv said: we need to organise a pussy defence shipping needless goals. I'd argue that the defence hasn't shipped too many howlers this season. Rangers goal - set piece Hearts - first goal was a belter, second goal got caught marginally with a high line, third GK error. Killie - First goal is one I'll give you, second goal GK error... Not many needless goals shipped to my mind. This is not to say Welsh won't be a decent signing. But just feel our centre halfs haven't been that culpable for goals this season... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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