joewarkfanclub Posted January 24 Report Share Posted January 24 16 hours ago, fizoxy said: He answered the question and was pretty much right. It's his job on the line. The tone and the like will bother those that already have something in for him. But by the same token, we slate managers for giving vague answers and saying the same old stuff, and applaud honesty until we disagree with it. If managers start doing what the fans tell them to we're fucked. I don't like the way we play either, but think way too much is being made of this. I don't have high hopes for Saturday, but rarely do, but can already see all the "but entertainment" posts if we manage to grind out 3 points. The period from now until the day SK leaves is going to be unbearable with everything being overanalyzed. Its not just those that are against him that are bothered by the tone. There are a few of us on here who have been generally supportive who are somewhat irked by this interview. I certainly dont expect SK to be taking advice from me, but when you work in a customer centred environment and your customers tell you en masse (Perth) what you are doing isnt good enough, you should at least stop for a second and see if there is another way to meet your objectives. If you double down and keep heading in the same direction, you run the risk of alienating your customer who decide to keep their money in their pockets. For a football manager that rarely ends well. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellfan Posted January 24 Report Share Posted January 24 7 minutes ago, joewarkfanclub said: Its not just those that are against him that are bothered by the tone. There are a few of us on here who have been generally supportive who are somewhat irked by this interview. I certainly dont expect SK to be taking advice from me, but when you work in a customer centred environment and your customers tell you en masse (Perth) what you are doing isnt good enough, you should at least stop for a second and see if there is another way to meet your objectives. If you double down and keep heading in the same direction, you run the risk of alienating your customer who decide to keep their money in their pockets. For a football manager that rarely ends well. Perhaps he’s been taking Limmy’s advice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Dog Posted January 24 Report Share Posted January 24 5 hours ago, wellfan said: He can quite clearly be heard regularly shouting at officials as well as seen remonstrating with them. This can be heard and seen from the stands and on TV. He’s certainly not been carded several times for telling the officials they looked pretty in their kit. So you did not hear what was shouted at the officials. Thank you. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellfan Posted January 24 Report Share Posted January 24 3 hours ago, Mad Dog said: So you did not hear what was shouted at the officials. Thank you. As a season ticket holder and someone who attends many away games, I know exactly what I see and hear most weeks. Can you say the same from the Channel Islands? If not, don't assume what you don't know. 2 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texanwellfan Posted January 24 Report Share Posted January 24 5 hours ago, joewarkfanclub said: Its not just those that are against him that are bothered by the tone. There are a few of us on here who have been generally supportive who are somewhat irked by this interview. I certainly dont expect SK to be taking advice from me, but when you work in a customer centred environment and your customers tell you en masse (Perth) what you are doing isnt good enough, you should at least stop for a second and see if there is another way to meet your objectives. If you double down and keep heading in the same direction, you run the risk of alienating your customer who decide to keep their money in their pockets. For a football manager that rarely ends well. Perhaps even more so when the club is owned by the fans 😳 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellfan Posted January 24 Report Share Posted January 24 23 minutes ago, texanwellfan said: Perhaps even more so when the club is owned by the fans 😳 Yep, he fully missed the mark on that one, and it appears to have created a him vs the fans scenario. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smiddy Posted January 24 Report Share Posted January 24 18 hours ago, fizoxy said: It's condescending, but you probably know that, or your autocorrect does. People are going to take what they want from that interview, but there's nothing objectively controversial in what he said. The away support is going to drop because it's not a cup game, and also the second visit to the same place in a week, and you know that too. Ah see thats where we differ i aint no techno geek on phones to have / use auto spell check dont need that in what i do and by the way i am very good at what i do anyway the reduced number or fans will also be due to the amount of money it costs to go and watch that dug shite level of football but you forgot to mention that reason cause it didnt suit you comments each to there own opinions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FirParkCornerExile Posted January 24 Report Share Posted January 24 1 hour ago, smiddy said: Ah see thats where we differ i aint no techno geek on phones to have / use auto spell check dont need that in what i do and by the way i am very good at what i do anyway the reduced number or fans will also be due to the amount of money it costs to go and watch that dug shite level of football but you forgot to mention that reason cause it didnt suit you comments each to there own opinions I am lucky I can afford to go but I'm digging my heels in for tomorrow and not going , every away game for over two months I've watched the same shite and the same pitiful results, bar one minute in the St Mirren, and I'm just not doing it tomorrow. Do I care if I miss an unlikely victory ? no I don't 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfc Posted January 24 Report Share Posted January 24 58 minutes ago, FirParkCornerExile said: I am lucky I can afford to go but I'm digging my heels in for tomorrow and not going , every away game for over two months I've watched the same shite and the same pitiful results, bar one minute in the St Mirren, and I'm just not doing it tomorrow. Do I care if I miss an unlikely victory ? no I don't I feel exactly the same and giving tomorrow a miss.after being at the recent games at tynecastle,easter road and last week,which were some of the worst performances I've ever seen I'm glad not too be going tomorrow.i usually hate missing games especially when it's in my control if I go or not but I just don't fancy it as I'm almost certain it's going to be the same old shit.our away support have been brilliant all season and I really hope we get a result for us all but especially for those travelling upto perth again. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellfan Posted January 24 Report Share Posted January 24 Kettlewell’s interviews this week make it clear that it’ll be more of the same from him. To change it up would suggest that he’s listened to the fans who he clearly indicated he has zero respect for, so that isn’t happening. And with that, there’s no way I am going tomorrow, and it seems I’m not alone in that choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grizzlyg Posted January 24 Report Share Posted January 24 He has put himself into a corner now after his rant. We all want a win tomorrow as well let's not even think about sellik at home.....thankfully I will miss that one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grizzlyg Posted January 24 Report Share Posted January 24 14 minutes ago, wellgirl said: I don't agree it was a rant. It was a 13 minute long interview where he was asked questions and he answered them. We will disagree but he could have answered them a lot better. Think he forgets 1700 fans paid a lot of money in mid January to witness that performance. They had a right to be angry. 3 pts tomorrow though would be magic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dennyc Posted January 24 Report Share Posted January 24 15 minutes ago, wellgirl said: I don't agree it was a rant. It was a 13 minute long interview where he was asked questions and he answered them. I think he was still reeling from the fan reaction at Perth when he sat for that interview.. You could see right away on Saturday that he was shaken. I agree he has always spoken positively about the fans and I suspect if he had his time again he would have phrased some of his answers differently. Just my take on it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Posted January 24 Report Share Posted January 24 There’s plenty fans may want to critique about Kettlewell – his tactics, his signings, his approach to matches – and that’s entirely fair. Everyone’s entitled to their own opinion. However, to claim he has no respect for the supporters feels quite off the mark. He’s done, and continues to do, a great deal for the fanbase. Whether it’s engaging with the Society, collaborating with various supporters’ group, or taking the time to accommodate requests that most would understandably pass on, especially given the pressures of his role, his commitment is evident. To be clear, I’m not suggesting that people shouldn’t challenge his decisions as a manager. But when it comes to his regard for the fans, I don’t believe that’s something we can fairly call into question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smiddy Posted January 24 Report Share Posted January 24 1 hour ago, wellfan said: Kettlewell’s interviews this week make it clear that it’ll be more of the same from him. To change it up would suggest that he’s listened to the fans who he clearly indicated he has zero respect for, so that isn’t happening. And with that, there’s no way I am going tomorrow, and it seems I’m not alone in that choice. You need to watch what u say wellfan they will be on you you know who 🫣 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smiddy Posted January 24 Report Share Posted January 24 1 hour ago, wellgirl said: Not directing this to anyone in particular. But if Kettlewell really has zero respect for the fans why is he on video on several away games this season telling the support that they are brilliant. Why would a manager do that if they didn't care about the fan base? Several times this season he has gone over to the fans and called them brilliant and now he doesn't care about us? And folk on here are completely entitled to their opinion of him - but in some peoples eyes nothing he does is right anyway. And if that is some peoples view - we could be top of the league and it wouldn't be enough Because most managers i ever came accross are not even 2 faced there 10 faced anybody that played the game will no that as FACT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellfan Posted January 24 Report Share Posted January 24 59 minutes ago, smiddy said: You need to watch what u say wellfan they will be on you you know who 🫣 Two of them are already onto me, but that’s nothing new. We’ll all revisit this thread at 5pm tomorrow. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smiddy Posted January 24 Report Share Posted January 24 21 minutes ago, wellfan said: Two of them are already onto me, but that’s nothing new. We’ll all revisit this thread at 5pm tomorrow. Win lose or draw av watched enough keek 90 mins this season to know that the 3 mins on sportscene morra nite will do me but we can also blame the small away support on the weather 💦💨 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FirParkCornerExile Posted January 24 Report Share Posted January 24 14 minutes ago, smiddy said: Win lose or draw av watched enough keek 90 mins this season to know that the 3 mins on sportscene morra nite will do me but we can also blame the small away support on the weather 💦💨 and console ourselves we are now 7th and 6 points better off than last season...😁 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smiddy Posted January 24 Report Share Posted January 24 10 minutes ago, wellgirl said: I've said multiple times on here that no ones point of view re Kettlewell needs to align with mine. If people who don't like Kettlewell are free to express their opinions - I'll continue to express mine. You got a complex ?? didnt see your name mentioned anywhere Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smiddy Posted January 24 Report Share Posted January 24 1 minute ago, wellgirl said: I think it's quite obvious what you were suggesting. No I don't have a complex but I'm putting you on ignore. I really can't be bothered - if you have an issue with people who do like Kettlewell - that's not my problem - you didn't mention anyone's name. Maybe you should have if you want to dig folk out. Quite obvious ??? Yes that your name wasnt mentioned no youv deffo got a complex theres 10 others on here it couldv been Yes please put me on ignore but i will still read your posts to see who you latch onto next time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewarkfanclub Posted January 24 Report Share Posted January 24 2 hours ago, David said: There’s plenty fans may want to critique about Kettlewell – his tactics, his signings, his approach to matches – and that’s entirely fair. Everyone’s entitled to their own opinion. However, to claim he has no respect for the supporters feels quite off the mark. He’s done, and continues to do, a great deal for the fanbase. Whether it’s engaging with the Society, collaborating with various supporters’ group, or taking the time to accommodate requests that most would understandably pass on, especially given the pressures of his role, his commitment is evident. To be clear, I’m not suggesting that people shouldn’t challenge his decisions as a manager. But when it comes to his regard for the fans, I don’t believe that’s something we can fairly call into question. So we should ignore his remarks about "so called experts"? If he isnt talking about us, who is he talking about? Im all for cutting him slack on performances, injuries etc, but those comments go too far for me...... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmcalpin Posted January 24 Report Share Posted January 24 4 minutes ago, joewarkfanclub said: So we should ignore his remarks about "so called experts"? If he isnt talking about us, who is he talking about? Im all for cutting him slack on performances, injuries etc, but those comments go too far for me...... If his comments were simply clumsily phrased and he wasn't referring to the fans then all he has to do is to clarify what he meant. Hopefully someone at the club has had a tactful word in his ear. No manager can afford to alienate fans unnecessarily. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewarkfanclub Posted January 24 Report Share Posted January 24 1 minute ago, Kmcalpin said: If his comments were simply clumsily phrased and he wasn't referring to the fans then all he has to do is to clarify what he meant. Hopefully someone at the club has had a tactful word in his ear. No manager can afford to alienate fans unnecessarily. Exactly. Anyway. Actions speak louder than words. I will watch with interest as to how we line up tomorrow, the tactics we employ, and obviously how the game pans out. I hope for a positive result! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Stall Posted January 25 Report Share Posted January 25 15 hours ago, wellgirl said: And folk on here are completely entitled to their opinion of him - but in some peoples eyes nothing he does is right anyway. Totally agree with that but surely you have enough self awareness to flip that statement and see that you very much come across as someone who cant see him doing anything wrong? - which incidentally is no better or worse than his staunchest critics. This is a fans discussion board. Everyones opinion is valid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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