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Nice try, Rangers VAR, nice try. Take your pick...

Maybe they didn't care one way or the other. I don't remember seeing an "Either" option.

That's pretty standard in the club ownership business. The other model is for the owner themselves to run it into the ground.

I wasn't that surprised in the turnout. When the Society was launched, I recall a lot of members saying they were joining to support the club, but had no real desire to participate in the running (which is fair enough). I was a little surprised by the nearly 2 to 1 vote in favour of giving up ownership. Unless we find some generous benefactor who isn't expecting much of a return of investment, it feels like the road to a new Morrison's and an Excelsior Stadium ground share. Boyle just about killed us off, and he was a fan.

No change there, then.

Lucky he had that secret extension then or we could have had a Warnock or Levein making no difference whatsoever to our performances.

Life in plastic, it's fantastic... Take your pick

We're 3rd (joint) highest scorers in the league. That's not the root of our problems.

If St Mirrren keep performing at that level they'll be down beside us soon.

Or empirically sound.

Whoever selected this for a Sky broadcast must have been sniffing the pellets from Livi's pitch. Zero entertainment and a narrow win for us.

Ah, the fine margins between an afternoon of happiness and a week of unreadable complaints. Take your pick...

The lack of insight in some recent posts is surprising even for here.

The SPL and now SPFL were set up mostly to benefit the OF. SPL was created with 10 teams to guarantee 4 OF derbies a season. The splitting of gate money was changed to "home team keeps everything" to ensure the OF had proportionately more income. The top-heavy weighting of the 1st and 2nd prize money was created to ensure the OF received the most cash the majority of the seasons. And let's not forget how the authorities wanted to keep Sevco in the top league after liquidation. Even after the fan protests they went against their own rule book and kept them in the league despite the precedent set by the treatment of teams like Gretna. So it's not completely unreasonable for any team to mention the disparity in resources when we come up against them. We are literally playing against a stacked deck every time. But it's football, and in single games, points can be won against them - and winning them is sweeter thanks to the same disparity. The fact that both sides are supported by many small minded bigots just adds the pleasure when we do win.

The "why" is because John Boyle ran up massive debts as an owner/investor. While he didn't call in all that he was owed, he did leave us in a bit of a state when he gave up his holding. One of the reasons we ended up as fan owned was because JB couldn't find a buyer for a club with our problems. As he had put us into administration it meant the club couldn't get a bank loan (for 10 years as I recall) which, even for wealthy investors, is often a requirement for running a business. Whether you like the man or not, we were lucky Les was around to fund us and steer us in the right direction for fan ownership otherwise we could have been floating around the lower leagues by now - or worse. In fact, if you want to see the dangers of a single investor, Boyle is a great example - a fan, a businessman, and a guy who wanted the best for the club, but still managed to nearly kill us off.

I'm not sure there's much benefit to owning most Premiership clubs. You're unlikely to make a profit unless you are selling the assets. Clubs our size, and bigger, that have investors all seem to be in pretty significant debt - except it's the owners they owe money to rather than the banks. A football club in most cases is an expensive hobby, so the best case is for a wealthy individual to invest for fun. Then you run the risk of disaster when they get bored or skint (or in the case of Gretna, die). Unless we were going bankrupt, I wouldn't want to give up fan ownership.

Scunnered likesay. Make your choice...

SK is red, Steelmen are blue, Winning is sweet, But draws make me spew 💌 Take your pick...

Hope Kipré doesn't crock him!

Jack Vale scoring a goal a game currently. The Pound Shop Pound Shop's Bergkamp?

Over here, it was on Tuesday night.

The 1972 Miami Dolphins are the only team in the NFL to have a perfect season. Every season since then, after the last unbeaten team in the league has lost, everyone from that Dolphins squad has a glass of champagne to celebrate their record extending another year. I'm thinking about starting the same tradition for everyone that was at Hampden in 1991. Our select band remains the last people to watch a Motherwell team go unbeaten in the cup. Cheers! And make your choice...

Another classic example of a misleading clickbait headline in the Herald today. Turnbull in 'other things' Celtic transfer exit suggestion actual quote from DT in the article:

It's live on the Beeb so shouldn't be too difficult to find a stream. (Or use a VPN to watch it on iPlayer).

The thing about cups is that every team that competes in them loses every year. Except one.