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1 hour ago, wellfan said:
I've just got the email and am surprised by both the poor turnout and the result. I thought more would be in favour of the ‘I would not’ option.
Crude assessment:
I suppose the poor turnout could be due to the membership having 1600 silent (non-paying monthly) and 700 junior members. The 1500 paying monthly is 39% of 3800 total, so the turnout figure doesn't seem too bad in that context.
If the turnout is comprised mainly of the 1500 active monthly paying members, who we could assume are the most engaged with the WS and Club, it could mean that most of those members are indeed in favour of the ‘I would’ option.
There will of course be a myriad of other ways to analyse the result.
There's no point trying to spin it with conjecture and assumption. It's a disgraceful response , every real Motherwell fan alive would or should have known that vote was taking place and if they didn't get an invite to vote they should have contacted the Well Society. That's what I did and it took two mins with a response within an hour.
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1 hour ago, wellfan said:
I've just got the email and am surprised by both the poor turnout and the result. I thought more would be in favour of the ‘I would not’ option.
Crude assessment:
I suppose the poor turnout could be due to the membership having 1600 silent (non-paying monthly) and 700 junior members. The 1500 paying monthly is 39% of 3800 total, so the turnout figure doesn't seem too bad in that context.
If the turnout is comprised mainly of the 1500 active monthly paying members, who we could assume are the most engaged with the WS and Club, it could mean that most of those members are indeed in favour of the ‘I would’ option.
There will of course be a myriad of other ways to analyse the result.
The turnout is an absolute disgrace.
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1 hour ago, Dee said:
993* Well Society members (a 36% turnout) responded to the poll:
351 votes were cast for the option: I would not consider voting in support of any proposal which would see the Well Society losing its majority shareholding.
642 votes were cast for the option: I would consider voting in support of any investment proposal which would see the Well Society losing its majority shareholding.Interesting results, in all honesty I was expecting a lot more to be in favour of the "I would" option. 36% of the membership saying No before they have sight of the options on the table is very telling.
For me the most disappointing aspect is the extremely low turnout on what I'd stress is an important issue.
The most telling stat of all is a 36% reply rate so 74% of society members couldn't be arsed to vote. That tells you all you need to know. Aject apathy from the very people invested in the club and we seriously hope to build a club that can expand and progress with that kind of interest.
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7 hours ago, robsterwood said:
We need to show more ambition and give him improved terms and that may mean independent investment.
I'm sure we will but if Aberdeen , Hibs , Hearts or clubs of that statue want him we cannot compete on wages.
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7 hours ago, Mad Dog said:
He may actually want to stay. He's settled, happy, just had a kid, so the improved terms that will be on offer might be enough for him.
Nae offence mate but he'young man with a young family if someone offers to to double/ tremble his wages he won't gives two fucks if he's settled. Why do football fans have these misty eyed notions of what players are in the game for.
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11 hours ago, TheoBair14 said:
Blair Spittal now on 11 goals this season. We need to get him on a new contract for next season if we can.
Someone please explain to me how anyone sees him staying with us. His form will have attracted a few clubs especially with him being out of contract. So unless these clubs are Scottish Championship clubs we cannot match what he will be offered. There is Zero chance of him being with us next year and anyone thinking he will be is being delusional.
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12 hours ago, MJC said:
That’s a potentially season defining result. It looked bleak at half time with the same old story but we grew into it and deservedly won. Again Blair Spittal shows that he is absolutely crucial to us and hopefully we can get him on an extended deal asap.
We wont be getting Blair Spittal on am extended contract. His form will have attracted a number of bigger clubs and he's due his pay day. Mind you if he ends up at St Mirren he's off his head. I seriously think Aberdeen , Hibs or Hearts my be interested and if they are he ain't staying with us.
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21 minutes ago, joewarkfanclub said:
Probably gonna need at least 3 wins and a draw out of those to have any real chance.
The fact we have 3 home games and 2 of them are against direct rivals helps.
As always its gonna come down to squad size and what injuries and suspensions we have.
Keep out important players (Spittal, Vale, Bair, Miller, Devine, Gent) fit and it gives us a chance.
Big ask, but not impossible.
It is quite incredible we still have a chance considering how utterly abysmal we've been most of the season
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A truly abysmal first half. Really concerning the levels to which we fall. Second half was much better and we ran out worthy winners. Despite all my doom and gloom throughout the game at this stage in the season all that matters is the result. Pity our next game is Rangers, hopefully combination of result will keep us no worse than four points off 6th and we can have a real go at achieving the remarkable and get into top six. I don't think we will but three home games out of four to the split gives us a chance but we will need to do something that's been beyond us all season winning three games on the bounce.
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On 2/25/2024 at 6:41 AM, steelboy said:
The loss was all down to Burrows completely pointless stadium and pitch redevelopments.
The people who are leaving the board are the ones trying to force through a sale. I wouldn't be surprised to see them reappear if the Well Society gives up the shares. We don't have a CEO because McMahon and Weir want to sell a club they don't actually own.
There are serious questions about who the CEO and Chairman have actually been representing these last few months.
The loss has fuck all to do with money spent on the ground, how many times does this need to be said. The ground improvement were paid from a £3 million 20 year interest free loan from the Scottish Govt. The money could only be spent on facilities. So at most the payments on the loan cost £150,000 the remaining £1,450,000 loss has fuck all to do with the ground and pitch improvements.
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For me this is the season defining game. If we lose I seriously fancy us for the play off spot. If we win we have an outside chance of the top six. Perfect results would be us to beat Livi, St M to beat RC (sadly) hate they Paisley tinks, St Johnstone and Aberdeen to draw or a ST J win - would love Aberdeen dragged into it cos they are seriously pish.
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1 hour ago, Well-Made said:
and that is an example of why, at this point I have said No to giving up ownership.
I can't in good faith say I would consider saying yes, even if interested, we need the investment but we also need to have a Club to support in the future.
Until we know who the investors are, what their background is, what baggage they already come with, then I won't be happy to say to the Well Society to give away ownership.
I am not saying after this information is provided that I wouldn;t change my mind but that wasn't an option.
Surely anyone with an open mind would say yes, hear whats on offer and then cast a future vote knowing if it's potentially as bad as you suspect.
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7 minutes ago, Great Balls of Shire said:
I don't know if this is relevant but I think back to when David Murray wanted to invest in Ayr, they knocked him back and he invested in Rangers... obviously quite a few years down the line it all went wrong.... rangers enjoyed a lot of success for a good few years tho... suppose point is don't look a gift horse blah blah
The biggest issue is fans want guarantees and in life there are no guarantees. There is no guarantee that staying as a fan owned club we don't go tits up or become a mid ranking part time Championship Team, similarly there is no guarantee private investors will do anything other than plug short to medium term cash issues then fuck off and we are back where we are now or worse. However the clubs lawyers should ensure a certain level of safeguard should we go down the route of outside investors which may or may not materialise.
When decision time comes it will be you pays your money you take your choice.
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16 minutes ago, mfc said:
So we should take any investment going and spend like crazy but if we go bust it's ok cause we can come back as some tinpot outfit playing in public parks.
That's the kind of knee jerk response adds nothing. Any move from a fan owned model would need to come with certain assurance , checks and balances. No Motherwell fan is going to accept any recommendation where there isn't a clear line of sight on the security of the club / ground should any investor private or group move on. That will be down to the Club, the Society and the clubs lawyers. As I said before the devil is in the detail.
Frankly at this moment in time I think many of us are getting to far ahead of ourselves. There is interest, that could come to fuck all. Look at St Johnstone their intended investors have been in discussion with the club for nearly a year.
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21 minutes ago, robsterwood said:
Thet clubs do exist in different form and leagues. Don't complain then if we don't get investment then and can not move on to higher level. And loose players to Kilmarnock and St mirren.
St Mirren ain't a good example, they are on an upward curve right now. But Robinson is working on very thin margins and St Mirren lost £1.3 million two seasons ago. St Mirren are a couple of bad seasons / managers away from facing what we are now.
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43 minutes ago, cambo97 said:
I was only making the point that some clubs have died, it's debatable whether it's 50/50 in my life time (so taking out Third Lanark) though really it's 100% both Rangers 2012 and Airdrieonians/Airdrie United / Clydebank are totally different entities.
I'm pretty much on the fence (awaiting further info) on whether being totally fan owned or not would work.
And Dundee have "died" twice and are heading for a European place and they average 1200 supporters more than us. That's all I'm getting at, some people assume armageddon at every turn when change is suggested and in reality across the footballing scene very few clubs have disappeared. I wasn't meaning you specifically were suggesting an apocalyptic outcome. For fan ownership to work we need some big hitters in our support who financially are happy to put large sums in without much return and that's unlikely. Even Hearts whose fan model has worked are under pinned by individuals who put £3/£4 million in a season.
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17 minutes ago, cambo97 said:
I'm sure the Third Lanark, Clydebank and Gretna fans would disagree.
you are right, of course clubs have died, but the number of clubs that don't actually survive in some shape or form is minimal. I'm not suggesting we act recklessly but some of the hysteria about not having a majority share holding is frankly off the scale. We operated for over 100 years not being fan owned and not being fan owned does not mean we will automatically go bust or every owning group will be out to screw us over. Like all things in life the devil is in the detail. Indeed being fan owned does not mean we will never go bust or go into administration either.
Im in the "lets see the facts, the checks / balances / assurances and vision" before I decide Yes or No.
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2 hours ago, Kmcalpin said:
No idea. I'd prefer to go with the Society option but have voted to consider external options. I think it would be remiss to reject out of hand external options without knowing details. I do not want to influence anyone else though. Each to their own.
Exactly why dismiss out of hand without knowing the full details.
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3 hours ago, Kmcalpin said:
This is a critical issue, so its time for a new thread.
The Society has just sent out an email containing a provisional vote. Have all members received it?
nope
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2 hours ago, MelvinBragg said:
That's a separate question but a valid one. The point I'm making here though is that getting points off the Old Firm isn't always a barometer for a successful league season. Would I like to get results against them more often? Of course. But I refuse to get hung up about it. Just think of it as having a couple of bogey teams...
No it isn't but how anyone could compare that European shite to sticking it to the OF especially in a game that hurts them is beyond me.
For me there hasn't been a single European game / result that compares to sticking it to the OF.at any time.
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7 hours ago, Spiderpig said:
I can't understand the obsession some people have about beating either of the ugly sisters, especially the blue half, we've beaten both of them in games that matter over the years , the 91 semi final, 2015 playoff final, 2017/18 league Cup, yes a league win is nice but its not as simple as that.
The uncomfortable truth whether people like it or not is that they are both much better teams than us (Rangers playoff final team excepted) so we don't have a god given right to expect to beat them every time we play them.
All these stats about other teams having better records than ours etc are irrelevant it's nothing to do with mental attitude either, every Motherwell player goes into every game hoping to win, but in the real world you get beaten by better teams, who cares if its 20 odd years since our last league win against the blue uglies I'd rather see us winning against the other 9 teams, to earn a Euro spot, a decent cup run, stay in the premiership etc, people need to chill out a bit.
I care. I find it utterly depressing that nearly every other club in the league has a better record against the OF than us. That's where we differ. I couldn't care less if Motherwell ever qualified for Europe ever again. Other than a junket and piss up they are an utter waste of time. If we don't utterly embarrass Scottish football (Flamaturi, MyPa47, Stjarnan and Sligo Rovers) we invariably play utter shite and are out before it even starts.
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3 minutes ago, bobbybingo said:
I'm not sure anyone can have a worse winless record than 'never won'. If you want to count every league game they've ever played against Rangers, surely the fair comparison would be every league game we've ever played against them.
I think it's fair, however take your point , Ross County haven't taken 3 points off Rangers in 21 attempts we havent taken 3 points off them in 56 attempts, ours is worse.
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14 minutes ago, David said:
It would be a no from me.
Do you know if I was a young man id say no too. However I'm at a stage in my life where there's less ahead than there is behind and I'd fed up with the struggle just keeping our heads above water. The possibility of a few seasons before I croak it where where had genuine excitement and even the slightest possibility of I cup I think I'd go for it. Selfish ? Yeah, but after putting money in for 46 years I'm fed up with the piss poor level of expectation. Before anyone starts listing what we've done I'm well aware of it I've been at them all. Other than a last minute winner to get top six in the most turgid football you could ever imagine the trend looks like being one way. It might not be but the odds are it probably is, so yeah I'd go for a stab at being bought over. I know there's risks but there are risks being fan owned too. There are no guarantees in life.
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To answer a few, I'm not asking if it's feasible, I'm asking if the offer was there for substantial investment but a condition was fan ownership being given up how many of you would say yes.
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Aye but he gave control to a Muppet