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Good update from Kyrk Macmillan.
If I had free reign and limitless money to upgrade Fir Park, I'd fill in the corners , remove the top tier of that South Stand Monstrosity, New Main Stand and new roof on the East Stand. The filled corners could compensate for the loss of the top tier of the South Stand
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11 hours ago, Jonesy said:
That would be a start but doesn't solve how anyone is getting there when there's no bus and the train stations are at least 30-40 minutes walk away.
What about if all these other pubs start closing because they lose out on all the passing trade instead now stuck in the middle of nowhere, half way to Cleland, every other week?
There's much more to ripping a club out of its community than just making sure we have a decent pub incorporated and some office blocks to rent 365 days a year.
Motherwell are a business, its not their responsibility to ensure local pubs remain profitable and stay open. Motherwell need to look after their own finances. I take the point on transport.
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2 hours ago, Jonesy said:
The only bit of land worth moving to Ravenscraig for is right behind the college, where the new railway bridge is and where Airbles Road is about to be extended through. That way everyone's pre/post match routines pretty much stay the same. You're more or less the same walk from the local pubs to there than you currently are to Fir Park. Anything other than that and you're talking a minimum 20 minute walk from a pub and at least 30 minutes from the train stations (probably minimum 40 minutes), with no transport links cutting through at all currently.
I had this conversation with a recently departed Society board member and his answer was "drive or get the bus", but if people are in the habit of walking to Fir Park or getting a pint before/after the game they're not all of a sudden en masse going to start driving every week and the only bus currently is a mini bus to the sport centre once an hour. Unless the club was to provide it for free at the time, but even then...
There's also the strong chance of missing out on that ideal bit of land and ending up in Carfin or closer to Cleland rather than Motherwell.
Not for me.
We should be incorporating better bars into any new stadium so folk don't need to walk from a pub and not putting that valuable money into the club. Anything has got to be better than the piss poor Cooper Bar that currently operates a one in one out policy if you don't arrive 2 hours before kick off.
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Just looked at the Dundee ticket sales for the away end, it's looking good, think this will be an impressive away support.
For anyone who hasn't been in a while beware the peaking restrictions.
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17 minutes ago, dennyc said:
I was pleasantly surprised. I kind of expected a heartless, concrete ground but not so. Still areas for improvement but a better experience than at other comparable new builds. Finance clearly defines what we could achieve but it will be interesting to learn how much a proper refitting of Fir Park would cost in comparison to a new build. Especially if the Local Authority was able to provide the land at no cost to MFC. Folk living in the area will know far better than me whether there is council land lying vacant which could be utilised. MFC are an asset the Authority should be proud of and willing to support.
I do understand that many fans have a sentimental outlook where Fir Park and our history is concerned. I respect that view. But that approach by previous Boards has contributed to the situation we now find ourselves in. And to the increased cost of now finding a sustainable solution.
I agree Fir Park is a money pit and anything that lessens the money we have to pay for ground maintenance is welcome , as is the chance to have very good corporate facilities and avenues for raising more money 7 days a week, something for which Fir Park seems limited.
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10 hours ago, dennyc said:
I went to the Falkirk Dundee Utd game and was impressed with what I saw in the main stand. An excellent view, spacious seats, well under cover and catering facilities that put Fir Park to shame. Think a smaller version of the Hampden set up but still with several kiosks and a Club shop. Easily accessible and no lengthy queues blocking off toilet access. Talking of which, numerous toilets, wide corridors and staircases. So no crushing at full time despite a full house.
Hospitality on an upper tier but not infringing on us peasants. Stacks of pre bookable car parking for home and away fans. A good income generator I imagine. Did take a wee while to exit the car park though but nowhere near as frustrating as at Perth.
Cannot comment on what the away stand offers fans as I was on holiday when we last played there.As a POD season ticket holder, the set up I saw at Falkirk was far superior to the facilities on offer at Fir Park. Both the POD and Hunter Stands need a massive upgrade and whether that is possible given space limitations and likely disruption I have my doubts. If it can be done, fair enough. Let’s see what the study reveals.
Where Falkirk do fall down is in having stands on three sides only which does feel weird. Even worse than Accies in my opinion. Why they have no stand on one side I have no idea. But other than that I would happily move to such a Stadium. As you suggest, the quality of any new facility would have to be up to scratch but done correctly it would be fine. A site where neighbouring housing did not impact the construction of the stands would be a huge leap forward.
of the new builds , for smaller clubs in Scotland, Falkirks is probably the best but with the obvious down side of only three stands and open corners but the viewing positions are excellent.
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1 hour ago, weeyin said:
It's not about the location, although transport etc. is important. It's about the quality of the new facilities.
Do we want what Falkirk, St Mirren or St Johnstone have? Even that would be a stretch financially, but I find it pretty uninspiring - probably the opposite of a Luddite, as I'd want something more modern, hi-tech and sustainable.
Id take Falkirk's Stadium , obviously with 4 stands and the corners filled in. You would get a great atmosphere in such a ground but the costs would likely be prohibitive. Falkirk's feasibility study for a 4th stand similar to the other stands revealed cost in the region of £6 million, so a full stadium you are easily looking at £20/£25 million and we just cant finance that, sadly.... or could we? the sale of Fir Park for housing would realise no more than £3 million at current commercial valuations. We'd really need to get the £20/£25 million down to the region of £10/£15 million to make commercial financing over 30 years potentially viable, but the Revenue streams would need to increase to pay the near £1 million a year financing costs.
Had we built a new ground 25 years ago the cost would probably have been in the region of £8/£10 million , expensive for the time but the great thing about inflation is the initial cost becomes smaller relative to income going forward. So perhaps £25 million now wouldn't look so bad in 15 years when a bog standard player will be selling for £3 million. Speculate to accumulate can be a real success but can also be a real disaster.
New builds Id hate, from Scotland - nearly all of them - but particular hate for
St Mirren Park
McDiarmid Park
New Douglas Park
New Ones I could live with
Doncaster Keepmoat Stadium
Falkirk Stadium with filled in Corners - and 4 stands
Rotheram United - New York Stadium
Mind you all pie in the sky for the time being.
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A new roof on the East Stand and rebuild of the Main Stain should be within financial limitations of the club.
Last I read somewhere upgrading the Main Stand would be circa £2million a complete rebuild £5 million. Ayr Utd built a new stand with excellent corporate suites / Function Suite for £3 Million. However only 800 seats. Unless substantial outside investment is available a new ground would be very difficult to realise.
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Just now, grizzlyg said:
No chance of dons doing us a favour Wednesday night then
Aberdeen couldnae beat a carpet they are brutal. Only chance they have against Celtic is if Celtic have a man sent off.
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3 hours ago, Ya Bezzer! said:
Since we will be in different groups after the split, Dundee United didn't score a goal against us this season.
I read a remarkable stat which I still find hard to believe. Dundee Utd have only won twice at Fir Park in 11 years. Can't be right??
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16 hours ago, mfc88 said:
Maybe i've got my claret and amber specs on, but having seen it on sportscene it was pretty clear cut, no?
A bit of tit for tat grappling and shirt pulling by both of them then after the moments passed sevelj gives a cheap shot elbow. Completely stupid.
Ricky Foster suggested JTs made the most of it, but he's every right to IMO.
Everyone asking why Maswanhise is holding his bawz, what the clarity of the pictures don't show is where the defenders hand ended up once the elbow was put into Maswanhise ribs its quite possible his hand did catch his nuts. It was a penalty United are just in full deflection mode.
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5 minutes ago, purestate said:
Ward’s performance was a bit odd. Presumably the multiple long balls in first half was on instruction but his distribution started getting very sloppy towards end. I suppose the good thing is that we lost goals early in the season from these types of lapses but defended the resulting loss of possession better today.
Dundee Utd were man marking so were making it harder to play out from the back so he had to go long more often that would be usual.
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A comfortable win without reaching the heights we are capable of. The atmosphere was a bit flat because we didn't get into our usual stride but no major concerns. Its 3 points, we move onto Dundee. Good to see Hibs dropping 2 points.
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53 minutes ago, Richie said:
Going by statdium map, could be quite a healthy home crowd today.
Had a quick look 10 mins ago. If the Map is accurate and if my Windows scanner / calculator is correct we have seats left in
John Hunter Stand 144
Cooper Stand 183
Main Stand 335
3 x Home Stands Capacity 9242
Which means the home support will be 8580 , if its accurate that's an incredible home support.
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On 2/26/2026 at 9:03 AM, Spiderpig said:
We have 11 games to play, 33 points all of them massive games, win them all and who knows where we will end up. We have missed two big opportunities for sucess so far this season, so lets hope we can be the best we can be in the run in and maybe it will be 3rd time lucky for the biggest prize of all, coyw.
There's no doubt in my mind if we won all 11 we would be Champions, however the chances of us winning all 11 games on the trot are almost impossible.
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Think this could be a harder game than most expect. However if both teams play to their normal a home win should happen.
Just looked at ticket map and I think we could hit 7500 home fan which would be a great turn out.
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13 minutes ago, dennyc said:
I think their is some truth in those comments but generally it will come down to whether they are earning enough in the first place to make any potential increase less critical or life changing.
I doubt the wages on offer at Motherwell to players and staff provide the financial security that would enable anyone to refuse a huge uplift.
Hastie is the classic example. I wonder where he would be financially if he had stayed put? Maybe still at Airdrie having been released by us and needing a second job to make ends meet. As mentioned above, he made the right, safer choice.
Like every one on here I hope Askou and our top players and coaches are here next season. But I am realistic enough to understand they will look to move on if/when the right offer comes along. It would only take one poor season for their value....and those job offers... to return to previous levels. Let's enjoy what we have when we have it and pray that any replacements continue the amazing progress that has been seen this season.
Correct and certainly a European game or two would not be a huge influence on decisions anyone on our books has to make if a big offer and big club comes in.
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26 minutes ago, Kmcalpin said:
Very true. Not everyone is driven solely by money.
The vast majority are cos very few of us have the luxury of finance not being the major factor in our decisions.
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34 minutes ago, weeyin said:
Maybe.
Maybe Jake Hastie got over it with his big wage bump for his Rangers contract.
Maybe Reece McAlear got over it with his big wage bump for his Norwich contract.
Maybe Stuart McKinstry got over it with his big wage bump for his Leed Utd contract
You think Stuart McCall enjoyed managing Rangers as much as he enjoyed managing us?
If someone is in it for the money, more power to them. I think, however, there is something to be said for enjoying your job, even (or especially) when that job is playing a game.
Oh there nowt better than loving your job but very few of us would let that stop us increasing our take home 20 fold.
I'm sure Stuart McCall enjoyed his time with us more but the contract Rangers have him will have soothed his concerns. Slight difference for guys who are already very wealthy, they have the luxury of being picky. Anyone on our books is not extremely wealthy therefore are extremely unlikely to stay for the love of it or a European game.
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4 hours ago, weeyin said:
I was talking more about a team where everything just gels, players loving playing, fans are loving watching and everybody is having a blast.
It's a rare situation, and one they should savour.
Of course they will want to get more money and status etc. but enjoying games and winning can be quite enjoyable too. Can you imagine what a slog it it would have been for JT if Blackburn had quadrupled his wages and he went to play in a team struggling for points?
Don't underestimate European football though. Just because a few fans are jaded and would rather play Clyde at NDP at the start of the season, I guarantee plenty of players would enjoy it - and fancy their chances of making it to the group stages.
Much like SOD, who despite having international caps, and played in the Euros, would still love to play for us at Hampden in the cup.
It's a slog I'm sure JT and his family would get over very quickly if he's getting 20 grand a week on a 3 year contract.
Nobody says players and managers wouldnt enjoy European football but if you are offered life changing sums of money European football wouldn't matter a fuck for 99% of guys who have a chance to secure their family's lives.
Think about your own job if you are offered 10 times your Annual salary are you gonna say no cos you like the team you work with. It's their job and of most are sensible enough they see that.
Look at Tony Watt, the number of Motherwell fans who said he should have stayed with us as he could possibly got a Scotland call up. Bet he's glad he ignored that chance and signed a three year contract worth £750,000. Same with Jake Hastie we heard all the stuff about he should have stayed with us where he was guarenteed first team football and develop. He took the £750,000 contract from Rangers and should be made for life despite his career going nowhere. He made the right choice.
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4 minutes ago, bobbybingo said:
Typo, I expect, but we have one.
Its been that long I forgot ...🤪
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3 minutes ago, Spiderpig said:
So you be happy with a season of eye bleeding shit fest football, in a relegation dogfight, with below average players and coaching staff, to get 3 or 4 good draws against some diddy teams and get lucky in a final. Yes we win a trophy but we are still left with the shit football and relegation fights for the 10 or 20 seasons after that till our next lucky season comes round...aye ok then.
Improving the club and team etc year on year is the way forward then we have more chances to win trophies and as a bonus we dont have to watch the shite we have been used to in recent seasons.
Yeah I would . Playing shite football isn't forever as we are witnessing but a trophy win is and if anyone doesn't think we will play shite football again one day is delusional.
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14 hours ago, thewelllfan said:
A all day long. When we look back on this season we'll be like that was some team but it should have won something Cite McCall teams when we were 2nd and 3rd in the league. When you measure a clubs success you base it on trophies. Option B as enjoyable as it is right now is not going to become our new normal we'll end up needing a full rebuild as the majority of our better players will move on (albeit for hefty fees this time round). The recruitment in the summer was superb you'd argue every player we signed has made a positive contribution to our season. That realistically is not going to be the case every year as we know very well. While St Mirren might be in a bit of a mess they'll have a day they can enjoy for the rest of their lives, the guys that won them that cup as poor as they may be at the moment become club legends and Robinson will probably go down as their best ever manager. As long as they finish in the play off they'll be in the league next season as the system favors the premiership side.
its incredible how shite St Mirren have been over the last 45 years yet they have 3 Trophies in that time and we have **one. ALWAYS a huge source of annoyance to me so its Option A for me.
**correction
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16 hours ago, weeyin said:
I think Jens and most of the players have been in the game long enough to know it's rare for everything to fall into place like this, and to make the most of it.
If we do get a decent league finish and a crack at Europe, that might be enough to persuade him to stay at least another 6 months, and keep some of our key players.
If not, then we find JBA v2.0 and continue the project. He keeps talking about laying the foundations for years to come, so it sounds like the Board has a plan with or without Jens.
The attraction of European Football is overrated as a motivating factor for people to stay. In football its money and status. If a big club comes in for any of our players and manager 99% certain they will go.
Football fans seem to have some misty eyed notions and forget that Football is THEIR JOB and like all of us we move for the best remuneration and security for our families. European Football is a minor shiny bauble in the whole scheme of things and one that invariably results in two games out on your arse. What person in their right mind would knock back the financial security of a life time in "the hope" of maybe four European games instead of two.
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For me Its an eyesore and completely out of sync with the rest of the ground. Same as Pittodrie's beach end. If we are going to develop the ground lets make it look like a decent venue.