2024/25 Ins & Outs Discussion

[StAndrew7]

13 minutes ago, Fergie79 said:

Regarding fee's I am sure I seen online that we were offering no up front fee's for some targets but instead payments going forward based on appearance criteria etc so when we see a fee it doesn't mean an up front payment, could be a few via other methods/criteria on an ongoing basis 

Agreed; context is key though. The boy from Dundalk we didn't offer any up front cash for is out of contract, so we can get him on a free in 6 months time when the league there finishes, like we did with Blaney once his was up. Balmer, I would imagine we'll have an up-front fee of some sort to pay as he's contracted for another year or so.

[Toxteth O'Grady]

14:05 GAVIN BERRY

St Pauli 'target' Well's Bair

Theo Bair (Image: SNS Group)

Motherwell hitman is on the radar of newly-promoted Bundesliga side Theo Bair, according to reports.

The 24-year-old hit 15 goals for the Steelmen last seaon and has been linked with English Championship trio Sunderland, Blackburn and Cardiff City.

But Hamburg-based St Pauli are tooling up for a return to the German top flight and are said to be eyeing the Canada international.

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/transfer-news-live-celtic-rangers-32898894

[weeyin]

3 million (Euros) will open negotiations, and we'll take it from there.

[Spiderpig]

34 minutes ago, weeyin said:

3 million (Euros) will open negotiations, and we'll take it from there.

Given our record of cashing in on our saleable assets, I won't hold my breath, if he goes it will no doubt be an undisclosed fee, with at least 1 zero off the end.

[weeyin]

4 minutes ago, Spiderpig said:

Given our record of cashing in on our saleable assets, I won't hold my breath, if he goes it will no doubt be an undisclosed fee, with at least 1 zero off the end.

I agree we won't be getting 3 mil, but our recent sales of players under contract have been quite lucrative. Kipré is a good example of what can be negotiated. 

[StAndrew7]

12 minutes ago, Spiderpig said:

Given our record of cashing in on our saleable assets, I won't hold my breath, if he goes it will no doubt be an undisclosed fee, with at least 1 zero off the end.

I'm not quite sure where you're getting that from? When we've been in the position to sell, we've sold relatively well in the last 5-10 years I'd say.

Kipre, Moult, Van Veen, Turnbull, Sol, Scott, Johnson, Heneghan to name a few, have all gone for decent wedges.

The exception to that list is obviously Turnbull, but given the hype and praise Bair has received in the press, I think we'll do pretty well out of any transfer for him. Also, Caldwell comes across as a very sensible CEO and will get us good value for him.

Edit: TransferMarkt has us making about £7million from transfers in the last 10ish years.

[Spiderpig]

2 minutes ago, StAndrew7 said:

I'm not quite sure where you're getting that from? When we've been in the position to sell, we've sold relatively well in the last 5-10 years I'd say.

Kipre, Moult, Van Veen, Turnbull, Sol, Scott, Johnson, Heneghan to name a few, have all gone for decent wedges.

The exception to that list is obviously Turnbull, but given the hype and praise Bair has received in the press, I think we'll do pretty well out of any transfer for him. Also, Caldwell comes across as a very sensible CEO and will get us good value for him.

Decent wedges for us maybe but when compared with transfers from the English leagues etc the amounts we get are small change., we either dont get full value or let contracts run down and get nothing. We've always been a selling club so to show real intent especially for a player with a year left on his contract let it be known the bidding starts at 7 figures and take it from there.

If a club like St Pauli are genuinely interested then 2 or 3 million is loose change to them, so aim high. Plus if nobody wants him extend his deal and after another good season we'll be in a better position next year.

[StAndrew7]

17 minutes ago, Spiderpig said:

Decent wedges for us maybe but when compared with transfers from the English leagues etc the amounts we get are small change., we either dont get full value or let contracts run down and get nothing. We've always been a selling club so to show real intent especially for a player with a year left on his contract let it be known the bidding starts at 7 figures and take it from there.

If a club like St Pauli are genuinely interested then 2 or 3 million is loose change to them, so aim high. Plus if nobody wants him extend his deal and after another good season we'll be in a better position next year.

I'm not disagreeing with you about starting high in this case, I'm in full agreement. I said that we've actually got a decent record of selling assets for money that has helped support the club, which you've acknowledged, so what's the issue here?

Comparing our transfer values/selling record with the English leagues is pointless. Everything down there is hyper-inflated because of the value of the Premier League. I would argue we get good/full value because player contracts up here just aren't worth the same as they are down there; that's all part of the fee which is paid. We can't expect to get £XXm for a player who's earning £2.5k a week unless they're on a really long term contract.

[bobbybingo]

They offered £365,000 for Pettigrew. What's that worth now?

[Happy Dosser]

39 minutes ago, bobbybingo said:

They offered £365,000 for Pettigrew. What's that worth now?

Or was it Hamburg FC?

[bobbybingo]

9 minutes ago, Happy Dosser said:

Or was it Hamburg FC?

According to the man himself and Willie McLean, it was St Pauli. Said he knocked them back because they refused to pay him a signing on fee. I've a feeling we'd played them in a pre-season friendly, but that bit I might have imagined.

[Happy Dosser]

7 minutes ago, bobbybingo said:

According to the man himself and Willie McLean, it was St Pauli. Said he knocked them back because they refused to pay him a signing on fee. I've a feeling we'd played them in a pre-season friendly, but that bit I might have imagined.

Thanks for that.  Memory failing me like the rest of me 😱. 

[well_said]

27 minutes ago, bobbybingo said:

According to the man himself and Willie McLean, it was St Pauli. Said he knocked them back because they refused to pay him a signing on fee. I've a feeling we'd played them in a pre-season friendly, but that bit I might have imagined.

Beat them 2 nil in July 74

[bobbybingo]

23 minutes ago, well_said said:

Beat them 2 nil in July 74

Thanks for that. I probably read it in an old programme a while ago.

[Yabba's Turd]

2 hours ago, bobbybingo said:

They offered £365,000 for Pettigrew. What's that worth now?

£3,343,666

[David]

2 hours ago, Spiderpig said:

Decent wedges for us maybe but when compared with transfers from the English leagues etc the amounts we get are small change., we either dont get full value or let contracts run down and get nothing.

It's a completely different market down south, and shouldn't be compared to our league. The only thing we have in common is the land mass we live on, nothing more. 

What it comes down to is the player's valuation in our eyes and whether he wants the move. We need to look at what he's done, which is one season of fairly prolific goalscoring in a career in which he's not done anything of note for most of it.

2 hours ago, Spiderpig said:

If a club like St Pauli are genuinely interested then 2 or 3 million is loose change to them, so aim high. Plus if nobody wants him extend his deal and after another good season we'll be in a better position next year.

Is his current deal structured so that we can add another year to it if we choose? And even if we can do that, if a move has turned the player's head, would it be wise to do so? 

[robsterwood]

3mil up at least. Player that scores in top league. Has pace. Has composure. Athletic. Still young.

[weeyin]

Sell Theo for 1.5million plus add-ons.

Re-sign Alex Fisher on a free.

Let SK turn Fisher into a 15 goals-a-season striker.

Profit.

[David]

5 minutes ago, robsterwood said:

3mil up at least. Player that scores in top league. Has pace. Has composure. Athletic. Still young.

Yeah, the top league in Scotland. And he's scored like that for one season out of like seven seasons. 

If we get a million quid for him we're doing quite well considering what he's done thus far. I'd take that and move on to the next project.

[robsterwood]

13 minutes ago, David said:

Yeah, the top league in Scotland. And he's scored like that for one season out of like seven seasons. 

If we get a million quid for him we're doing quite well considering what he's done thus far. I'd take that and move on to the next project.

No chance taking 1 mil. May as well let contract run out. He's a special player. We should value our assets higher. Don't underestimate assets.

[StAndrew7]

13 minutes ago, robsterwood said:

No chance taking 1 mil. May as well let contract run out. He's a special player. We should value our assets higher. Don't underestimate assets.

We can't value assets higher than the market says they're actually worth though. That's how a marketplace works.

Bair is worth whatever people are willing to pay for him alongside how much we realistically want for him. You can't ask for £3million for a player with one 6 month period of good form and on a contract worth (in relative terms) buttons.

A million now or nothing in a year. It's not rocket science which is the best option.

[joewarkfanclub]

Lets not get carried away.

Theo Bair is not a special player.

He has confounded everyone except SK by turning out to be a decent player at our level.

Ive no doubt he could continue to develop under SK and become even better. And if he was willing to sign a longer contract to do that and protect our investment, then Id be happy enough with that.

But realistically, any offer in the region of £1m with potential add ons, we are doing a deal.

Our business model demands it.

It would also allow us to sign better defenders, which we really need to do.

SK then needs to pull another rabbit out of the hat!

[texanwellfan]

30 minutes ago, joewarkfanclub said:

Lets not get carried away.

Theo Bair is not a special player.

He has confounded everyone except SK by turning out to a decent player at our level.

Ive no doubt he could continue to develop under SK and become even better. And if he was willing to sign a longer contract to do that and protect our investment, then Id be happy enough with that.

But realistically, any offer in the region of £1m with potential add ons, we are doing a deal.

Our business model demands it.

It would also allow us to sign better defenders, which we really need to do.

SK then needs to pull another rabbit out of the hat!

Theo Brer?

thought I do my world famous Grizzly impersonation! 

[robsterwood]

34 minutes ago, StAndrew7 said:

We can't value assets higher than the market says they're actually worth though. That's how a marketplace works.

Bair is worth whatever people are willing to pay for him alongside how much we realistically want for him. You can't ask for £3million for a player with one 6 month period of good form and on a contract worth (in relative terms) buttons.

A million now or nothing in a year. It's not rocket science which is the best option.

So pessimistic. Don't be patronising! I know how a market works thanks. Just think by current market he's worth 3 mil. Much lesser players going for less.

[StAndrew7]

5 minutes ago, robsterwood said:

So pessimistic. Don't be patronising! I know how a market works thanks. Just think by current market he's worth 3 mil. Much lesser players going for less.

Pessimistic? £1million for Theo Bair isn't pessimistic, it's excellent. We got half that for Moult who had two seasons of similar goal tallies.

And I'm assuming you mean lesser players are going for more in the current market; who?

Apologies for the tone; as I've said elsewhere, long day and I'm a bit narky.