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13 minutes ago, wellfan said:
The fact is that performances have declined the more time the manager has had to implement his ideas. We saw that with the 10-day break between the Rangers and Aberdeen games, so the concern is that this slide continues over the next three-week break. In other words, he takes the team even further away from where they were last season, which is exactly what he says he isn’t doing. The evidence to date, however, suggests otherwise.
and that is fine and that is your opinion based on how you see it. I don't agree 100% . I don't the the manager is taking us further away each week. We played well at Easter Road against a poor Hibs Team and strolled the game against Dundee Utd because they had 10 men . I think our performances have been much of a muchness.
I just don't think we are as good as last season and we wont be because we've lost better players than we've recruited. I don't subscribe to the notion we've been garbage and getting worse. I think we are inconsistent during games but the one consistent thing is we have is fuck all threat up front and the manager is not being more adventurous in his team selections and we've lost two game by literally putting the ball in the net for the opposition.
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1 minute ago, stv said:
Maybe wind affected both half's yesterday . Sparrow was guilty of passing backwards from a forward position more than anyone in the second half. Thor should get a proper run out he rumbles up defences in the box and can hold up play should long ball be required. A windy day playing with the wind , as the second half yesterday, should have been perfect for him. Also maybe the team will be moving forward faster more once Preistman is back.
Couldn't agree more.
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7 minutes ago, wellfan said:
But it’s not panic, is it? And the forum would be pretty dull without a bit of fan speculation.
I could happily live without pointless speculation when things are going against us because pointless speculation becomes corrosive rumour that gets built into something based on absolutely nothing. There is plenty from the facts we can all discuss.
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26 minutes ago, wellsince75 said:
Last 8 games
won 1
drew 1
lost 6
conceded 17
scored 6
some of those games were tough eg Europe , Ibrox
Points aren’t brilliant on those games .
performances also mixed bag .
Think the majority are aligned that performances need to pick up . Some players need swapping in and out .
No point looking at European games they will never mean bugger all because we will either play team below our level or way above. The only stats that count are
1 x LC = Lost (shocking and frankly should never have been allowed to happen and 100% on managers shoulders )
7 x League = Won 2 , Drawn 2 , Lost 3 ... = 8 points
but for 2 absolute gifts from the goalkeeper, which no manager would have prevented it would be
7 x League = Won 2 , Drawn 4, Lost 1 ...
To read and listen to some of the stuff you'd think we've been outplayed every game we've played.
7 Games last season read
7 x League = Won 1 , Drawn 5 , Lost 1 = 8 Points
(and just to calm things down before the onslaught in two weeks time we lost at home to Falkirk in the 8th game) 😁🤣
Performance are not as good as last season and they wont be cos we've lost too many really good players. If you are going to judge us by that benchmark you are permanently going to be disappointed.
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4 minutes ago, wellfan said:
There’s a huge difference between panic and fair criticism, and what we’re seeing on the forum at the moment is clearly the latter.
I disagree asking questions if the manager has lost the dressing room or do players not respect him cos he's never played the game after 7 games is crazy, that is not fair criticisms, that's pure and utter baseless speculation.
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23 minutes ago, Kmcalpin said:
We've spent a fair wedge on players over the summer and AJ has had our largest war chest ever. Its not unreasonable to expect some return on that. I get though that new players take time to settle.
Yes but has he used the squad to its full extent? He has a squad that he can mix up a bit and needs to start doing it. I do think we have persevered with Maswanhise to protect his saleability for January but he is nowhere near good enough to keep being an automatic first choice , same for RCC (although he is now rightly on the bench) . He needs to try some different picks / formations cos 2 or 3 others either cant do what we need or just ain't up to speed with it yet.
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As some of you may know I'm one of the biggest pessimists on the planet when it comes to Motherwell.
I've had 55 years of primarily bone crushing disappoint and yes there are some issues. However all but for two absolutely honking goalkeeping errors, which no manager can legislate for , not even Pep Guardiola , we'd have had a point at Ibrox and Dundee.
So as much as our form has dipped Id argue had we got a point from both those games, which goalkeeping howlers apart, we'd have got and were sitting 4th on 10 points everyone would be a lot calmer. We are in danger of over analyzing everything and seeing or creating stories that have ZERO basis of fact.
For fuck sake everyone take a deep breath and calm down. Having watched us for 55 years I know when to start panicking and 7 games in isn't it.
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9 minutes ago, mio said:
It’s a shame we don’t have Celtic next week, they look worse than us.
i have a feeling that every single team in this league will go weeks playing poorly and losing. General standard is pretty poor. It’s going to be a bit of a lottery season I think.
I still stand by that I don't think our standard is particularly poor in large parts of then game, however it comes to fuck all because
1. We have fuck all up front. Maswanhise is a waste of a Jersey right now and RCC aint much better.
2. We play the press far too slowly allowing teams to counter our movement
3. The engine in the midfield is under powered so far , we need Priestman back or those in position to up their standard and pace of play.
4. We are gifting some comical goals right now, not through anything other than our own bad judgement.
These 4 issues do not require a full fundemental reset, which Id be more worried about.
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8 minutes ago, stv said:
European results - played well opposition played a style that suited us and our style made us look good . Passing thru the middle.
Scottish results - played neat stuff at the start. Then from the Falkirk game on the opposition tactics to stiffled our style , man mark and let us pass it about in our half never giving us space at all. Then take the chance we present to them . Is what the opposition are doing .
He needs a plan for the Scottish game. Hopefully learns from his mistakes, Hammel never did .
Still think we have good mix of players to play some decent stuff. In the right system once we settle down.
Teams can stifle us because we are too slow to move the ball forward. Look at the difference between the first and second half yesterday. Second half we played with more pace , still not pacy as last year but better than the first half. The improved pace in the second half got us into good positions whereas in the first half being slow and pedestrian allowed Dundee to settle and stifle us. Hodge , for me, slows the game down too often and wants a second touch and is often unaware of options around him. However all that said our efforts in the final third were utter shite until we got Ethyor on.
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1 minute ago, grizzlyg said:
Poor Alfred got pressure on him now as if he can't beat that sellik team in 3 weeks then that peg is mega shoogily! 🤣🤣🤣
Just sent a txt to my mate saying the same. Celtic are pish but sadly we are facing them at the wrong time....
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Had the keeper not basically thrown the ball into the net for Dundee's second the worst we were getting yesterday was a point against a team everyone has been saying are excellent.
Sure there were issues with our set up and team selection but the only way a good Dundee team were beating us was if we shot ourselves in the foot and we duly obliged. Said it yesterday I don't think we were as bad as everyone was making out. We should have had a penalty and dare I say had we waltzed away with a draw the reaction would be more muted. I'm as frustrated as everyone but we have a squad that should allow refresh changes , particularly up front , the manager needs to start doing it.
Dundee got lucky, we won the game for them. We made them look very ordinary whilst not playing anything like we have in the past. Right now I don't think we are a million miles away from better outcomes. Will we be as good as last season? definitely not we don't have the players for that yet.
We are a good way away from thinking about the managers position. Christ everyone and their granny had Steven Pressley for the high jump for most of last season.
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1 minute ago, texanwellfan said:
Hodge gets a lot of the ball but not much output for the amount of possession he gets. I think hodge is a good player to have but more about seeing games out when we are ahead. I’m hoping Oscar is back in the team beside Fadinger soon.
I’d like to see JKL in for JGR and Johnny K or SOD at right back. Earlier in the season we were shooting and crossing a lot. I’d like to see us get back to that but with PH or Thor in the middle.Likewise , as you show we have options especially in the final 3rd its time to try them. Keep playing Maswanhise to try and keep his value up is killing us.
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6 minutes ago, wellfan said:
Garbage. The manager doesn’t know what he’s doing.
You might be right you may be wrong.... only time will tell , so would advocate sacking him now ?
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4 minutes ago, wunderwell said:
Nice one, enjoy. All about opinions.
I don't mind being wrong in the long term, in fact I would take great satisfaction in it.We all want to see the same thing and being proved wrong about Motherwell is very often a real bonus.
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1 minute ago, wunderwell said:
Herein lies my feelings thus far. I don't see that he has the rocket up the arse mentality.
Cuddly managers like Klopp, Guardiola and to a degree Askou, have plenty of bite under the surface.
O'Neill, McInnes have some quite aggressive attitudes.
We've got a Gray/Goodwin....and that will inevitably fail imo.who knows don't know enough about him to know what kind of character he is behind the scenes. However time will tell and if he is as you suggest he wont be long in being found out. However we are a good distance away from that judgement call right now. Anyway away to watch our old manager see if the pressure is still building on him in his game tonight.
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6 minutes ago, wellsince75 said:
Lots of good points here , agree with the majority - my frustration is the manager is the guy who could make the 7 changes you’ve outlined and hasn’t .
if we can all see the issues , which we can re the players mentioned then so should the gaffer and make changes
I found today a hard watch , I can’t remember worrying their keeper
I agree there were a number of negatives but it wasn't as bad as some are making out, well in my mind anyway. We made two mistakes and got punished. The final 3rd I totally agree we were very very ineffective today, but time has to be called on Maswanhise and RCC , suitable for the subs bench only.
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1 minute ago, wellsince75 said:
Lots of good points here , agree with the majority - my frustration is the manager is the guy who could make the 7 changes you’ve outlined and hasn’t .
if we can all see the issues , which we can re the players mentioned then so should the gaffer and make changes
I found today a hard watch , I can’t remember worrying their keeper
I get the impression he's been trying not upset the apple cart from JBA team, for those that are still with us and frankly we don't have the same players to play it exactly the same. I think he now has to step up and be his own man and put a rocket up the arse of some who look to be coasting.
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2 minutes ago, wunderwell said:
Why can't you predict anything negative? I've no need to have a long hard look at myself.
I've not seen anyone who wants the manager removed at this juncture and nor should we be even entertaining this.
However, my prediction is that he won't cut it, for a number of factors I have seen so far.
We need to give him some time to figure out if my gut feeling comes correct.
I suggest you read twitter to see some saying the manager should be binned.
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Now that Ive had the drive back from Dundee to calm down I'm probably going to be in a minority of one. I didn't think it was bad as the hysteria being spouted online suggests and those saying the managers a dud and needs removed are needing a long hard look at themselves.
We played better football today than we did against Aberdeen, particularly in the second half where we upped the pace of the press. First half the build up was slow and predictable and there is no hiding the fact we have fuck all up front with Maswanhise.
The important points as I saw it. We beat ourselves, it was all self inflicted I.d be more worried if Dundee were a better team than us. This was a Dundee team getting plaudits from everywhere at how good they were and had we not shot ourselves in the foot they were never beating us today..
1. We gifted Dundee two goals, they didn't have to work hard for them.
2. Maswanhise should now be benched, he's not even nuisance value.
3. SOD needs brought back into the team. He can deliver decent balls into the area and with Eythor Bjørgolfsson in the forward line we have someone who could take advantage and unsettle the opposition. Maswanhise couldn't unsettle me..
4 Sparrow was far too content to turn back and play the safe easy ball and creating fuck all.
5. Hodge ain't doing it for me as yet, we badly need Preistman back.
6. Jake Girdwood- Reich is slower than a week in the jail and again nearly cost us .His style of play actually encourages the slow pedestrian build up. When the ball is played out to him he never does anything at pace its slow and pedestrian and it allows our opponents to set up in positions to stifle us.
7. Its time for Eythor Bjørgolfsson to start . He did more to unsettle Dundees defence in 8 minutes than Maswanhise or RCC have done in 8 games.
8. Manager is being too predictable and loyal in his team selection. We have a big squad and we have different options the manager now needs to use them.
I actually don't think we are too far away we just need the manager to make the necessary sacrifices among some of his automatic picks and for the players to learn that they don't need to take 4 or 5 touches in the box. If he sticks with his predictable first team picks we are going to see more of the same.
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24 minutes ago, andalg said:
My take is that the starting line up was wrong with three players up front who all play in a similar style, wanting the ball too feet and trying to lay it off. Unfortunately there was no one to lay it off to. In my opinion the three of them should never start together again. If we had three different styles up front it would give more options and problems for defenses. Said, Palmer-Houlden & Maswanhise for example. We have the players at the moment but not necessarily in the right places
For me the jury is still out whether "we have the players" other than Lowry I've not see the levels of consistency from the rest to categorically agree with that statement. Before the happy clappers get their knickers in an uproar I'm NOT saying we haven't I just need to see more before I can make that call.
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I'm over it now, its history, no amount of racking over it changes anything. Based on what I've seen so far this season I'm 50/50 whether the we have what it takes to finish top 6. That can of course change in a heartbeat to being totally pish or excellent, time will tell. I'd like to think having invested more money in the squad than we've done for 25 years that its the latter. Two out of next three at home and a tough run of three games to come but we need something to steady the ship after 3 games where we've basically been effective for 25 minutes out of 270.
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6 minutes ago, wellfan said:
Utterly horrendous tonight. No press. No urgency. No second balls. No idea. And that’s entirely on the manager. Lose against Dundee and it’s the beginning of the end.
Long way short of the "beginning of the end" even if we lose. Certainly will go a long way to denting confidence and that makes the games against Celtic and Hearts a bit more difficult. That said if we win (which I dont think we will) it puts the feel good factor back on the boil for two big home games.
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Just now, joewarkfanclub said:
Not sure what part of my post you are diagreeing with?
Im not disagreeing with you, I'm agreeing that stats can be very misleading.
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Just now, Ya Bezzer! said:
It's to do with people over reacting to a single defeat.
It's one match that got away from us.
Who is over reacting?? people are commenting on where we are now. No one is saying we are relegation material , no one is saying we will not make top 6.
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Our Next Win.
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I get that 100% mate , last year was probably once in a lifetime stuff for us and it will be hard for everyone to adjust to what will be or new norm ... sadly