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Dundee v Motherwell 13/09/2025


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A solid first half undone by weak defending, poor decision-making in front of goal, and a number nine who can’t score. Not taking the reported £800K for Stama to sign a proper striker may prove to be our biggest mistake this season. We’ve got a good midfield in general, however. Fantastic.

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Really disappointing not winning that.

we had 2 clear chances with AP and Maswanhise in that second half and we should have been out of sight.

first half was excellent, second half was a tougher watch …. Anyway, onwards we go

 

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4 minutes ago, BigManTam said:

Disagree on both accounts. We have played well, should have scored 1 if not 2.

Dundee have only had one real chance, which was a lump in the box they managed to convert.

We're heading and shoulders above the rest of the dross in this league (bar celtic).

Nice play and do

 

1 minute ago, BigManTam said:

Aye, if we had a van veen, moult or even a Bair up top we'd really be a force to be reckoned with.

AP lacks the cutting edge, Osong has looked powderpuff in his (admittedly) limited game time. Our last great hope is Hendry - fingers crossed he can make an impact when he's back and gets a chance at a full 90!

How many chances will Stamatelopoulos get with JBA, he is feckin brutal, no positional sense, always on the back foot, and generally looks out of his depth in most games. 

If we still had the likes of Moult, KVV or Bair up top, we would be top 2 at least 

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Just now, Stuwell2 said:

Sorry to say as some of the football is great to watch but 5 games undefeated or 5 games without a win, whatever way you say it, that’s another 2 points dropped.
Not good enough. 

Correct.

Especially when you take into account being 3-0 up with less than half an hour to go and only draw, 2-1 up with less than ten to go at home and only draw and today 1-0 up and comfortable in the first half yet fail to press home our advantage and again only draw. 
 

We could very well look back on this sequence of results and rue them as a very big missed opportunity. 

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1 minute ago, Stuwell2 said:

Sorry to say as some of the football is great to watch but 5 games undefeated or 5 games without a win, whatever way you say it, that’s another 2 points dropped.
Not good enough. 

I'll take it over 2 wins and a draw playing hoofball.

Admittedly though, it does need to produce the wins at some point. The way I see it, it's basically a few few freak errors which have prevented us picking up AT LEAST one win.

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2 minutes ago, postiejim said:

When will we give a team a good going over. I’ve been hearing that since the Rangers game ?

Yes that and “on another day”

On another day we turn our 2nd half dominance against Rangers into a win

On another day we don’t bottle a 3-0 lead at Tynecastle to be left clinging on for a draw

On another day Ward doesn’t drop the ball to throw away two points against Killie

On another day we could have been two, three up against Dundee but only end up drawing.

I’m sorry but this “on another day” just isn’t happening for me. You can blame Ward all you like, but this team under this manager has yet to show that it is capable of winning football matches.

And let me be as clear as I possibly can here. I am not for one second suggesting that the manager should be sacked or that I think that he should be. Not at all. What I am saying though that I remain far from convinced with him and this team and until we finally record a win in 90 minutes or in next weeks case progress in the League Cup then that will remain the case.

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Could be worse. We could be Aberdeen or Rangers.

It'll come. We're five weeks into a season with a complete change of players and style. 

We've outplayed everyone we've seen this season. It'll come good at the top end in time. 

Another good thing is we're five games undefeated, which is miles better than the five games without a win it would have been if Kettlewell was still in charge 😂

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Not at the game today so won't comment on it but....

I think it will be interesting when we go into the 2nd round of matches.

Usually in the second round of matches teams are more familiar with the set up and go into matches to counteract the opposition tactics established earlier in the season. 

If we can't win matches in the first round of matches it might be even more of a struggle to get wins later in the season unless we change something up, which I don't think is Askou's way.

I've always said you look at things 11, 22, 33 matches into the season, that's when you review it so there is still a while for us to get wins but we really need to start winning matches.

3-0 up at Hearts, 2-1 up against Kilmarnock, 1-0 up against Dundee.  6 points dropped from not being able to hold a lead.  It's an issue if it continues.

 

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10 minutes ago, AllyMax said:

Could be worse. We could be Aberdeen or Rangers.

It'll come. We're five weeks into a season with a complete change of players and style. 

We've outplayed everyone we've seen this season. It'll come good at the top end in time. 

Another good thing is we're five games undefeated, which is miles better than the five games without a win it would have been if Kettlewell was still in charge 😂

That’s just a cop out answer.

What Aberdeen, Rangers or anyone else does or doesn’t do doesn’t concern us. 
 

The facts are that we have thrown away six points in our last three games from winning positions and we are now in mid September without a win in 90 minutes to our name since the season began proper. We now have Aberdeen away in the League Cup, then Aberdeen again at home in the League then Celtic away. Looking at that run of fixtures you have got to be honest and say that we will in all likelihood win none of them. (The home game against Aberdeen is probably our best chance imo but even then you wouldn’t count on it). If that turns out to be the case then we can only look back at our start to the season and the last three games in particular as a big, big set of missed opportunities to get points on the board. 
 

It’s still early days but this is shaping up to be a very frustrating season already.

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1 minute ago, texanwellfan said:

Based on our results and performances along side other results, there’s no reason to be afraid of any team. 

But is there any reason to think we can actually beat anyone?

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2 minutes ago, wellgirl said:

It's not just us who are struggling to win - four other teams are in the same position 

That’s kind of what I mean about missed opportunities. We could and really should have put a fair bit of daylight between the likes of Rangers, Kilmarnock and Aberdeen yet we find ourselves more or less tied with them point wise. I would expect Rangers and Aberdeen to get stronger as the season goes on in fact they almost certainly will, Killie perhaps not so much but time will tell. We have blown wins now three games on the trot and as I said earlier the longer we go without getting a win the more of an issue it becomes. 
 

I genuinely wouldn’t be surprised if we are still seeking our first win come November.

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5 minutes ago, MJC said:

But is there any reason to think we can actually beat anyone?

Yes. Almost every single statistic in every game we have played so far.

The most important statistic, the final result, has not matched the in game stats but undefeated after 5 games with three away from home is still a reasonable return.

It has been widely recognised that we are playing some of the best football in the league. We outplayed the team sitting top of the league for 60 minutes on their patch.

There is plenty of reasons to think we can beat almost anybody in this league if you actually care to give the many positives some consideration. 

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