wellup83 Posted January 7 Report Share Posted January 7 Kettlewell is a decent manager for our level imo. I like the drive, enthusiasm and passion he's shown for our club and the job. He has shown that he isn't afraid to make tough decisions when it comes to recruitment in and out and also that he will stand up for our club and staff in the face of criticism. He won't get everything right but what manager does? Even old Fergie made mistakes in his career. Our league position is good and long may that last. Yes, the team can be inconsistent but that's what you get at our level and it's what keeps us coming back week in week out. Up the Well. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spit_It_Out Posted January 7 Report Share Posted January 7 38 minutes ago, sinjy said: How many of those belittling Kettlewell were pushing for Valakari a few years ago. A bullet well and truly dodged. Why is that cause he went to the poorest team in the league with little to no backing?Pretty sure given the backing that Kettlewell has had would have been a more fair judgement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuwell2 Posted January 7 Report Share Posted January 7 55 minutes ago, sinjy said: How many of those belittling Kettlewell were pushing for Valakari a few years ago. A bullet well and truly dodged. I don’t think that I’m one of those belittling SK but have questioned some of his decisions as have many of us and I also wasn’t one of those pushing for Valakari but I think it’s a bit early to be writing him off or comparing the two of them. SK has had a couple of windows to make the team his own with varying degrees of success but SV has only had what was there so far. Like giving a player 6 month to settle a manager needs to be given a year to implement his ideas and bring in the players who suit his system unless it’s blatantly obvious that the guy’s a crackerjack and his system is unworkable in our league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellsince75 Posted January 7 Report Share Posted January 7 SK obviously cares and does the basics well. He's proud to be the manager of this football club, we know this as he tells us in every interview & remind us how much he cares about the football club and uses the term football club about this football club quite a lot. After all it's a football club don't you know. I've backed him during his tenure as he does the basics well. We're very good at the ugly side of the game, win lots of the battles , work hard. as a unit to stop the opposition. In many respects we mirror how SK was as a player, which is a positive albeit slightly worrying as it's not clear if there's better to come. For me he needs to build on the basics and be more than a hardworking unit. We need better passing accuracy and more attack minded football. If the masterplan was to get the basics and then build then that's ok , I'd like to see more signs that we are looking to entertain at this football club. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yassin Posted January 7 Report Share Posted January 7 1 hour ago, wellfan said: The context is that Valakari has had zero transfer windows at St Johnstone and Kettlewell has had three at Motherwell, so I’m not sure how you can compare them in this league at this stage and say that the former is a bullet dodged. Could you compare Valikari's start to Kettlewell's first few months post-Hammell, then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mio Posted January 7 Report Share Posted January 7 I just don’t see who would want the job and who would do any better than SK? And I’m not a massive lover of him but I think he’s a good manager for us. I’d love to hear some names of managers the people wanting SK out would pick? I asked this last year and the selection was laughable. Levein, Tommy Wright, Tam Courts, Yogi Hughes, Simo. go on let us all hear your suggestions. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellfan Posted January 7 Report Share Posted January 7 3 minutes ago, Yassin said: Could you compare Valikari's start to Kettlewell's first few months post-Hammell, then? You can compare what you want. My point was that it’s not really fair to suggest that Valakari was a bullet dodged when you consider their lengths of tenure in this league and managerial background. Some further context would be that Valakari took over a team about halfway through the first half of the season in October, and Kettlewell took over a team halfway through the season in February following a transfer window where the squad was notably strengthened. It’s true that Kettlewell’s start was better than Valakari’s in this league, but they inherited different squads, and let’s not forget that Kettlewell presided over a lengthy winless run, which was much worse than Valakari’s current record in this league. In summary, and as I said above, it’s not really possible or fair to directly compare them at this stage or say one was a bullet dodged. That’s all whataboutery. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texanwellfan Posted January 7 Report Share Posted January 7 Every manager comes with their own faults or stubbornness. We know what SK’s issues are but I think we have done well getting him, rather than some of the other options who would take a job at Fir Park. I’m hoping he stays for a while and helps bring stability to the club, I’m fed up with the manager merry go round. We all know that, realistically, the best we can be is third. We are sitting pretty close to that at the moment, having beaten the current team in third, 3 times already this season. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Stall Posted January 7 Report Share Posted January 7 I wouldnt want rid of him, hes a young manager and he's doing fine. Is he setting the heather alight? No, but if he was he wouldnt last long. It would however be good to see him learn from mistakes and note just how poor & toothless we are when he sets us up defensivley 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texanwellfan Posted January 7 Report Share Posted January 7 As Mentioned we know his issues 😀 hopefully he can resolve his issues as time goes by. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grizzlyg Posted January 7 Report Share Posted January 7 41 minutes ago, texanwellfan said: As Mentioned we know his issues 😀 hopefully he can resolve his issues as time goes by. I have issues with him not buying his partner a Christmas or birthday card which he confessed to in an interview, miserable git!! 🤣🤣 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sinjy Posted January 7 Report Share Posted January 7 I can imagine the Valakari out, melt down on here if we had taken 2 points from 9 games. I find it extraordinary that the biggest critics of Kettlewell come on here and defend a manager who is regularly criticised for his tactics and team set up. Anyway we have 30 points after 21 games. Any Motherwell manager's first priority is to keep us in the league. In the last 10 years the highest points that have been in the play off is 36. (that's what we had in 2015) so with 17 games to go even if the total is higher this year we need three wins to achieve that objective. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Stall Posted January 7 Report Share Posted January 7 5 hours ago, sinjy said: Anyway we have 30 points after 21 games. Any Motherwell manager's first priority is to keep us in the league. In the last 10 years the highest points that have been in the play off is 36. (that's what we had in 2015) so with 17 games to go even if the total is higher this year we need three wins to achieve that objective. Im hopeful we wont need to worry about playoffs but given how tight the league is & there is only 1 team cut off, & some teams with deeper pockets are below us. I do think the usual points totals are going to be off this season. Ideally get to 40 as soon as possible and take it from there..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewarkfanclub Posted January 8 Report Share Posted January 8 10 hours ago, Big Stall said: Im hopeful we wont need to worry about playoffs but given how tight the league is & there is only 1 team cut off, & some teams with deeper pockets are below us. I do think the usual points totals are going to be off this season. Ideally get to 40 as soon as possible and take it from there..... I agree. The points for safety will be higher this year. I think St Johnstone are gone. There's no way they take 16 points more than us in the second half of the season when they have only managed 15 total in the first half. But everyone else is still within striking distance. Thats why games like tonight are so important. Killie are currently 6 behind, so not losing tonight would be great to just keep that gap ticking over. A win would fantastic and give us a phenomenal return for the first half of the season given the injuries we have had. Its actually quite mental that we should be in any way still worried about a play off place. Given that we could be a point off 3rd at the end of the night! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellfan Posted January 11 Report Share Posted January 11 Get him to fuck. In an economic climate where the average person often has to choose between heating or eating, his form of entertainment will see to it that ticket sales begin to fall. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmcalpin Posted January 11 Report Share Posted January 11 In his defence, he's had to deal with an horrendous injury situation, some of which is of his own doing ie signing crocks. However if we lose both games to St Johnstone then the pressure will really mount on him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellfan Posted January 11 Report Share Posted January 11 4 minutes ago, Kmcalpin said: In his defence, he's had to deal with an horrendous injury situation, some of which is of his own doing ie signing crocks. However if we lose both games to St Johnstone then the pressure will really mount on him. Any other manager dealt an injury blow like Kettlewell has had would surely switch up their system to better accommodate who remains available. Whereas Kettlewell continues to fudge square pegs into round holes and persists with the most obvious busted flush of a system we’ll ever likely see. He only has himself to blame in that regard. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteelmaninOZ Posted January 11 Report Share Posted January 11 15 minutes ago, wellfan said: Any other manager dealt an injury blow like Kettlewell has had would surely switch up their system to better accommodate who remains available. Whereas Kettlewell continues to fudge square pegs into round holes and persists with the most obvious busted flush of a system we’ll ever likely see. He only has himself to blame in that regard. This silly fixtures list isn’t helping….same for everyone else in the SPFL.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
couttsy Posted January 12 Report Share Posted January 12 I can again see both sides of the Kettlewell debate. Whilst we’re exceptionally poor at the moment, we’ve also been so unlucky with injuries this season, particularly to important players. To be missing the full spine of the team yesterday in Ox, Gordon, Miller and Stama, it’s little surprise we’re struggling to get results. On the flip side, and as many are saying, we’re so poor to watch and don’t really look like we have a plan for when we have the ball. Allied to that we keep trying things that have failed previously. If we can ever get McGinn, Gordon & Casey on the pitch together with Miller, Andrews, Maswanhise and Stama we have the makings of a decent team. Until that happens it’s going to be a tough watch and trying to grind out a result or two. I get the feeling Sat is massive for SK to keep the silent majority of the support onside, lose to a team that have won 4 games out of 22 and go out the cup I fear will see the majority turn on him. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewarkfanclub Posted January 12 Report Share Posted January 12 17 hours ago, wellfan said: Any other manager dealt an injury blow like Kettlewell has had would surely switch up their system to better accommodate who remains available. Whereas Kettlewell continues to fudge square pegs into round holes and persists with the most obvious busted flush of a system we’ll ever likely see. He only has himself to blame in that regard. There is some merit to this argument. I do feel that SK sees the same problems as the rest of us. Its just his solutions to those problems often seem quite mental. Same with his in game management. That said, I know you are a big advocate of going to a back 4, and under different circumstances I would agree. But the majority of our injuries this season have been to midfield players so dropping a defender to put in an extra midfielder would be next to impossible, paricularly as we dont have a decent defensive mid to sit in front of a 4. With Vale back, I do think 4-3-3 is a possibility, but with his red card, it definitely wont be on Saturday. In short. SK has had a really shit hand dealt to him this season. I think there ARE things he could have done to make life easier for himself, but we arent in possession of all the facts and information he has at his disposal, so he will continue to get the benefit of any doubt from me for the moment. If we get knocked out of the cup and get dragged into a relegation battle and he is still doing the same things, then my patience will be severely tested. Right now, I will continue to suffer like everyone else. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellfan Posted January 12 Report Share Posted January 12 3 hours ago, joewarkfanclub said: There is some merit to this argument. I do feel that SK sees the same problems as the rest of us. Its just his solutions to those problems often seem quite mental. Same with his in game management. That said, I know you are a big advocate of going to a back 4, and under different circumstances I would agree. But the majority of our injuries this season have been to midfield players so dropping a defender to put in an extra midfielder would be next to impossible, paricularly as we dont have a decent defensive mid to sit in front of a 4. With Vale back, I do think 4-3-3 is a possibility, but with his red card, it definitely wont be on Saturday. In short. SK has had a really shit hand dealt to him this season. I think there ARE things he could have done to make life easier for himself, but we arent in possession of all the facts and information he has at his disposal, so he will continue to get the benefit of any doubt from me for the moment. If we get knocked out of the cup and get dragged into a relegation battle and he is still doing the same things, then my patience will be severely tested. Right now, I will continue to suffer like everyone else. Forever suffering like a true Motherwell fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewarkfanclub Posted January 12 Report Share Posted January 12 2 minutes ago, wellfan said: Ever suffering like a true Motherwell fan. It is the way........😆😆😆 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Wispy Flossy Posted January 18 Report Share Posted January 18 Alexander went after finishing fifth so the precedent has been set. Kettlewell out. That’s worse than Sligo for me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellfan Posted January 18 Report Share Posted January 18 Where’s his supporters tonight?! He is a terrible football manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJC Posted January 18 Report Share Posted January 18 “We’re all very disappointed it’s not the result we wanted. Support were great, decisions went against us. But, but…..we exist to improve people’s lives”. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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