grizzlyg Posted February 22, 2024 Report Share Posted February 22, 2024 I thought there were a few moaners on here but jeez Facebook is worse. Negative.com Had to bite my tongue......or maybe fingers as typing involved Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smiddy Posted February 22, 2024 Report Share Posted February 22, 2024 9 hours ago, grizzlyg said: The club made a mistake with the communication, they have now rectified it, we move on yes grizzly but being a "fan owned club" it was a BIG mistake, and one that really shouldnt happen, jesus even if we are run by a bowling green club committe then even they wouldv put it up on there notice board, amatuerish at best Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grizzlyg Posted February 22, 2024 Report Share Posted February 22, 2024 54 minutes ago, smiddy said: yes grizzly but being a "fan owned club" it was a BIG mistake, and one that really shouldnt happen, jesus even if we are run by a bowling green club committe then even they wouldv put it up on there notice board, amatuerish at best Just hope to feck Obika hasn't triggered a 4 yr extension!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuwell2 Posted February 22, 2024 Report Share Posted February 22, 2024 7 minutes ago, grizzlyg said: Just hope to feck Obika hasn't triggered a 4 yr extension!! Luckily for you it’s only 3 years 11 months 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmcalpin Posted February 22, 2024 Report Share Posted February 22, 2024 14 minutes ago, grizzlyg said: Just hope to feck Obika hasn't triggered a 4 yr extension!! Maybe the option is on the club's side. I suspect it might be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbybingo Posted February 22, 2024 Report Share Posted February 22, 2024 14 minutes ago, grizzlyg said: Just hope to feck Obika hasn't triggered a 4 yr extension!! It's a no strings attached contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewarkfanclub Posted February 22, 2024 Report Share Posted February 22, 2024 1 minute ago, wellgirl said: I personally don't care that much about the Kettlewell contract issue not being made aware to fans. It's more concerning that he didn't seem to know which is how it's being suggested on social media. By the way. That isn't me saying it doesn't matter that fans weren't kept in the loop. But apparently he wasn't aware. If that is true that is grim. Now THAT would really be something! Bad enough that the fans and the Well Society didnt know, but the manager himself? 😳😳😳 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbybingo Posted February 22, 2024 Report Share Posted February 22, 2024 8 minutes ago, wellgirl said: I personally don't care that much about the Kettlewell contract issue not being made aware to fans. It's more concerning that he didn't seem to know which is how it's being suggested on social media. By the way. That isn't me saying it doesn't matter that fans weren't kept in the loop. But apparently he wasn't aware. If that is true that is grim. Was that on Facebook by any chance? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StAndrew7 Posted February 22, 2024 Report Share Posted February 22, 2024 3 minutes ago, wellgirl said: The official statement from the club said that they apologised to the fans and Stuart for not communicating the terms of the extension last year....so it's possible he did know he was being kept on. It's pretty ambiguous and it doesn't explain much at all. Tbh it will come as no suprise to folk that I'm happy with this as I'm his number one fan. 😂. It's all just a bit odd. I dunno. It's just more of a shit show at a time we don't need it in my view Based on the discussions last night I would say it absolutely was not news to him. The apology to him is, I assume, based on the fact it wasn't public knowledge and all that can (and has, I guess) come with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grizzlyg Posted February 22, 2024 Report Share Posted February 22, 2024 34 minutes ago, bobbybingo said: It's a no strings attached contract. Do you not mean a no hamstrings attached contract? 😜😜 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbybingo Posted February 22, 2024 Report Share Posted February 22, 2024 3 minutes ago, wellgirl said: Twitter Must be doing the rounds. I'm not sure how anyone could honestly believe the manager was unaware his contract had been extended. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grizzlyg Posted February 22, 2024 Report Share Posted February 22, 2024 10 minutes ago, bobbybingo said: Must be doing the rounds. I'm not sure how anyone could honestly believe the manager was unaware his contract had been extended. If Kettlewell was unaware his contract has been extended I would have serious concerns about him managing our team. Just been bad communication by club 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbybingo Posted February 23, 2024 Report Share Posted February 23, 2024 2 minutes ago, wellgirl said: Graeme McGarry from the Herald has tweeted saying the statement looks as if Kettlewell didn't know his contract was being extended - it's just a poorly worded statement clearly The wording didn't suggest Kettlewell was unaware his contract had been extended. It clearly stated this had been agreed when he signed the permanent deal - does McGarry really think it was necessary to clarify Stuart Kettlewell was one of the people who agreed to it and signed the contract on that basis? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbybingo Posted February 23, 2024 Report Share Posted February 23, 2024 33 minutes ago, grizzlyg said: If Kettlewell was unaware his contract has been extended I would have serious concerns about him managing our team. Just been bad communication by club I'd have serious concerns about him crossing the road by himself. I doubt even his harshest critic on here would imagine for one second he or his agent were oblivious to his contract situation. The board left themselves wide open to criticism/ridicule on this and they deserve it. But when they did issue the statement and folk immediately began foaming online about Kettlewell getting a year's extension last night, you have to wonder if those fans are actually interested in anything other than moaning. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmcalpin Posted February 23, 2024 Report Share Posted February 23, 2024 1 hour ago, grizzlyg said: If Kettlewell was unaware his contract has been extended I would have serious concerns about him managing our team. Just been bad communication by club You're rght Grizzly. Of course, SK knew his contract had been extended. It was probably part of his original contract and was results based. However he probably felt, rightly, that it wasn't his job to make a public announcement about it. As you say just poor communication. If nothing else, you'd have thoughtthat someone at the club would monitor SO and P & B to pick up on any avoidable complaints/discussion centred on his contract ending this coming May. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yabba's Turd Posted February 23, 2024 Report Share Posted February 23, 2024 Whatever social media you read is your choice, participation is optional. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmcalpin Posted February 23, 2024 Report Share Posted February 23, 2024 10 hours ago, wellgirl said: Personally I don't think it's the club's job to monitor forums to seek out discussion about Kettlewell. Some people like him and want him to stay and some people dont. I think that whatever Comms staff we do have should keep an eye on social media. Its common practice in most organisations. Now by that I don't mean responding to every comment. Only those which are factually wrong and creating unnecessary discussion or anger for example. It would take what - perhaps 10 minutes a day. If a fan owned club wants to relate to the fans then it should keep its finger on the pulse. Social media is a two way thing. If the Club wants to use social media effectively for output then it should be aware of what the fans are saying, in the form of input. This particular issue has been chewed over for months, taken up hundreds, maybe thousands, of posts, and I'm just surprised that no-one at the club was aware of it. My second point is that this is a fan owned club and we should be kept informed. Now again, that comes with a caveat. We don't need to know every minute detail of the Club's business. However, the length of the manager's contract is a very basic issue, which we should have known about. I just wonder what would have happened if SK's contract hadn't been raised at the AGM. We would have arrived at late May, having finished anywhere between say 11th and 7th. There would have been discussion about SK's position with nothing being announced. That would have rumbled on into the summer with fans wondering if he was working without a contract. Just not good enough. Big changes are coming our way, whether you or I like them or not, and fan engagement will be crucial to their success. The fans have to be kept on board. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellfan Posted February 23, 2024 Report Share Posted February 23, 2024 10 minutes ago, Kmcalpin said: I think that whatever Comms staff we do have should keep an eye on social media. Its common practice in most organisations. Now by that I don't mean responding to every comment. Only those which are factually wrong and creating unnecessary discussion or anger for example. It would take what - perhaps 10 minutes a day. If a fan owned club wants to relate to the fans then it should keep its finger on the pulse. Social media is a two way thing. If the Club wants to use social media effectively for output then it should be aware of what the fans are saying, in the form of input. This particular issue has been chewed over for months, taken up hundreds, maybe thousands of posts, and I'm just surprised that no-one at the club was aware of it. My second point is that this is a fan owned club and we should be kept informed. Now again, that comes with a caveat. We don't need to know every minute detail of the Club's business. However, the length of the manager's contract is a very basic issue, which we should have known about. i just wonder what would have happened if SK's contract hadn't been raised at the AGM. We would have arrived at late May, having finsihed anywhere between say 11th and 7th. There would have been discussion about SK's position with nothing being announced. That would have rumbled on into the summer with fans wondering if he was working wihtout a contract. Just not good enough. Big changes are coming our way, whether you or I like them or not, and fan engagement will be crucial to their success. The fans have to be kept on board. A sensible commentary on why a fan-owned club must communicate properly with its fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbybingo Posted February 23, 2024 Report Share Posted February 23, 2024 Where's Declan Gallagher when you need him? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ya Bezzer! Posted February 23, 2024 Report Share Posted February 23, 2024 This obviously should have been communicated but lets not make out that it's some great scandal. At the end of the day manager contracts don't mean a whole lot, it's not even on par with a player contract when you are dealing with a potential asset or a squad position opening up. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texanwellfan Posted February 23, 2024 Report Share Posted February 23, 2024 1 hour ago, Ya Bezzer! said: This obviously should have been communicated but lets not make out that it's some great scandal. At the end of the day manager contracts don't mean a whole lot, it's not even on par with a player contract when you are dealing with a potential asset or a squad position opening up. Yup! . Things would still be exactly the same. Just that we would have known about it earlier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santheman Posted February 23, 2024 Report Share Posted February 23, 2024 4 hours ago, Ya Bezzer! said: This obviously should have been communicated but lets not make out that it's some great scandal. At the end of the day manager contracts don't mean a whole lot, it's not even on par with a player contract when you are dealing with a potential asset or a squad position opening up. It'll cause a bit of discussion for a few days, some will go meh, some will lose their shit over it then everyone will forget about it and move on to the next "shambles" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmcalpin Posted February 23, 2024 Report Share Posted February 23, 2024 2 hours ago, texanwellfan said: Yup! . Things would still be exactly the same. Just that we would have known about it earlier. I don't know that they would have been. It's not a die in the ditch issue per se but had we known about this at the time, it would have prevented a lot of time being wasted on posts and hot air being expended unnecessarily. Those aren't huge issues for the club admittedly. Let's just hope the club has learnt its lesson. Time to move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dossertillidie2 Posted February 23, 2024 Report Share Posted February 23, 2024 I fail to believe this was just “forgotten” about to mention to fans or kettlewell. No manager in their right mind would not be aware when his contract extends or ends. it’s clear they missed the boat on announcing it at the time, and were waiting for a string of results to announce it. AGM just came about before the results regardless it doesn’t have a good look on us as a club Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texanwellfan Posted February 23, 2024 Report Share Posted February 23, 2024 2 hours ago, Kmcalpin said: I don't know that they would have been. It's not a die in the ditch issue per se but had we known about this at the time, it would have prevented a lot of time being wasted on posts and hot air being expended unnecessarily. Those aren't huge issues for the club admittedly. Let's just hope the club has learnt its lesson. Time to move on. I meant with respect to the organization of the football club not to the feelings of the supporters. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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