Our New Manager Who Do We Want....Again?

[Kmcalpin]

Here we go again.

[AllyMax]

Not a name that anyone is going to mention on here, PLZ, the sun or the betting sites. No recycled Scottish journeymen failures. 

[Kmcalpin]

3 minutes ago, AllyMax said:

Not a name that anyone is going to mention on here, PLZ, the sun or the betting sites. No recycled Scottish journeymen failures. 

I'd go along with that Ally. We have a reputation for picking left field candidates so why not again?

No Imries, Valakaris, Naismiths or Docherties please.

[twistandshout1983]

No doubt whatever happens wee Billy Davies will have his name in for the job

[Mad Dog]

Jürgen Klopp please.

[wellsince75]

I've always harboured hope that Craggs would want it but he's sensibly opted for pundit route - much easier life I imagine. 

For me there is a watch out re another  Wimmer esk appt. By that I mean a manager who lives away from his family, If he moved to UK and his family didn't, well how was that ever going to work ?(forgive my hindsight goggles)

I'm hoping there was a good second choice a few months ago then they may still be available.  

For the record I think we've proven over the long term that we don't appoint the obvious failed Scottish managers.  

[stv]

2 hours ago, Mad Dog said:

Jürgen Klopp please.

Saw him in The Rex this evening , just a coincidence ?

[Toxteth O'Grady]

9 hours ago, wellsince75 said:

I'm hoping there was a good second choice a few months ago then they may still be available.  

I liked the sound of the former Preston manager who was in the running last time. Not sure if he is still available, or if indeed he would still be interested. 

[wellsince75]

20 minutes ago, Toxteth O'Grady said:

I liked the sound of the former Preston manager who was in the running last time. Not sure if he is still available, or if indeed he would still be interested. 

think that wad Ryan Lowe who's now with Wigan. 

Modern day football is bonkers.  The every season year change of strip now outlasts many managers - can't be good for any business. 

I'm ok with slow progress, I liked the style of football Wimmer was aiming for,  would like the next manager to bring the same philosophy and be given time to move us forward/have the desire to stay for a few years.  

[grizzlyg]

Club took us all by surprise last time and done a lot of research.  Hopefully will take their time again.

I don't think Wimmer appointment was a mistake and I genuinely don't think he would have taken job if he knew a few months down line this would have happened. 

[wellup83]

You would imagine the club would sound out a name from the previous shortlist. That will depend on availability though. After the Wimmer appointment and with a bit of compo received albeit probably minimal, I trust the club to get the right man in.

[wellsince75]

3 hours ago, grizzlyg said:

Club took us all by surprise last time and done a lot of research.  Hopefully will take their time again.

I don't think Wimmer appointment was a mistake and I genuinely don't think he would have taken job if he knew a few months down line this would have happened. 

With hindsight I can see how it’s being discribed  as a mistake .  Why oh why would his family decide to stay in Germany rather than move to Lanarkshire ?
 

that part is always a bit of risk. 
 

As a club we’ve got a decent record of brining in an unexpected candidate .  Over the years Butcher , Mcall ,McGhee , barroclough , gannon, brown , Alexander .  Don’t think any recall any being obvious  .   
 

we need a bit of stability and ideally one who’ll stick around for a bit akin to butcher , Mcall , Robinson . 

[wellfan]

1 hour ago, grizzlyg said:

I don't think Wimmer appointment was a mistake and I genuinely don't think he would have taken job if he knew a few months down line this would have happened. 

I agree. I don’t think anyone can ever call such appointments a mistake, although there should be recognition that there is a big element of risk involved, but that’s football. And that risk has unfortunately come to fruition.  

On your second point, I would say that he absolutely took the job knowing it could be a short thing for him to boost his CV. We’ve all done it. I’ve moved to a new post, promising them at least 3 years of service, when I was absolutely planning on using it to get me into another post elsewhere as soon as possible. It’s annoying when it happens against your interests, but it’s normal.

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[stv]

1 hour ago, wellup83 said:

You would imagine the club would sound out a name from the previous shortlist. That will depend on availability though. After the Wimmer appointment and with a bit of compo received albeit probably minimal, I trust the club to get the right man in.

Why would compensation be minimal he was our clubs manager, signed up on a permanent contract, just starting to rebuild the team for a new season. Motherwell FC invested a lot of time , effort and trust into this guy then he is more or less poached to another club.
Family problems fair enough but to have a job lined up as soon as he leaves , starting immediately , well that doesn’t happen overnight does it. Stinks a bit.

We now have to reorganise all our future plans , the direction the club was going with him and our signing targets  . Then start all over again to find a new manager when two of our direct league rivals are doing the same in the same market place.. He's left us in the shit  . 

We should be getting quite a bit of compensation to cover all this I would think. But it is the real world and we are Motherwell after all . So we will probably come out of this looking like a caring ,compassionate and understanding club , which in the cold light of day the whole thing will have cost us a lot.

[stv]

18 minutes ago, wellfan said:

I agree. I don’t think anyone can ever call such appointments a mistake, although there should be recognition that there is a big element of risk involved, but that’s football. And that risk has unfortunately come to fruition.  

On your second point, I would say that he absolutely took the job knowing it could be a short thing for him to boost his CV. We’ve all done it. I’ve moved to a new post, promising them at least 3 years of service, when I was absolutely planning on using it to get me into another post elsewhere as soon as possible. It’s annoying when it happens against your interests, but it’s normal.

Next…

Wow, you seem like a guy that can really be trusted. By the way not everyone thinks like that and it may be normal for you , some folk actually have integrity and do what they say they will do. With the total exception of football of course.

[SteelmaninOZ]

11 hours ago, stv said:

Saw him in The Rex this evening , just a coincidence ?

Trip advisor?

[wellfan]

31 minutes ago, stv said:

Wow, you seem like a guy that can really be trusted. By the way not everyone thinks like that and it may be normal for you , some folk actually have integrity and do what they say they will do. With the total exception of football of course.

You’ve clearly lived a very sheltered life if that’s your take here.

People should always look after number one; not their boss or anyone else. Integrity means nothing in the context of commitment to your employer vs that to yourself or your family. I do what’s in the best interests of me and my family over what’s in the best interests of my employer, but that in no way means I am negligent or shit at my job. To the contrary in fact.

I’m as pissed off as you are about Wimmer leaving, but life isn’t as black and white as you seem to be suggesting. 

[wellup83]

1 hour ago, stv said:

Why would compensation be minimal he was our clubs manager, signed up on a permanent contract, just starting to rebuild the team for a new season. Motherwell FC invested a lot of time , effort and trust into this guy then he is more or less poached to another club.
Family problems fair enough but to have a job lined up as soon as he leaves , starting immediately , well that doesn’t happen overnight does it. Stinks a bit.

We now have to reorganise all our future plans , the direction the club was going with him and our signing targets  . Then start all over again to find a new manager when two of our direct league rivals are doing the same in the same market place.. He's left us in the shit  . 

We should be getting quite a bit of compensation to cover all this I would think. But it is the real world and we are Motherwell after all . So we will probably come out of this looking like a caring ,compassionate and understanding club , which in the cold light of day the whole thing will have cost us a lot.

Because at the end of the day they'll have got him on a bargain. The guy wanted away so the clubs hands were tied. A price is agreed between the clubs undoubtedly in their favour because if it isn't Wimmer walks and we get fa.

[0Neils40yarder]

Billy Davies

[Mad Dog]

I can't find how long Wimmer's contract was, as that would surely have been a factor in the compensation discussion.

[wellgirl]

6 minutes ago, Mad Dog said:

I can't find how long Wimmer's contract was, as that would surely have been a factor in the compensation discussion.

Nothing said publicly about how long it was on the club statement when he was appointed. Potentially 12 month rolling contract but that's just an assumption on my part. 

[wellsince75]

bookies early list has led me to drinking early in the afternoon , not much there to inspire.   

Last time I thought Van Der Gaag was close to the job. As an assistant at AJAX and Man Utd I'd be happier for someone like him to join. 

https://news.bet365.com/en-gb/article/football-next-motherwell-manager-potential-contenders/2025052315032484636

• Robbie Neilson . Managed 400 games with 50% win record. Experience in SPL
• Scott Brown.  130 games 40% win record. No experience managing SPL. 
• Des Buckingham.  176 games 40$ win record. Maining in Nz & Oxford. 
• Steven Naismith. 65 games win record 43%.
• Tony Docherty. 90 games. 30% win record. 
   

[stv]

1 hour ago, wellfan said:

You’ve clearly lived a very sheltered life if that’s your take here.

People should always look after number one; not their boss or anyone else. Integrity means nothing in the context of commitment to your employer vs that to yourself or your family. I do what’s in the best interests of me and my family over what’s in the best interests of my employer, but that in no way means I am negligent or shit at my job. To the contrary in fact.

I’m as pissed off as you are about Wimmer leaving, but life isn’t as black and white as you seem to be suggesting. 

The Wolf of Wall Street right enough.  😂

[weeyin]

Whatever the real story is - no team can afford to have a manager (or player) that doesn't want to be there. Look at Amorim at Man U. Even before their cup loss, he was letting everyone know he wouldn't even ask for compensation if the sacked him.

There could genuinely be family issues, he might just have been homesick, or he might have looked at the possibility of Livi being promoted and thought "I can't work in any tinpot league that allows 25% of their clubs to play on plastic"

From the club's perspective, I was happy they tried something like this and disappointed it didn't work out. It was certainly a better idea than the times we had people on here suggesting Tommy Wright should be appointed as a "safe pair of hands".

At least the new man will be able to bring in a few of his own players over the summer and get a pre-season to prepare.

[weetommy]

I think David Healy could be worth considering. He was close to taking the Raith Rovers job so is obviously interested in managing in Scotland. He has done a very good job at Linfield and whenever I’ve seen him analyse Northern Ireland matches he comes across very well. It’s the type of left field appointment we could make.