grizzlyg Posted August 5, 2022 Report Share Posted August 5, 2022 24 minutes ago, Spiderpig said: Boyd and McKinnon were decent full backs in their time, Boyd might be an obnoxious celtic obsessed arsehole these days, but he was a decent player back in the day. Rab McKinnon was one of my favourite ever players, just slightly behind Joe wark as best ever left back 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellsince75 Posted August 6, 2022 Report Share Posted August 6, 2022 13 hours ago, grizzlyg said: Rab McKinnon was one of my favourite ever players, just slightly behind Joe wark as best ever left back McKinnon was excellent . To be fair we had about 20 years of consecutively good left backs . McKinnon , McMillan and Hammell. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmcalpin Posted August 9, 2022 Report Share Posted August 9, 2022 Whats coming across to me loud and clear now is that Graham Alexander seems to have had an inflexible style of play and that players were instructed to adhere rigidly to it. Many fans like myself were criticising midfield players for example for not supporting the striker(s) or full/wing backs being poor. If I recall corrctly, Onthefringes has made this point several times in the past few months. Its clear now that it wasn't always the fault of the players, but rather the system or instructions they were given. I think Stevie Hammell made a similar point as well. Thats not to say that a manager shouldn't give his players instructions but they should be applicable to the talent he has available and not be overly rigid and inflexible. Maybe we, and I include myself here, have judged players unfairly? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sand Dancer Posted August 9, 2022 Report Share Posted August 9, 2022 1 hour ago, Kmcalpin said: Whats coming across to me loud and clear now is that Graham Alexander seems to have had an inflexible style of play and that players were instructed to adhere rigidly to it. Many fans like myself were criticising midfield players for example for not supporting the striker(s) or full/wing backs being poor. If I recall corrctly, Onthefringes has made this point several times in the past few months. Its clear now that it wasn't always the fault of the players, but rather the system or instructions they were given. I think Stevie Hammell made a similar point as well. Thats not to say that a manager shouldn't give his players instructions but they should be applicable to the talent he has available and not be overly rigid and inflexible. Maybe we, and I include myself here, have judged players unfairly? Both Alexander and Robinson before him were typical autocratic managers. They both produced the normal outcome of that style i.e. initial success then medium to long term failure as their methods fail to motivate the players. Unless we want to continue to "yo yo" between success and failure on a season by season basis then the new manager must have different management style Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grizzlyg Posted August 9, 2022 Report Share Posted August 9, 2022 Watching closing ceremony of commonwealth games last night and I noticed the athletes were walking in a 4 3 3 formation..... then I realised it was coming from the Alexander Stadium!!..... sorry folks 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderpig Posted August 9, 2022 Report Share Posted August 9, 2022 17 minutes ago, grizzlyg said: Watching closing ceremony of commonwealth games last night and I noticed the athletes were walking in a 4 3 3 formation..... then I realised it was coming from the Alexander Stadium!!..... sorry folks so we need a new manager, a decent left back a holding midfielder, a prolific striker and now a forum joke teller, that was bad even by your standards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grizzlyg Posted August 9, 2022 Report Share Posted August 9, 2022 6 minutes ago, Spiderpig said: so we need a new manager, a decent left back a holding midfielder, a prolific striker and now a forum joke teller, that was bad even by your standards. Sorry pal, Barrel was well scraped with my last attempt!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spudmfc Posted August 9, 2022 Report Share Posted August 9, 2022 On 8/3/2022 at 7:12 PM, weeyin said: It's no coincidence we had struggles with full backs on both sides of the park last season when we had zero cover in the 3-man midfield and the opposition had free rein on the wings. It was way too easy for teams t play through our lines,beat the half hearted press from the front 3 n then we r out numbered 4 or even 5 t our 3 in midfield,is it any wonder our defence gets left exposed n gets slated as a unit bcos of that, its only just in the last 2 games under hammell hes tried t address that with playing maguire deeper,granted it didnt work but hes seen that is wot we need Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gaz7 Posted August 9, 2022 Report Share Posted August 9, 2022 3 hours ago, Kmcalpin said: Whats coming across to me loud and clear now is that Graham Alexander seems to have had an inflexible style of play and that players were instructed to adhere rigidly to it. Many fans like myself were criticising midfield players for example for not supporting the striker(s) or full/wing backs being poor. If I recall corrctly, Onthefringes has made this point several times in the past few months. Its clear now that it wasn't always the fault of the players, but rather the system or instructions they were given. I think Stevie Hammell made a similar point as well. Thats not to say that a manager shouldn't give his players instructions but they should be applicable to the talent he has available and not be overly rigid and inflexible. Maybe we, and I include myself here, have judged players unfairly? I was like nearly all wanting change and your 1st point on being inflexible was apparent since before start of last season . Whilst we can all see loads of faults in general football terms regarding our teams performance what we need to remember is Alexander seen those players and worked with those players every day. A guy who had more than 1000 appearances in England mostly in top 2 divisions, 50 international caps and few hundred in management . I'm sure he knows more about football than even our residential guardiolas on here. This is maybe why he had to play the way we did as if we tried a different way then he knew we would be nowhere. I am now in that camp as I just do not see anyone in midfield or upfront who I think looks competent at spfl level. Competitive maybe but ability to control and pass a football or take a player on, I just don't see it. So in summary I actually don't think we were harsh in our criticism of players other than some of the personal name calling at games and on here which is embarrassing. If we don't sign at least 1 each of midfielder striker winger and centreback who are better than we have then a long season ahead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmcalpin Posted August 21, 2022 Report Share Posted August 21, 2022 On 8/1/2022 at 10:20 PM, Yabba's Turd said: We have one of the worst supports in football, no patience and one of the most toxic. I don't know that we're any worse than most Ian. I've just been reading fan fora for St Johnstone and Dundee United this morning and the level of venom and vitriol amongst sections of their supports is frightening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grizzlyg Posted August 21, 2022 Report Share Posted August 21, 2022 5 hours ago, Kmcalpin said: I don't know that we're any worse than most Ian. I've just been reading fan fora for St Johnstone and Dundee United this morning and the level of venom and vitriol amongst sections of their supports is frightening. Yep I agree, every club has a element whose behaviour is embarrassing, but I don't think we are any worse than other teams, though club should always be monitoring it as been a few incidents recently that havent been pleasant, singing at Sligo home game especially, anyhoo hopefully that was a one off...COYW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Grew Posted August 21, 2022 Report Share Posted August 21, 2022 10 hours ago, Kmcalpin said: I don't know that we're any worse than most Ian. I've just been reading fan fora for St Johnstone and Dundee United this morning and the level of venom and vitriol amongst sections of their supports is frightening. I’d agree with that. I think fan sites like this are great but they do afford fans the opportunity to have a rant and vent their feelings almost instantaneously either during or after games when their emotions are running high - not always a good time to be commenting on anything. I can remember after a game, whether we’d won or lost, played well or badly the only outlet for comment was in the pub afterwards with your mates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelman1991 Posted August 21, 2022 Report Share Posted August 21, 2022 I’d agree with that. I think fan sites like this are great but they do afford fans the opportunity to have a rant and vent their feelings almost instantaneously either during or after games when their emotions are running high - not always a good time to be commenting on anything. I can remember after a game, whether we’d won or lost, played well or badly the only outlet for comment was in the pub afterwards with your mates. And the world was much better for it 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FirParkCornerExile Posted August 21, 2022 Report Share Posted August 21, 2022 12 hours ago, Kmcalpin said: I don't know that we're any worse than most Ian. I've just been reading fan fora for St Johnstone and Dundee United this morning and the level of venom and vitriol amongst sections of their supports is frightening. Exactly there is NOTHING unique about Motherwell fans as supporters they are the same everywhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yabba's Turd Posted August 21, 2022 Report Share Posted August 21, 2022 2 minutes ago, FirParkCornerExile said: Exactly there is NOTHING unique about Motherwell fans as supporters they are the same everywhere. I beg to differ, when players won't sign for you because of the cretins in the stands, it's a bigger issue than you think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FirParkCornerExile Posted August 21, 2022 Report Share Posted August 21, 2022 4 minutes ago, Yabba's Turd said: I beg to differ, when players won't sign for you because of the cretins in the stands, it's a bigger issue than you think. You think this kind of thing only happens at Motherwell of all the football clubs in this country ? Nonsence https://www.si.com/soccer/liverpool/news/gini-wijnaldum-reveals-why-he-left-liverpool Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dennyc Posted August 21, 2022 Report Share Posted August 21, 2022 7 minutes ago, FirParkCornerExile said: You think this kind of thing only happens at Motherwell of all the football clubs in this country ? Nonsence https://www.si.com/soccer/liverpool/news/gini-wijnaldum-reveals-why-he-left-liverpool I take it your not saying it's ok because it also happens elsewhere? What happens at other clubs is irrelevant. If it is the case at Motherwell then it is an issue. An embarrassing and damaging issue. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FirParkCornerExile Posted August 21, 2022 Report Share Posted August 21, 2022 2 minutes ago, dennyc said: I take it your not saying it's ok because it also happens elsewhere? What happens at other clubs is irrelevant. If it is the case at Motherwell then it is an issue. An embarrassing and damaging issue. Not at all, Im not excusing it Im just reiterating that there is nothing unique in the Motherwell support. Every club has their arseholes and the numbers will be proportionate to the size of their support. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fizoxy Posted August 21, 2022 Report Share Posted August 21, 2022 I beg to differ, when players won't sign for you because of the cretins in the stands, it's a bigger issue than you think.Knowing this, and that the slope of the pitch can affect VAR, I now see that there was a lot more to the pitch renovations than I thought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelman1991 Posted August 22, 2022 Report Share Posted August 22, 2022 9 hours ago, Yabba's Turd said: I beg to differ, when players won't sign for you because of the cretins in the stands, it's a bigger issue than you think. I seem to remember Ken Eadie refused to sign for that very reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winning by Name Posted August 22, 2022 Report Share Posted August 22, 2022 2 hours ago, steelman1991 said: I seem to remember Ken Eadie refused to sign for that very reason. I remember Duncan Shearer many moons ago saying the same thing 'why sign for a club when your own support are worse than the opposing support'. Long time ago mark you and many will say 'who?' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelboy Posted August 22, 2022 Report Share Posted August 22, 2022 21 hours ago, FirParkCornerExile said: Exactly there is NOTHING unique about Motherwell fans as supporters they are the same everywhere. I don't know. Killie fans accepted the switch to a plastic pitch. I don't think we would. People went more mental here about giving the Old Firm extra stands than some other clubs as well. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewarkfanclub Posted August 22, 2022 Report Share Posted August 22, 2022 30 minutes ago, steelboy said: I don't know. Killie fans accepted the switch to a plastic pitch. I don't think we would. People went more mental here about giving the Old Firm extra stands than some other clubs as well. We also have a board that will listen to us. All good things imho. I also remember the standing ovation we gave Kilmarnock at Rugby Park after they won the League Cup and the respect we paid to Liam Kelly after his father died during the final. A lot of Kilmarnock fans said they couldnt imagine having done that if the roles were reversed. I know we were just about to qualify for the Champions League, but still shows our fans can also be shown in a good light. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellup83 Posted May 6, 2023 Report Share Posted May 6, 2023 Well said. Not an entirely fruitless tenure. Different class. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weeyin Posted May 27, 2023 Report Share Posted May 27, 2023 1 hour ago, Robbos boy said: Alexander appointed at MK Dons, so he's now off the wage bill. A few extra quid available for SK to make an audacious bid to reunite Ross Stewart with his old manager. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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