Dundee v Motherwell 13/09/2025

[wellfan]

1 minute ago, Richie said:

Osong looks comically bad from what I've seen.

With everyone injured and Stama, who couldn’t score in a barrel of fannies, all we’ve got is Osong, who looks completely powderpuff.

[Orinoco]

Better to be on a 5 draws than 5 losses run. We never hit the heights of the first half. A few running on empty towards the end and injuries hampering our options off the bench. AP and TJ should have scored with their missed chances. 

 

[MJC]

2 minutes ago, postiejim said:

When will we give a team a good going over. I’ve been hearing that since the Rangers game ?

Yes that and “on another day”

On another day we turn our 2nd half dominance against Rangers into a win

On another day we don’t bottle a 3-0 lead at Tynecastle to be left clinging on for a draw

On another day Ward doesn’t drop the ball to throw away two points against Killie

On another day we could have been two, three up against Dundee but only end up drawing.

I’m sorry but this “on another day” just isn’t happening for me. You can blame Ward all you like, but this team under this manager has yet to show that it is capable of winning football matches.

And let me be as clear as I possibly can here. I am not for one second suggesting that the manager should be sacked or that I think that he should be. Not at all. What I am saying though that I remain far from convinced with him and this team and until we finally record a win in 90 minutes or in next weeks case progress in the League Cup then that will remain the case.

[AllyMax]

Could be worse. We could be Aberdeen or Rangers.

It'll come. We're five weeks into a season with a complete change of players and style. 

We've outplayed everyone we've seen this season. It'll come good at the top end in time. 

Another good thing is we're five games undefeated, which is miles better than the five games without a win it would have been if Kettlewell was still in charge 😂

[Ya Bezzer!]

Not at the game today so won't comment on it but....

I think it will be interesting when we go into the 2nd round of matches.

Usually in the second round of matches teams are more familiar with the set up and go into matches to counteract the opposition tactics established earlier in the season. 

If we can't win matches in the first round of matches it might be even more of a struggle to get wins later in the season unless we change something up, which I don't think is Askou's way.

I've always said you look at things 11, 22, 33 matches into the season, that's when you review it so there is still a while for us to get wins but we really need to start winning matches.

3-0 up at Hearts, 2-1 up against Kilmarnock, 1-0 up against Dundee.  6 points dropped from not being able to hold a lead.  It's an issue if it continues.

 

[wellgirl]

7 minutes ago, MJC said:

Yes that and “on another day”

On another day we turn our 2nd half dominance against Rangers into a win

On another day we don’t bottle a 3-0 lead at Tynecastle to be left clinging on for a draw

On another day Ward doesn’t drop the ball to throw away two points against Killie

On another day we could have been two, three up against Dundee but only end up drawing.

I’m sorry but this “on another day” just isn’t happening for me. You can blame Ward all you like, but this team under this manager has yet to show that it is capable of winning football matches.

And let me be as clear as I possibly can here. I am not for one second suggesting that the manager should be sacked or that I think that he should be. Not at all. What I am saying though that I remain far from convinced with him and this team and until we finally record a win in 90 minutes or in next weeks case progress in the League Cup then that will remain the case.

That just shows how well we have been playing - that it could have been five wins in five. Jens isn't the problem in my view - it's the lack of a proven striker - but when I said a few months that we needed someone who could put 20 plus goals away a season I was reminded that that isn't the budget we operate in 

Hopefully when Hendry is back from injury he'll make a difference. Slattery too. McGhee too... All the injured players.... 

We miss a Spittal type player 

[Mccus28]

On the plus side, if we draw every game until the end of the season, we should hopefully be safe 🤣

[wellgirl]

4 minutes ago, Ya Bezzer! said:

Not at the game today so won't comment on it but....

I think it will be interesting when we go into the 2nd round of matches.

Usually in the second round of matches teams are more familiar with the set up and go into matches to counteract the opposition tactics established earlier in the season. 

If we can't win matches in the first round of matches it might be even more of a struggle to get wins later in the season unless we change something up, which I don't think is Askou's way.

I've always said you look at things 11, 22, 33 matches into the season, that's when you review it so there is still a while for us to get wins but we really need to start winning matches.

3-0 up at Hearts, 2-1 up against Kilmarnock, 1-0 up against Dundee.  6 points dropped from not being able to hold a lead.  It's an issue if it continues.

 

Don't think that's a new thing for us to be fair - not being able to hold a lead 

[MJC]

10 minutes ago, AllyMax said:

Could be worse. We could be Aberdeen or Rangers.

It'll come. We're five weeks into a season with a complete change of players and style. 

We've outplayed everyone we've seen this season. It'll come good at the top end in time. 

Another good thing is we're five games undefeated, which is miles better than the five games without a win it would have been if Kettlewell was still in charge 😂

That’s just a cop out answer.

What Aberdeen, Rangers or anyone else does or doesn’t do doesn’t concern us. 
 

The facts are that we have thrown away six points in our last three games from winning positions and we are now in mid September without a win in 90 minutes to our name since the season began proper. We now have Aberdeen away in the League Cup, then Aberdeen again at home in the League then Celtic away. Looking at that run of fixtures you have got to be honest and say that we will in all likelihood win none of them. (The home game against Aberdeen is probably our best chance imo but even then you wouldn’t count on it). If that turns out to be the case then we can only look back at our start to the season and the last three games in particular as a big, big set of missed opportunities to get points on the board. 
 

It’s still early days but this is shaping up to be a very frustrating season already.

[texanwellfan]

Based on our results and performances along side other results, there’s no reason to be afraid of any team. 

[wellgirl]

Just now, MJC said:

That’s just a cop out answer.

What Aberdeen, Rangers or anyone else does or doesn’t do doesn’t concern us. 
 

The facts are that we have thrown away six points in our last three games from winning positions and we are now in mid September without a win in 90 minutes to our name since the season began proper. We now have Aberdeen away in the League Cup, then Aberdeen again at home in the League then Celtic away. Looking at that run of fixtures you have got to be honest and say that we will in all likelihood win none of them. (The home game against Aberdeen is probably our best chance imo but even then you wouldn’t count on it). If that turns out to be the case then we can only look back at our start to the season and the last three games in particular as a big, big set of missed opportunities to get points on the board. 
 

It’s still early days but this is shaping up to be a very frustrating season already.

I'll disagree there and say it does concern us what our opponents do. Because you get to a point in the season where you look for your opponents to drop points. Also. I respect your frustration and point of view - but others don't need to call it as you see it 

[MJC]

1 minute ago, texanwellfan said:

Based on our results and performances along side other results, there’s no reason to be afraid of any team. 

But is there any reason to think we can actually beat anyone?

[wellgirl]

It's not just us who are struggling to win - four other teams are in the same position 

[texanwellfan]

53 minutes ago, wellfan said:

IT IS JT. FFS. 

Tawanda Jethro Maswanhise 

[wellgirl]

1 minute ago, texanwellfan said:

Tawanda Jethro Maswanhise 

I believe his fans from home call him JT but JT or TJ it's no biggie. Unless he's allergic to being called TJ

[MJC]

2 minutes ago, wellgirl said:

It's not just us who are struggling to win - four other teams are in the same position 

That’s kind of what I mean about missed opportunities. We could and really should have put a fair bit of daylight between the likes of Rangers, Kilmarnock and Aberdeen yet we find ourselves more or less tied with them point wise. I would expect Rangers and Aberdeen to get stronger as the season goes on in fact they almost certainly will, Killie perhaps not so much but time will tell. We have blown wins now three games on the trot and as I said earlier the longer we go without getting a win the more of an issue it becomes. 
 

I genuinely wouldn’t be surprised if we are still seeking our first win come November.

[star sail]

5 minutes ago, MJC said:

But is there any reason to think we can actually beat anyone?

Yes. Almost every single statistic in every game we have played so far.

The most important statistic, the final result, has not matched the in game stats but undefeated after 5 games with three away from home is still a reasonable return.

It has been widely recognised that we are playing some of the best football in the league. We outplayed the team sitting top of the league for 60 minutes on their patch.

There is plenty of reasons to think we can beat almost anybody in this league if you actually care to give the many positives some consideration. 

[robsterwood]

Looking at fixtures. First winnable game is 18th October at home to Falkirk. 

[wellgirl]

We are capable of winning against Aberdeen 

[Richie]

Aberdeen haven't scored a (League) goal this season.

Game certainly there to be won.

[mfc]

4 minutes ago, wellgirl said:

We are capable of winning against Aberdeen 

Exactly,more than capable of it.

[MFCL84]

12 minutes ago, MJC said:

I would expect Rangers and Aberdeen to get stronger as the season goes on in fact they almost certainly will, Killie perhaps not so much but time will tell.

Do you not expect Motherwell to get stronger as the season progresses too?

[MJC]

Just now, Richie said:

Aberdeen haven't scored a (League) goal this season.

Game certainly there to be won.

Aberdeen will knock us out of the Cup next week, you can bet your tank on it.

Most likely a draw in 90 minutes then an ET/pens defeat but we are not going up to Pittodrie and knocking them out of the League Cup.

If we are going to win any game in the near future then it will be the League game against them at Fir Park in a fortnights time, but at this point in time it’s hard to see us winning against anyone.

[wellgirl]

Just now, MJC said:

Aberdeen will knock us out of the Cup next week, you can bet your tank on it.

Most likely a draw in 90 minutes then an ET/pens defeat but we are not going up to Pittodrie and knocking them out of the League Cup.

If we are going to win any game in the near future then it will be the League game against them at Fir Park in a fortnights time, but at this point in time it’s hard to see us winning against anyone.

There is no reason why we can't win at Pittodrie. 

[MJC]

1 minute ago, MFCL84 said:

Do you not expect Motherwell to get stronger as the season progresses too?

Possibly, but at the same time it could go the other way as well and we get weaker as teams suss us out. 
 

As it stands we are playing some good possession football but with little to no end product and are poor defensively and always look likely to concede.