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It is quite incredible we still have a chance considering how utterly abysmal we've been most of the season

A truly abysmal first half. Really concerning the levels to which we fall. Second half was much better and we ran out worthy winners. Despite all my doom and gloom throughout the game at this stage in the season all that matters is the result. Pity our next game is Rangers, hopefully combination of result will keep us no worse than four points off 6th and we can have a real go at achieving the remarkable and get into top six. I don't think we will but three home games out of four to the split gives us a chance but we will need to do something that's been beyond us all season winning three games on the bounce.

The loss has fuck all to do with money spent on the ground, how many times does this need to be said. The ground improvement were paid from a £3 million 20 year interest free loan from the Scottish Govt. The money could only be spent on facilities. So at most the payments on the loan cost £150,000 the remaining £1,450,000 loss has fuck all to do with the ground and pitch improvements.

For me this is the season defining game. If we lose I seriously fancy us for the play off spot. If we win we have an outside chance of the top six. Perfect results would be us to beat Livi, St M to beat RC (sadly) hate they Paisley tinks, St Johnstone and Aberdeen to draw or a ST J win - would love Aberdeen dragged into it cos they are seriously pish.

Surely anyone with an open mind would say yes, hear whats on offer and then cast a future vote knowing if it's potentially as bad as you suspect.

The biggest issue is fans want guarantees and in life there are no guarantees. There is no guarantee that staying as a fan owned club we don't go tits up or become a mid ranking part time Championship Team, similarly there is no guarantee private investors will do anything other than plug short to medium term cash issues then fuck off and we are back where we are now or worse. However the clubs lawyers should ensure a certain level of safeguard should we go down the route of outside investors which may or may not materialise. When decision time comes it will be you pays your money you take your choice.

That's the kind of knee jerk response adds nothing. Any move from a fan owned model would need to come with certain assurance , checks and balances. No Motherwell fan is going to accept any recommendation where there isn't a clear line of sight on the security of the club / ground should any investor private or group move on. That will be down to the Club, the Society and the clubs lawyers. As I said before the devil is in the detail. Frankly at this moment in time I think many of us are getting to far ahead of ourselves. There is interest, that could come to fuck all. Look at St Johnstone their intended investors have been in discussion with the club for nearly a year.

St Mirren ain't a good example, they are on an upward curve right now. But Robinson is working on very thin margins and St Mirren lost £1.3 million two seasons ago. St Mirren are a couple of bad seasons / managers away from facing what we are now.

And Dundee have "died" twice and are heading for a European place and they average 1200 supporters more than us. That's all I'm getting at, some people assume armageddon at every turn when change is suggested and in reality across the footballing scene very few clubs have disappeared. I wasn't meaning you specifically were suggesting an apocalyptic outcome. For fan ownership to work we need some big hitters in our support who financially are happy to put large sums in without much return and that's unlikely. Even Hearts whose fan model has worked are under pinned by individuals who put £3/£4 million in a season.

you are right, of course clubs have died, but the number of clubs that don't actually survive in some shape or form is minimal. I'm not suggesting we act recklessly but some of the hysteria about not having a majority share holding is frankly off the scale. We operated for over 100 years not being fan owned and not being fan owned does not mean we will automatically go bust or every owning group will be out to screw us over. Like all things in life the devil is in the detail. Indeed being fan owned does not mean we will never go bust or go into administration either. Im in the "lets see the facts, the checks / balances / assurances and vision" before I decide Yes or No.

Exactly why dismiss out of hand without knowing the full details.

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No it isn't but how anyone could compare that European shite to sticking it to the OF especially in a game that hurts them is beyond me. For me there hasn't been a single European game / result that compares to sticking it to the OF.at any time.

I care. I find it utterly depressing that nearly every other club in the league has a better record against the OF than us. That's where we differ. I couldn't care less if Motherwell ever qualified for Europe ever again. Other than a junket and piss up they are an utter waste of time. If we don't utterly embarrass Scottish football (Flamaturi, MyPa47, Stjarnan and Sligo Rovers) we invariably play utter shite and are out before it even starts.

I think it's fair, however take your point , Ross County haven't taken 3 points off Rangers in 21 attempts we havent taken 3 points off them in 56 attempts, ours is worse.

Do you know if I was a young man id say no too. However I'm at a stage in my life where there's less ahead than there is behind and I'd fed up with the struggle just keeping our heads above water. The possibility of a few seasons before I croak it where where had genuine excitement and even the slightest possibility of I cup I think I'd go for it. Selfish ? Yeah, but after putting money in for 46 years I'm fed up with the piss poor level of expectation. Before anyone starts listing what we've done I'm well aware of it I've been at them all. Other than a last minute winner to get top six in the most turgid football you could ever imagine the trend looks like being one way. It might not be but the odds are it probably is, so yeah I'd go for a stab at being bought over. I know there's risks but there are risks being fan owned too. There are no guarantees in life.

To answer a few, I'm not asking if it's feasible, I'm asking if the offer was there for substantial investment but a condition was fan ownership being given up how many of you would say yes.

Our record against Rangers is worse than Ross County's. We've played Rangers a total of 278 times , RC have played them a total of 21 times. We haven't taken 3 points off Rangers in the league in 21 years, that's 56 games, that's nearly treble the amount of chances RC have had in their winless 21 games against Rangers.

In reality we aren't going to get major investment without ownership. Playing devil's advocate here. So if we stuck to the fan based model and couldn't retain our SPFL status cos we couldn't compete with clubs who have ownership investment would you change that view ?

I see it's being reported St Johnstone are in the final stages of a take over by an American businessman. Im just curious if Motherwell were subject to decent investment take over but it required the cessation of fan ownership how many of you would go for it?

Every player we ever have will have faults , it's the consistency with which they display those faults that determine whether they are any good for us and for me Mugabi makes too many basic errors. He's not alone we have quite a few we should be looking to move on.

Mugabi , should be one of a few shown the door in the summer. He's had tons chances to improve and he makes the same basic error now he did three years ago.

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Now that my annoyance has subsided , it's just as well we didn't play that game when it was originally scheduled as we'd deffo been pumped. We'd have take a point before the game kicked off. However I don't take away the criticism of the abysmal collapse. That Aberdeen team are poor so we should have been able to see that game out. Dreadful, not for the first time game management. Just reinforces that this squad for the umpteenth time doesn't have what it takes. Yeah periodically they can do it but consistently they have the same basic failings. Thankfully most of them are out of contract in the summer. A big clear out is required and frankly I don't accept the "who will we get that's better arguement" that's what the managers paid for. That's his job.

There's certainly mileage in that arguement.