weeyin Posted March 20 Report Share Posted March 20 16 hours ago, grizzlyg said: I just think mcginn didn't need to even mention it, he is a great guy and massive for Scotland. I am more annoyed with carver the dinosaur. Anyway we move on. He didn't just mention it. His quote would be an answer to a direct question from a journo. More importantly, I hope Max Johnston is having a few conversations with Miller to tell him how good it is to make the move away from Scotland and play in Europe. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twistandshout1983 Posted March 20 Report Share Posted March 20 Well done Max on your first game for Scotland, a win also👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weeyin Posted March 23 Report Share Posted March 23 Scott McTominay sticking up for Lennon today: Quote “We have young players coming in, Lennon (Miller) and James (Wilson) have been a breath of fresh air. They’re good kids who have a bit about them as well, they have personality and you need that to come play for Scotland. “I love seeing young boys come in full of confidence wanting to prove they’re ready to play and in my opinion they’re more than good enough." 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MelvinBragg Posted March 23 Report Share Posted March 23 Glad that Miller hasn't been part of this disaster... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robsterwood Posted March 23 Report Share Posted March 23 Whys Kenny McClean getting start before miller? Scotland abysmal. Least Greece giving younger players a chance. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmcalpin Posted March 23 Report Share Posted March 23 There would have been no harm whatsoever in bringing on Lennon Miller with a few minutes to go. By that time the tie was well and truly lost. Give him his first cap. That kind of attitude is what is holding our international team back. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twistandshout1983 Posted March 23 Report Share Posted March 23 Scotland were really poor tonight , deserved win for Greece . Lennon Miller could not have been any worse at all 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spit_It_Out Posted March 23 Report Share Posted March 23 I only take an interest in Scotland when our players are involved and what I witnessed I wouldn't want a call up lol. Time for some fresh ideas by the looks of things me thinks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Dosser Posted March 23 Report Share Posted March 23 So easy for a Greek manager when he knows Scotland lack natural goalscorers, are weak defensively and generally lack pace. Set your team up to defend strongly early on and then wait for mistakes and hit quickly on the break and the job is done. Glad Lennon missed this abject performance. I'm afraid our chippy passive-aggressive manager's time should have been up after the dreadful Euro performance #Best Fans Worst Team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderpig Posted March 23 Report Share Posted March 23 1 hour ago, robsterwood said: Whys Kenny McClean getting start before miller? Scotland abysmal. Least Greece giving younger players a chance. When will people realise that Clarke and the rest of the Scotland management are useless fuds, constantly filling the squads with bang average at best non Scots just because their Granny or Granpa ate shortbread at the expense of homegrown talent like Miller etc. Its time for the whole management team to be binned and replaced. 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mio Posted March 23 Report Share Posted March 23 Clarke will tell the press that there are positives to take from a 3-0 humping at home and they’ll lap it up without a challenge to him. not one of them has the balls to call him out on his diabolical football style and blind loyalty to Arse licking older players. I’d have sacked him after that Germany game…… at half time!!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weeyin Posted March 23 Report Share Posted March 23 Clarke should have gone at the end of the Euros. I'll give him credit for taking an omnishambles of squad and getting some results from them, but he hit a brick wall after that. His performances at both Euros exposed his lack of coaching skill and tactical nous with abject performances in every game. He has taken us as far as his talent permits, and needs to head off to a Director of Football role at some lower league team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The African Posted March 24 Report Share Posted March 24 Got up for a 6am kick off here, not deluded by our lucky result in Greece, but hopeful of a n improved performance and result. If I hadn't had a work meeting scheduled for 11am I was sorely tempted to go back to bed at half time. A minute into the second half and I went to make some breakfast. The saddest part of it now is that I realize that I no longer really care. Certainly not like I used to care back in the day. Don't get me wrong, I'd like to see them win, like to see them qualify for tournaments, love to see the odd Motherwell player get a cap and advance their careers, but it is now too easy just to write nit off as just another disappointment and refuse to let it spoil the rest of my day. New Zealand will qualify for the World Cup this evening so I will have someone to have an interest in next year, but they are not going to get beyond the group stages, and the thought of a 48 team competition already has me thinking I will give it a miss. I have been saying it for a while, but international football is in serious trouble. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weeyin Posted March 24 Report Share Posted March 24 I think the Scottish international side is in serious trouble thanks to years of short-termism and fundamental failings in the grass roots of our game. The Nations League quarter finals today, however, were all excellent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
numpty Posted March 24 Report Share Posted March 24 46 minutes ago, The African said: I have been saying it for a while, but international football is in serious trouble. Well, some of it is. The Spain v Netherlands game tonight was a belter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Dog Posted March 24 Report Share Posted March 24 15 hours ago, Spiderpig said: When will people realise that Clarke and the rest of the Scotland management are useless fuds, constantly filling the squads with bang average at best non Scots just because their Granny or Granpa ate shortbread at the expense of homegrown talent like Miller etc. Its time for the whole management team to be binned and replaced. I take exception to that. Which 'non-Scot' took Miller's place? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grizzlyg Posted March 24 Report Share Posted March 24 2 hours ago, Mad Dog said: I take exception to that. Which 'non-Scot' took Miller's place? I would take a punt its at George Hirst, capped under 17, 19 and 20 for England. Grandad Scottish. Should be nowhere near squad in my opinion. I want guys passionaite for our country, not guys only picking us for convenience 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grizzlyg Posted March 24 Report Share Posted March 24 In Portugal on holiday and watched it in Irish bar. Clarke overloyalty was always going to cost us. 1) Mckenna playing in la liga yet Hanley gets ahead of him. 2) Lewis ferguson outstanding in serie A yet dropped before McLean and replaced by the right wing headless chicken that is Ryan Christie. ( who has been outstanding for Bournemouth in centre defensive mid yet Clarke thinks differently) 3) young lennon should have got last 20 mins, would have given place a boost plus no pressure on him as game was finished anyway 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderpig Posted March 24 Report Share Posted March 24 3 hours ago, Mad Dog said: I take exception to that. Which 'non-Scot' took Miller's place? I refer to the likes of, Slicker, Conway, Hirst, Adams, Dykes and a large list of non Scots given caps over the years because they had a Scottish Granny or Grandpa etc at the expense of homegrown talent like Miller, Turnbull, Doak, to name a few in a long list. The whole Scotland set up is a shambles as some of the best and promising talent in the country is constantly being overlooked. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfc Posted March 24 Report Share Posted March 24 1 hour ago, grizzlyg said: In Portugal on holiday and watched it in Irish bar. Clarke overloyalty was always going to cost us. 1) Mckenna playing in la liga yet Hanley gets ahead of him. 2) Lewis ferguson outstanding in serie A yet dropped before McLean and replaced by the right wing headless chicken that is Ryan Christie. ( who has been outstanding for Bournemouth in centre defensive mid yet Clarke thinks differently) 3) young lennon should have got last 20 mins, would have given place a boost plus no pressure on him as game was finished anyway Good points grizzly,hanley and ralston can't get near there club sides but yet clarke sees them as the answer for a two legged tie,there's no way either would be sharp enough for the demands.not even being biased towards max johnstone but he should have been involved,he had the balls to make the move abroad and further his career and has impressed in doing so but yet we stick with ralston who seems the type that will happily sit on his arse and not play as long as he's doing it at his beloved celtic. 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewarkfanclub Posted March 24 Report Share Posted March 24 1 hour ago, Spiderpig said: I refer to the likes of, Slicker, Conway, Hirst, Adams, Dykes and a large list of non Scots given caps over the years because they had a Scottish Granny or Grandpa etc at the expense of homegrown talent like Miller, Turnbull, Doak, to name a few in a long list. The whole Scotland set up is a shambles as some of the best and promising talent in the country is constantly being overlooked. As someone who follows Scotland home and away, thats just not true. Miller is in the squad at 18 years old. I still think its a bit early for him but absolutely delighted with his inclusion. Turnbull was in plenty of squads with the chance to impress. Maybe he didnt? He only got dropped when he got injured for Celtic and then couldnt force his way back into the Celtic first team (and then onto Cardiff where he is again injured). Doak was selected for the Euros squad at 18 years old when not even commanding a first team place at Liverpool. He didnt go because he got injured in training. He isnt in this squad cause he is injured again. Slicker, Conway, Hirst, Adams, Dykes, all selected in problem positions where there literally are NO naturally born Scots youngsters battering down the door. There really isnt anyone in Scotland good enough who isnt being selected because of a so called "non-scot". 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dennyc Posted March 24 Report Share Posted March 24 57 minutes ago, Spiderpig said: I refer to the likes of, Slicker, Conway, Hirst, Adams, Dykes and a large list of non Scots given caps over the years because they had a Scottish Granny or Grandpa etc at the expense of homegrown talent like Miller, Turnbull, Doak, to name a few in a long list. The whole Scotland set up is a shambles as some of the best and promising talent in the country is constantly being overlooked. I tend to agree with you but when you dig deeper you find that (based solely on place of birth) Max Johnston is no more entitled to play for Scotland than Scott McTominey, Lyndon Dykes and Bryan Gunn. All three born outside Scotland but with a parent or parents who were born in Scotland. Both Dykes parents were born in Scotland. So if being born outside Scotland is the criteria then our pool is even smaller and some surprising players would be ineligible. Also for me it seems unreasonable to ignore players who were born outside of Scotland because a parent was 'abroad' for work purposes. It is not as if the child chose to be born outside Scotland. Max Johnston as an example when his dad was playing for Middlesborough.. Extending qualification to take into account a grandparent is a step too far for me though. So that would exclude Hirst, Conway, Slicker and Adams. Maybe that's a balance that's fairer? Just to add to the nonsense, although the Home Nations agreed as a group to ignore them, per Uefa/Fifa players can qualify based on the length of time they have been in a country and any player born in the UK can play for any of the four nations. Schooling in a country for a set number of years is yet another route to qualification. James Tavernier is actually eligible to play for Scotland. Not saying he should but technically he qualifies. And, for the more senior amongst us, Jack Charlton also has a lot to answer for. I think the current Manager is a bigger problem than qualification criteria though. His loyalty to players who hardly feature for their Clubs is nonsensical. As is his refusal to select in form players. Only one Manager learned anything from the Thursday night win in Greece. And it wasn't Steve Clarke. Did he really believe that Ralston and Hanley with next to no game time for their Clubs could survive two full games in four days at International level. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewarkfanclub Posted March 24 Report Share Posted March 24 1 hour ago, mfc said: Good points grizzly,hanley and ralston can't get near there club sides but yet clarke sees them as the answer for a two legged tie,there's no way either would be sharp enough for the demands.not even being biased towards max johnstone but he should have been involved,he had the balls to make the move abroad and further his career and has impressed in doing so but yet we stick with ralston who seems the type that will happily sit on his arse and not play as long as he's doing it at his beloved celtic. Hanley and Ralston were both absolutely outstanding in Athens on Thursday night. Lack of first team football didnt seem to impede either of them then. Max Johnstone has been a bit part player for Sturm Graz. Hardly a first team regular. I rate him and I would have liked to see him given his chance last night. I would have reverted to a back 3 with Tierney available again and Ralston not suited to the RWB role. It would have been a risk either way. But for me the way the second half panned out in Athens, we should have offered Greece a different test. Thats on Clarke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Dog Posted March 24 Report Share Posted March 24 2 hours ago, Spiderpig said: I refer to the likes of, Slicker, Conway, Hirst, Adams, Dykes and a large list of non Scots given caps over the years because they had a Scottish Granny or Grandpa etc at the expense of homegrown talent like Miller, Turnbull, Doak, to name a few in a long list. The whole Scotland set up is a shambles as some of the best and promising talent in the country is constantly being overlooked. Okay, I'll assume that you could have worded your opinion better as you mentioned only Miller as an example. I agree that not all of those with Scottish ancestry are necessarily fully committed to Scotland. However, being born outside of Scotland (like myself) doesn't automatically make someone not Scottish. I'll give you Richard Gough, Andy Goram, Stuart McCall and Kieran Tierney as examples of proud Scotsmen born outside the country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dennyc Posted March 24 Report Share Posted March 24 1 hour ago, joewarkfanclub said: Hanley and Ralston were both absolutely outstanding in Athens on Thursday night. Lack of first team football didnt seem to impede either of them then. Max Johnstone has been a bit part player for Sturm Graz. Hardly a first team regular. I rate him and I would have liked to see him given his chance last night. I would have reverted to a back 3 with Tierney available again and Ralston not suited to the RWB role. It would have been a risk either way. But for me the way the second half panned out in Athens, we should have offered Greece a different test. Thats on Clarke. I agree those two were excellent in Athens. But two full games in four days was a step too far for both of them. They were done by half time and it showed second half. Clarke did nothing to help them Max J did originally struggle to get a start with Sturm Graz. That's true. But he is far from a bit part player now. He has been first choice for most of 2025. In the League and CL. The only games he missed this year were down to injury. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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