wellfan Posted March 14 Report Share Posted March 14 It’s pretty clear that Stama is made of tissue paper, so it’s time to cut our losses at the end of the season and find someone else willing to pay his wages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grizzlyg Posted March 14 Report Share Posted March 14 11 minutes ago, wellfan said: It’s pretty clear that Stama is made of tissue paper, so it’s time to cut our losses at the end of the season and find someone else willing to pay his wages. Injuries just seem to be bad luck rather than anything he was carrying. Definitely a player there but needs a proper run Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellfan Posted March 14 Report Share Posted March 14 3 minutes ago, grizzlyg said: Injuries just seem to be bad luck rather than anything he was carrying. Definitely a player there but needs a proper run I’d be more sympathetic if it was his ankle, but he plays football not handball, so I’ve no idea why he won’t be fit to play for at least 8 weeks. Even with a proper run, as you suggest, there are no signs so far to suggest that he wouldn’t continually breakdown during that either. His run of no less than 3 not insignificant injuries since arriving is very bad luck indeed, but also indicative of someone who’s perhaps not robust enough for his role. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grizzlyg Posted March 14 Report Share Posted March 14 7 minutes ago, wellfan said: I’d be more sympathetic if it was his ankle, but he plays football not handball, so I’ve no idea why he won’t be fit to play for at least 8 weeks. Even with a proper run, as you suggest, there are no signs so far to suggest that he wouldn’t continually breakdown during that either. His run of no less than 3 not insignificant injuries since arriving is very bad luck indeed, but also indicative of someone who’s perhaps not robust enough for his role. We don't know how serious the wrist injury is. Wimmer yesterday was talking about how him and SOD were in contention for Saturday so seems like freakish training ground injury. Wasn't injury prone before we signed him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weeyin Posted March 14 Report Share Posted March 14 8 minutes ago, wellfan said: I’d be more sympathetic if it was his ankle, but he plays football not handball, so I’ve no idea why he won’t be fit to play for at least 8 weeks. I broke my wrist years ago when I fell over in the snow. So little pain involved that I thought I had just sprained it. Turned out the scaphoid bone was fractured and required a bone graft and a titanium screw, because that bone doesn't have much of a blood supply and often won't heal on it own. It was in a cast for 4 or 5 weeks and the surgery damaged all the nerves in my hand - I couldn't even touch the tip of my thumb to the tip of my index finger. I couldn't have played football for about a month after that as any contact to my hand, or worse, falling on it, might have damaged the recovery. And that was a nothing break. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellfan Posted March 14 Report Share Posted March 14 10 minutes ago, grizzlyg said: We don't know how serious the wrist injury is. Wimmer yesterday was talking about how him and SOD were in contention for Saturday so seems like freakish training ground injury. Wasn't injury prone before we signed him Putting the finer details of the wrist injury aside and the point that he wasn’t injury prone before we signed him, the reality now is that he has become very injury prone since we signed him. We apparently paid a large fee for him and he’ll likely be on equally large wages. I don’t want to get into the conspiracies currently being bandied around social media and P&B about him. Therefore, I only question whether this is a loss we can sustain or should we cut it? I suggest the latter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mio Posted March 14 Report Share Posted March 14 8 weeks for a wrist break is mental. Let’s be honest we’ve forked out a reputed £250k plus decent wages on this fella and it’s been a disaster. We can’t really afford to write off a big buy for the season but I just hope he is fit by the summer and gets a full pre season and contributes next year. I think he did show in flashes that he has something…. It’s not as if he’s a John Henry or anything. But AP has caused us more frustration than anything else this year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yoshi-1991 Posted March 14 Report Share Posted March 14 If he was a car you'd be paying off the local bams to take it down the clyde side and burn it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Tosh Posted March 14 Report Share Posted March 14 My sons and I have sponsored his jersey. I best not shake his hand at the POTY dinner or he'll miss pre-season 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grizzlyg Posted March 14 Report Share Posted March 14 17 minutes ago, Big Tosh said: My sons and I have sponsored his jersey. I best not shake his hand at the POTY dinner or he'll miss pre-season Hey Stama!!....High Five!!!.........whoops 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spit_It_Out Posted March 14 Report Share Posted March 14 It's not worked for both parties time to punt him out to clubs back home in the hope we can recoup something out of it. A player maybe there in him seen glimpses of something but I wouldnt want to really rely on him to be fit for a great amount of time during a season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmcalpin Posted March 14 Report Share Posted March 14 2 hours ago, mio said: 8 weeks for a wrist break is mental. Let’s be honest we’ve forked out a reputed £250k plus decent wages on this fella and it’s been a disaster. There's wrist breaks and wrist breaks. He's probably fallen on it. 8 weeks isn't unreasonable for a bad break. My wife had a very bad break a few years ago. Her wrist had broken into umpteen fragments and she required a metal plate and a bone graft. We won't see him again this season. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellfan Posted March 14 Report Share Posted March 14 As it stands, and before his wrist injury, Stama has only featured in 18 of 34 games. His stats by the end of his first full season will likely be 18 from 43 games, no full 90 mins, 5 goals, and 3 medium term injuries. It’s not a great return on our investment, and the chances for it to go a similar way for him next season are now greater given the loads placed on his body appear to keep breaking him. Suffice to say, I don’t think he’s a player we should be relying on for next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grizzlyg Posted March 14 Report Share Posted March 14 1 hour ago, wellfan said: As it stands, and before his wrist injury, Stama has only featured in 18 of 34 games. His stats by the end of his first full season will likely be 18 from 43 games, no full 90 mins, 5 goals, and 3 medium term injuries. It’s not a great return on our investment, and the chances for it to go a similar way for him next season are now greater given the loads placed on his body appear to keep breaking him. Suffice to say, I don’t think he’s a player we should be relying on for next season. Problem is we can't write off £250k just like that. I think with wimmer in and a good pre season he can be an asset. Kettlewell played him as a headless chicken which was bonkers. The wrist injury is just one of those unfortunate freak accidents Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellfan Posted March 14 Report Share Posted March 14 3 minutes ago, grizzlyg said: Problem is we can't write off £250k just like that. I think with wimmer in and a good pre season he can be an asset. Kettlewell played him as a headless chicken which was bonkers. The wrist injury is just one of those unfortunate freak accidents It may be a case of writing off a bad debt as, should things go sour again next season for him, the situation is likely to cost us more as we scramble to sign more cover, again. My view is that it just hasn’t worked for him and us, unfortunately. We should look to rehab him and see if we can reach a reasonable agreement with another club to protect ourselves and get his career back on track. Or we keep him and he becomes an even more costly crock. That’s the risk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuwell2 Posted March 14 Report Share Posted March 14 10 minutes ago, wellfan said: ……. Or we keep him and he becomes an even more costly crock. That’s the risk. Or we keep him and he’s a success next season, we don’t know but no need to panic yet. If he’s the same next season your doom and gloom approach will have been proven correct but I’m not ready to throw him on the scrap heap over an unfortunate season. Many players go through this in their careers and have then become successful at clubs, why can’t he be the same next season? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santheman Posted March 14 Report Share Posted March 14 47 minutes ago, Stuwell2 said: Or we keep him and he’s a success next season, we don’t know but no need to panic yet. If he’s the same next season your doom and gloom approach will have been proven correct but I’m not ready to throw him on the scrap heap over an unfortunate season. Many players go through this in their careers and have then become successful at clubs, why can’t he be the same next season? Me neither. The good thing is all his injuries seem to have been fairly minor one offs in the overall scheme of things. By that I mean non recurring, breaking down from the same injury time and time again or one that has plagued him in the past. He may not at times have displayed the physical or mental attributes needed for this league but I'm happy to see him get a good pre season under his belt and see his family hopefully settled. If it turns out to be a similar pattern next season then maybe we look at the situation again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteelmaninOZ Posted March 14 Report Share Posted March 14 2 hours ago, grizzlyg said: Problem is we can't write off £250k just like that. I think with wimmer in and a good pre season he can be an asset. Kettlewell played him as a headless chicken which was bonkers. The wrist injury is just one of those unfortunate freak accidents I agree with you that Wimmer will give him a chance to improve under him than what Kettlewell did. It’s just too early to write Stama off. COYW 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grizzlyg Posted March 14 Report Share Posted March 14 36 minutes ago, SteelmaninOZ said: I agree with you that Wimmer will give him a chance to improve under him than what Kettlewell did. It’s just too early to write Stama off. COYW Cheers pal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wunderwell Posted March 14 Report Share Posted March 14 He's the best striker at the club and he's got two more years to prove it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderpig Posted March 14 Report Share Posted March 14 58 minutes ago, wunderwell said: He's the best striker at the club and he's got two more years to prove it. The bar is fairly low when it comes to that accolade, Robinson, Ebiye, Watt for example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellfan Posted March 15 Report Share Posted March 15 8 hours ago, santheman said: The good thing is all his injuries seem to have been fairly minor one offs in the overall scheme of things. By that I mean non recurring, breaking down from the same injury time and time again or one that has plagued him in the past. His first injury with us was his hamstring, as was his second. His third is his wrist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellfan Posted March 15 Report Share Posted March 15 9 hours ago, Stuwell2 said: If he’s the same next season your doom and gloom approach will have been proven correct The return on our investment so far has been minimal, so I would suggest my approach here is more of pragmatism than doom and gloom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Dog Posted March 15 Report Share Posted March 15 6 hours ago, wellfan said: His first injury with us was his hamstring, as was his second. His third is his wrist. First was a quad injury v Celtic, I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santheman Posted March 15 Report Share Posted March 15 7 hours ago, wellfan said: His first injury with us was his hamstring, as was his second. His third is his wrist. Sure I read somewhere that his second injury was a torn calf muscle (though I could be wrong). Injuries conducive with being played while not being 100% ready?? In fact edit to add after a quick google. "The centre-forward tore a thigh muscle on his first start and, after hitting his fifth goal of the season against Rangers on December 29, he suffered a calf injury that has sidelined him since". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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