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As a Motherwell fan from Lanarkshire, Rangers and Celtic are irrelevant to me. I don't go to games against them or care about their results in the Premiership and Europe. We, and the other nine teams in the league, are unlikely ever to finish above either of them again, and that's just that. I consider us part of a league of ten teams, with no chance of anything other than two cups, third place and European qualification, which is fine for me. I find it helpful to remove them and their fans from my thoughts.

We'll have to endure one more season of Killie's plastic carpet, as they plan to have it replaced with grass by the start of the 2025/26 season, and Livi will take their shite to the Championship for the 2024/25 season, where it should remain forever more.

Let's start with this, where I'm a 'dumbfuck' for having a view. Trace many posts back; you'll see that this individual has chosen to get personal more than once.

Yep. Add the plastic pitches.

Elaborate.

I may have dismissed Bair, which I think was fair at the time because his record before signing for us was mince. However, he’s turned it around and I've since acknowledged that and praised him. His effort was never in question. On Vale, I was actually more positive, and he's lived up to my expectations and more. For example:

Cheers. Lunchtime over.

I completely understand that, and that's why most of us are here, to engage in good faith. But, I refuse to accept the forum as being a place for targeted personal abuse when someone disagrees with your view, hence why I continually respond to that individual to try to be constructive. Some people here can't enter a debate without signing off with snide personal comments.

We're agreeing to agree here, although the post you've picked up on was my response to an individual who continually targets my views with personal abuse, thus diluting any valid alternate view they may have.

I see you're a fan of clementines.

Your argument against change is centred on defeatism, bordering on denialism. Furthermore, given the season isn't over yet, I’d also add that it's a bit of a logical fallacy, but the latter could also be applied to my view posted a while ago about not wanting him to see out the season. It's pointless discussing this. TL;DR - if you want to stick with shite because you're afraid that change might bring more shite, then that's fine. That doesn't mean I have to agree with it or share those views.

Thanks to Pie & Bovril, I think my suggestion of 40+ points being the magic number is a reasonable assumption. P&B: “How many points needed for a top six place this term? Here’s the 6th placed team and their points total at the split going back the previous 9 seasons. 22-23 St.Mirren 44pts 21-22 Motherwell 40pts 20-21 St.Johnstone 40pts 19-20 n/a 18-19 Hearts 50pts 17-18 Hearts 46pts 16-17 Partick Thistle 41pts 15-16 Ross County 43pts 14-15 Dundee 44pts” https://x.com/pieandbov/status/1763127542486126811?s=46&t=wehikD-exiutCByWu64YEQ

I've resigned myself to accepting that Spittal will move elsewhere, and fair play to him, he's earned his move and payday.

Yes. It's not beyond the realms of possibility, as Kettlewell isn't some sort of unique budget team manager messiah.

Our second-half performance last night suggests that it won't be 10-0 to them anymore. I still think they'll win, though, but I’d be pleased with a hard-fought and turgid draw.

I hear what you're saying, but my calculation factored in Dundee (6th with 32 pts) and Hibs (7th with 31 pts) each having 6 games to go, over our 5 to go. Let's break even and call the magic number 40 pts.

The starting setup wasn’t quite right, but he got the subs right at the right time and it changed the game. Social media is a sewer for illiterate morons with zero grasp on reality. Miller is class, and he's only going to improve. We best enjoy him while we can. Now, to beat Rangers…

Read my other posts and you'll see that I haven't dismissed the draws. I've acknowledged that they've helped with our league position. You can have your broken record view, and I can have mine. Take your tedious Socratic questioning and personal abuse elsewhere.

We could also have someone other than those you mentioned, and already be in the top six. Both alternative scenarios are equally valid, but we chose to stick with a manager whose win percentage is currently 21%. If you like that, so be it.

With 5 games to go to the split, what are our chances? Looking at previous tables, a team seems to require anywhere from 40-50 points to get into the top 6 by the end of matchday 33. And looking at the table right now, you'd imagine the magic number will be around 43-45 points. We're on 29 points now, with 15 up for grabs, so the top 6 is likely out of reach unless we win a lot and those around and above us lose a lot. Nonetheless, matchday 33 against Hibs could be a cracker. Rangers (A) Aberdeen (H) St Mirren (H) Dundee (A) Hibs (H)

Vale changed the entire dynamic of the game. Thanks to Gent for selling the loan move to him.

Welcome to the forum, Thelonius.

Night, night.

Whichever way you frame it, 6 wins in 28 and 2 early cup exits is a poor return for any manager. He likely wouldn't be here now if it hadn't been for his secret extension. We'd also be worse off in the league if it weren't for those around us being equally rotten at times, but they won't always be. So no, I won't drop it because I don't want someone with that record at my club long-term. If you do, fine. And yes, it was a great result tonight in the end. It was a game of two very different halves.

Massive result. We need to back it up now.