League Cup Semi Motherwell v St Mirren 1/11/2025

[Spiderpig]

14 hours ago, gaz7 said:

I always think it's an easy cop out saying hampden is a shit hole. Park head and ibrox are no better facility wise and are only better in their seating behind the goals. Murrayfield behind goals is as far away as hampden imo so saying it's not worthy of a final is harsh.

Yes I'd love a Wembley or millennium but the constant knocking of our national stadium is as I said harsh.

Where would you say is worthy of a final in Scotland 

If the money had been spent on Hampden for a proper upgrade, ie bringing  the west and east terraces closer to the pitch to improve the view then yes it would be worthy.

But as the SFA have been a shambles for years, too busy making sure their own interests and expense paid jaunts all over the world are sorted first nothing ever gets done.

So year after year thousands of fans are paying for a ticket at the front of the east or West stands to get a severely restricted view if at all of the game.

[Kmcalpin]

It all boils down to the fact that the original refurbishment of Hampden in the 1990s was a cheap and nasty sticking plaster job.  That said, finances were tight at the time (aren't they always?) but not nearly enough effort was put into fund raising. Ye reap what ye sow. 

[joewarkfanclub]

8 hours ago, Spiderpig said:

If the money had been spent on Hampden for a proper upgrade, ie bringing  the west and east terraces closer to the pitch to improve the view then yes it would be worthy.

But as the SFA have been a shambles for years, too busy making sure their own interests and expense paid jaunts all over the world are sorted first nothing ever gets done.

So year after year thousands of fans are paying for a ticket at the front of the east or West stands to get a severely restricted view if at all of the game.

There WAS supposedly a deal in place to properly upgrade Hampden years ago, but the bulldozers were pulled away from the door by Thatcher in 1979 after an underhand deal was allegedly done to try and promote Ibrox as the new venue for internationals and Cup Finals.

Just one of the many reasons she was booed roundly when she presented that years Scottish Cup.

The SFA get a hard time over this but they have done what was possible with the money that they had.

The FA didnt rebuild Wembley with their own money. Private enterprise did most of the work with significant input from the government and National Lottery.

Same deal with the Millenium.

If there is any blame to be apportioned at the SFA it would be in not being politically astute enough to play the game.

[Kmcalpin]

2 hours ago, joewarkfanclub said:

There WAS supposedly a deal in place to properly upgrade Hampden years ago, but the bulldozers were pulled away from the door by Thatcher in 1979 after an underhand deal was allegedly done to try and promote Ibrox as the new venue for internationals and Cup Finals.

Just one of the many reasons she was booed roundly when she presented that years Scottish Cup.

The SFA get a hard time over this but they have done what was possible with the money that they had.

The FA didnt rebuild Wembley with their own money. Private enterprise did most of the work with significant input from the government and National Lottery.

Same deal with the Millenium.

If there is any blame to be apportioned at the SFA it would be in not being politically astute enough to play the game.

Some merit in what you say Joe, but the SFA received many brickbats, deservedly, for not doing enough and leaving it to others. Many positive suggestions were given to them, but as always they knew best. 

[joewarkfanclub]

1 hour ago, Kmcalpin said:

Some merit in what you say Joe, but the SFA received many brickbats, deservedly, for not doing enough and leaving it to others. Many positive suggestions were given to them, but as always they knew best. 

They absolutely aren't faultless. Particularly when some former office holders may have had a vested interest in the Ibrox plan.

As usual, the murky world of politics never favours Scotland kindly.....

 

[FirParkCornerExile]

6 hours ago, joewarkfanclub said:

There WAS supposedly a deal in place to properly upgrade Hampden years ago, but the bulldozers were pulled away from the door by Thatcher in 1979 after an underhand deal was allegedly done to try and promote Ibrox as the new venue for internationals and Cup Finals.

Just one of the many reasons she was booed roundly when she presented that years Scottish Cup.

The SFA get a hard time over this but they have done what was possible with the money that they had.

The FA didnt rebuild Wembley with their own money. Private enterprise did most of the work with significant input from the government and National Lottery.

Same deal with the Millenium.

If there is any blame to be apportioned at the SFA it would be in not being politically astute enough to play the game.

100% correct , Rangers along with the Tories killed a full scale rebuild,  remember it like it was yesterday. Rangers lobbied the Tory Govt who just needed and excuse to back out as Rangers wanted Ibrox to be the home of Scotland games.

[wellfan]

6 hours ago, FirParkCornerExile said:

100% correct , Rangers along with the Tories killed a full scale rebuild,  remember it like it was yesterday. Rangers lobbied the Tory Govt who just needed and excuse to back out as Rangers wanted Ibrox to be the home of Scotland games.

Ironic, considering most Rangers fans don’t even support Scotland.

[FirParkCornerExile]

21 minutes ago, wellfan said:

Ironic, considering most Rangers fans don’t even support Scotland.

In those days it was a role reversal . In the mad confused world of the Old Firm bigotry many Celtic fans supported the Republic of Ireland over Scotland and you never saw the hatred some Rangers fans now have for Scotland.

[wellfan]

9 minutes ago, FirParkCornerExile said:

In those days it was a role reversal . In the mad confused world of the Old Firm bigotry many Celtic fans supported the Republic of Ireland over Scotland and you never saw the hatred some Rangers fans now have for Scotland.

The joys of West Central Scotland.