wellfan Posted 23 hours ago Report Share Posted 23 hours ago If the new manager does opt for a 4-3-3, I wonder if the plan is to move forward with McGhee and Gordon as the first-choice CB pairing, with Koutroumbis or McGinn at RB and Wilson at LB. The latter two certainly aren’t wing-backs, but a traditional back four would likely suit them well. We’ve also got SOD and Balmer for cover. That formation gives us scope to bring in a few more players in the wide and central attacking roles, as well as an obvious replacement for Miller. Maybe that’s Fadinger? Anything else? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weeyin Posted 23 hours ago Report Share Posted 23 hours ago Fadinger sounded like a Miller replacement, but even if he is, we could do with 2 players that can fill that role. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewarkfanclub Posted 23 hours ago Report Share Posted 23 hours ago 30 minutes ago, wellfan said: If the new manager does opt for a 4-3-3, I wonder if the plan is to move forward with McGhee and Gordon as the first-choice CB pairing, with Koutroumbis or McGinn at RB and Wilson at LB. The latter two certainly aren’t wing-backs, but a traditional back four would likely suit them well. We’ve also got SOD and Balmer for cover. That formation gives us scope to bring in a few more players in the wide and central attacking roles, as well as an obvious replacement for Miller. Maybe that’s Fadinger? Anything else? If we play a 4 at the back you are probably right in that we dont really need any extra defenders. If we want to play 3 we probably need one thats better than Balmer to ensure he remains a squad player. We probably want that flexibility as it would also allow us to deploy McGhee elsewhere if required. My reading of Fadinger is that he is more of a Spittal type replacement than Miller. With him and Slattery (if we can keep him) together with Wells, Ross and Sparrow we appear to have some decent attacking mid options. Still need the Miller replacement and if we can get Sylla that would be grand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellgirl Posted 23 hours ago Report Share Posted 23 hours ago 2 hours ago, Kmcalpin said: They are unhhappy I believe. Players have their lunch at Fir Park, for example, and that limits hospitality income. Ideally catering and other facilities would be available at our training facilities. There are complications though. Think the issue is where would we build the new facilities particularly if we aren't going to be staying at Fir Park in the long term which is what some fans have suggested Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellgirl Posted 22 hours ago Report Share Posted 22 hours ago 5 hours ago, Stuwell2 said: Wrong, even going back to when Alan Burrows was CEO there has been talk of getting our own training facilities rather than having to change at FP, bus the players up to Dalziel park for training then bus them back to change/do technical analysis etc. If its a good thing for the club - fine. I just don't see the club investing any money we get from Miller in new facilities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stv Posted 22 hours ago Report Share Posted 22 hours ago 25 minutes ago, wellgirl said: Think the issue is where would we build the new facilities particularly if we aren't going to be staying at Fir Park in the long term which is what some fans have suggested Fans may have suggested it but the club have not. I would say we are staying here. Three good stands , one old one and a belter of a playing surface v start from scratch in a soulless new one,somewhere. Staying for the foreseeable. Build facilities some where cheap from scratch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellgirl Posted 22 hours ago Report Share Posted 22 hours ago 3 minutes ago, stv said: Fans may have suggested it but the club have not. I would say we are staying here. Three good stands , one old one and a belter of a playing surface v start from scratch in a soulless new one,somewhere. Staying for the foreseeable. Build facilities some where cheap from scratch. I agree. I would like us to stay at Fir Park - just not sure where the new playing facilities would be - assume maybe the club would need to get permission from the council to build Just having this discussion with my brother and he said the biggest issue is the main stand and the drain on resources Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fizoxy Posted 21 hours ago Report Share Posted 21 hours ago The training facilities have been brought up by the club on multiple occasions, and I'm sure there was a project at Muirhouse that fell through in recent years. When you look at what other clubs have, we're way behind in that regard. My assumption is that we'd look to develop something at the location we currently use. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuwell2 Posted 21 hours ago Report Share Posted 21 hours ago 4 minutes ago, fizoxy said: My assumption is that we'd look to develop something at the location we currently use. I don’t think we own where we train but lease it - or we did a few years ago. I’m sure there was talk before Covid of building on the fields across from where we train now but I sceptical about that as in bad weather it’s always flooded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellgirl Posted 21 hours ago Report Share Posted 21 hours ago We are apparently looking at Crystal Palaces Ola - Adebomi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weeyin Posted 21 hours ago Report Share Posted 21 hours ago 2 minutes ago, Stuwell2 said: sceptical about that as in bad weather it’s always flooded. That also rules out Strathclyde Park. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuwell2 Posted 21 hours ago Report Share Posted 21 hours ago 1 hour ago, wellgirl said: We are apparently looking at Crystal Palaces Ola - Adebomi Just reading about that but can’t seem to post a link Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villageman Posted 20 hours ago Report Share Posted 20 hours ago 3 hours ago, wellfan said: If the new manager does opt for a 4-3-3, I wonder if the plan is to move forward with McGhee and Gordon as the first-choice CB pairing, with Koutroumbis or McGinn at RB and Wilson at LB. The latter two certainly aren’t wing-backs, but a traditional back four would likely suit them well. We’ve also got SOD and Balmer for cover. That formation gives us scope to bring in a few more players in the wide and central attacking roles, as well as an obvious replacement for Miller. Maybe that’s Fadinger? Anything else? Not sure I would want McGhee at CB. When announced his pre contract I started viewing Dee line ups and during their horrendous spell of goals lost he was apparently in that position. Back 3 or 4 we need a new partner for Gordon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellgirl Posted 20 hours ago Report Share Posted 20 hours ago 25 minutes ago, Stuwell2 said: Just reading about that but can’t seem to pass a link It's on twitter - Ben Banks I'm sure. Also on Glasgow world - also Ben Banks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texanwellfan Posted 19 hours ago Report Share Posted 19 hours ago 45 minutes ago, Villageman said: Not sure I would want McGhee at CB. When announced his pre contract I started viewing Dee line ups and during their horrendous spell of goals lost he was apparently in that position. Back 3 or 4 we need a new partner for Gordon. Yep! Definitely need at least 1 solid centre back to go with Gordon and perhaps another for back up. My take on McGhee was that he would be a defensive midfielder, not part of a back 3 or 4. Could put McGinn there at a push but would rather keep him for right full back to fight it out with Koutroumbis for starting position. Or switching them out during games to keep up the energy level needed for an overlapping full back. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MelvinBragg Posted 19 hours ago Report Share Posted 19 hours ago Those wishing us to sign another central defender when we have five players on the books who can play there (actually six as probably Koutroumbis could do a turn there). Whether you rate O'Donnell, McGinn, Balmer and McGhee there (or Gordon for that matter), unless you can shift one of them off the books bringing another one in risks the kind of large unwieldy squad we had last season... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weeyin Posted 19 hours ago Report Share Posted 19 hours ago Playing right backs as central defenders is as productive as playing goalies as number 10s. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Grew Posted 18 hours ago Report Share Posted 18 hours ago 3 hours ago, fizoxy said: When you look at what other clubs have, we're way behind in that regard. We are certainly behind in terms of our stadium. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MelvinBragg Posted 18 hours ago Report Share Posted 18 hours ago 1 hour ago, weeyin said: Playing right backs as central defenders is as productive as playing goalies as number 10s. O'Donnell and McGinn no longer have the energy to play as modern full backs. Whether they have the tools to play centre half is an entirely separate question... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spit_It_Out Posted 18 hours ago Report Share Posted 18 hours ago 1 minute ago, MelvinBragg said: O'Donnell and McGinn no longer have the energy to play as modern full backs. Whether they have the tools to play centre half is an entirely separate question... O'Donnell will never have the tools for cenre back i think we have witnessed that and if he does start in that role then just give us -10 goal differance from the off. And no this isnt picking on him this is the facts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellfan Posted 18 hours ago Report Share Posted 18 hours ago 2 hours ago, Villageman said: Not sure I would want McGhee at CB. When announced his pre contract I started viewing Dee line ups and during their horrendous spell of goals lost he was apparently in that position. Back 3 or 4 we need a new partner for Gordon. His primary position throughout his career has been CB, and he’s listed as a defender on the club’s official squad page. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dennyc Posted 17 hours ago Report Share Posted 17 hours ago 6 minutes ago, wellfan said: His primary position throughout his career has been CB, and he’s listed as a defender on the club’s official squad page. I'm probably miles out here but I vaguely remember him playing right midfield/wingback for Dundee arriving late at the back post a fair few times to knock in a few goals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texanwellfan Posted 17 hours ago Report Share Posted 17 hours ago 1 hour ago, MelvinBragg said: Those wishing us to sign another central defender when we have five players on the books who can play there (actually six as probably Koutroumbis could do a turn there). Whether you rate O'Donnell, McGinn, Balmer and McGhee there (or Gordon for that matter), unless you can shift one of them off the books bringing another one in risks the kind of large unwieldy squad we had last season... I think what we have is a glut of right backs. We need to concentrate on players playing in their best position, although I understand last season we had no choice due to all the injuries. We should at least start the season that way, so I think that just leaves Balmer to partner Gordon and I believe we need to improve on that. I can see McGinn and Koutroumbis sharing playing time at right back as it is going to be hard for either of them to give 100% for 90 mins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purestate Posted 13 hours ago Report Share Posted 13 hours ago I think people are forgetting McGinn’s minimal appearances last season were mostly at centre back., Apart from Hearts game he was pretty woeful. Another year older and greater likelihood of breaking down again I don’t see him as a regular starter in the type of game the new manager seems to want to play. I think he is definitely one I’d be looking to offload/ loan to championship side and bring in fresh legs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewarkfanclub Posted 11 hours ago Report Share Posted 11 hours ago 1 hour ago, purestate said: I think people are forgetting McGinn’s minimal appearances last season were mostly at centre back., Apart from Hearts game he was pretty woeful. Another year older and greater likelihood of breaking down again I don’t see him as a regular starter in the type of game the new manager seems to want to play. I think he is definitely one I’d be looking to offload/ loan to championship side and bring in fresh legs. Not sure we were watching the same guy. He was pretty much our best player until he got the first injury. Not that he had much competition. I agree that there remains a doubt over how much actual football he will be able to play this season but I wouldnt be writing him off just yet. Even in a pressing team, centre backs dont have to do as much running to close down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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