santheman Posted May 28 Report Share Posted May 28 1 hour ago, Kmcalpin said: What a stange and underwhelming list. I've no problems with those being released. However, the "under discussion" list is lengthy and downright odd. I've no problem with discussing terms with Casey, but the others? If we're wanting to clear the decks and freshen the squad up? I get that the managerial situation complicates matters just now but the term "We remain in dialogue with all remaining players, whose personal circumstances are all different." Seems a bit odd. Does that mean option clauses could kick in?" No mention of Matty Connelly who I think is also out of contract and we have 3 signed keeprs already. Pleased that Olly Whyte and Mikey Booth have signed new deals, as they seem highly rated. I go on the premise that ""under discussion with" doesn't equate to "offered terms to". At least I hope not but it is a strange statement albeit under strange circumstances. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellfan Posted May 28 Report Share Posted May 28 12 minutes ago, steelman1991 said: Agreed and probably the reason for the "early bird" extension. Yep. If the new Chairman’s message is for fans to ‘stick with the club’ then perhaps he should listen to the fans desire to cut the bloated squad accumulated by Kettlewell and the previous Board. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weeyin Posted May 28 Report Share Posted May 28 1 hour ago, stv said: Casey if agreeable always gives 100% and scores a few. No thanks. We need to rebuild that central defence with players that don't keep drifting out of position, don't keep losing their man and don't keep giving the ball away. Giving 100% is the bare minimum I expect from anyone in the squad. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weeyin Posted May 28 Report Share Posted May 28 17 minutes ago, wellfan said: Yep. If the new Chairman’s message is for fans to ‘stick with the club’ then perhaps he should listen to the fans desire to cut the bloated squad accumulated by Kettlewell and the previous Board. If the Board listened to the fans, we'd still be in the Championship after Tommy Wright was hired a couple of vacancies ago. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonesy Posted May 28 Report Share Posted May 28 2 hours ago, Yabba's Turd said: Paton likely to end up at Killie? Here's hoping. Seddon, Casey and, at a push, Ebiye are the only ones we should be considering keeping on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewarkfanclub Posted May 28 Report Share Posted May 28 20 minutes ago, weeyin said: No thanks. We need to rebuild that central defence with players that don't keep drifting out of position, don't keep losing their man and don't keep giving the ball away. Giving 100% is the bare minimum I expect from anyone in the squad. I dont disagree with any of that and if Casey moves on I wont be devestated. But there is always a risk with new signings. Moving Mugabi on and getting Balmer and Gordon in didnt stop us losing goals. Sometimes a known quantity you can coach to improve isnt the worst option. (I also get Casey has been here a while now and still switches off). Blaney is gone. But Id rather move Balmer on than Casey. Albeit that is a more difficult thing to do when one is under contract and the other looks like he wants to leave. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grizzlyg Posted May 28 Report Share Posted May 28 21 on list all under contract. It's the ones being discussed that we need to watch. Made my opinions clear before but no way should Thompson get a deal. Also davor been great and showed lot of love to club but time to move on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellon Posted May 28 Report Share Posted May 28 1 hour ago, mfc said: We can't keep both,at this rate there is going to be very little room for improving our god awful defence and it's unbelievable if we're actually trying to keep davor and paton on again,there two bang average players that will take up funds in an area that's almost as bad as our defence is. Don't mind paton, if davor gets a new deal, I despair and relegation beckons( I'm not being recruited to sell season tickets this year gor some reason) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andalg Posted May 28 Report Share Posted May 28 16 minutes ago, grizzlyg said: 21 on list all under contract. It's the ones being discussed that we need to watch. Made my opinions clear before but no way should Thompson get a deal. Also davor been great and showed lot of love to club but time to move on. Maybe SK will swoop for our out of contract ones and solve our problem for us 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellon Posted May 28 Report Share Posted May 28 16 minutes ago, grizzlyg said: 21 on list all under contract. It's the ones being discussed that we need to watch. Made my opinions clear before but no way should Thompson get a deal. Also davor been great and showed lot of love to club but time to move on. No sure what uou mean by showed " a lot of love" and he's not suited for scottish professional football , so hasn't been close to great. Thompson, again, I don't mind, but if it's between him and seddon, I'd probably go for seddon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonesy Posted May 28 Report Share Posted May 28 4 minutes ago, wellon said: Thompson, again, I don't mind, but if it's between him and seddon, I'd probably go for seddon In a choice between Seddon or Thompson, Thompson should be 3rd on the list. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texanwellfan Posted May 28 Report Share Posted May 28 I didn’t really get the dislike of Thompson. I thought he was doing a good job for us. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FirParkCornerExile Posted May 28 Report Share Posted May 28 2 hours ago, Kmcalpin said: What a stange and underwhelming list. I've no problems with those being released. However, the "under discussion" list is lengthy and downright odd. I've no problem with discussing terms with Casey, but the others? If we're wanting to clear the decks and freshen the squad up? I get that the managerial situation complicates matters just now but the term "We remain in dialogue with all remaining players, whose personal circumstances are all different." Seems a bit odd. Does that mean option clauses could kick in?" No mention of Matty Connelly who I think is also out of contract and we have 3 signed keeprs already. Pleased that Olly Whyte and Mikey Booth have signed new deals, as they seem highly rated. We are obviously short of a skilled arm wavers and pointers for the middle of the park as Davor isnt on the list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grizzlyg Posted May 28 Report Share Posted May 28 30 minutes ago, wellon said: No sure what uou mean by showed " a lot of love" and he's not suited for scottish professional football , so hasn't been close to great. Thompson, again, I don't mind, but if it's between him and seddon, I'd probably go for seddon I just mean I loved his enthusiasm. Seddon for me. Apart from putting in 2 decent crosses Thompson hasn't impressed me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellfan Posted May 28 Report Share Posted May 28 1 hour ago, weeyin said: If the Board listened to the fans, we'd still be in the Championship after Tommy Wright was hired a couple of vacancies ago. I’m taking about the new Board and the new Chairman’s plea to fans. The previous Board never listened to the fans and look where that got them. I also imagine it was only a handful of fans and the compliant media calling for Wright to get the gig a few years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grizzlyg Posted May 28 Report Share Posted May 28 16 minutes ago, texanwellfan said: I didn’t really get the dislike of Thompson. I thought he was doing a good job for us. Howdy pal !!!, I don't dislike the guy. I just don't rate him. Think we can do a lot better in that position Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FirParkCornerExile Posted May 28 Report Share Posted May 28 5 minutes ago, grizzlyg said: Howdy pal !!!, I don't dislike the guy. I just don't rate him. Think we can do a lot better in that position He was fine going forward but defensively very shaky, positional sense all over the place. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stv Posted May 28 Report Share Posted May 28 42 minutes ago, andalg said: Maybe SK will swoop for our out of contract ones and solve our problem for us Like St Mirren aka wee well. Worked out OK for them. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spit_It_Out Posted May 28 Report Share Posted May 28 They all need to leave the ones out of contract and players like Balmer and such need to be punted out on a season loan if we can. We need more pace and width this was a big issue last season you keep the same then you get the same results. We have enough retained it's time to add new not stick with the old. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewarkfanclub Posted May 28 Report Share Posted May 28 1 hour ago, texanwellfan said: I didn’t really get the dislike of Thompson. I thought he was doing a good job for us. His inability to be able to pass the ball to someone wearing a Motherwell shirt might have something to do with it. The Celtic game at home, which I think might have been his first, and the last game at Ross County, he did pretty well. But the games in between he was an absolute bombscare. Not the only one, admittedly, but Seddon is a far better player. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villageman Posted May 28 Report Share Posted May 28 Surprisingly no mention of McGhee I'm sure i read that he had made his goodbyes to Dee fans Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unknown Posted May 28 Report Share Posted May 28 11 minutes ago, Villageman said: Surprisingly no mention of McGhee I'm sure i read that he had made his goodbyes to Dee fans Most likely because his contract hasn't officially ended there / started with us yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texanwellfan Posted May 28 Report Share Posted May 28 58 minutes ago, joewarkfanclub said: His inability to be able to pass the ball to someone wearing a Motherwell shirt might have something to do with it. The Celtic game at home, which I think might have been his first, and the last game at Ross County, he did pretty well. But the games in between he was an absolute bombscare. Not the only one, admittedly, but Seddon is a far better player. Oh I agree that Seddon is better and is really like to keep him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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joewarkfanclub Posted May 29 Report Share Posted May 29 8 hours ago, wellgirl said: I would keep Seddon and Casey. Think Seddon has shown enough for a new contract and Id be more than happy to see Casey sign on again. Also don't see the point of signing players just to punt them out on loan although I'm aware it does happen and it happens both ways - Balmer might have his faults but don't really see the point of putting him out on loan particularly as he's only contracted for another season - theres no value to us in putting him out on loan for the last year of his contract. We would get zero from that scenario - he might as well be a squad player for us than going elsewhere. I get that someone else might pick up a proportion of his salary and free up wages for other players - just not convinced that's the best way - but will obviously depend on our new manager whoever that is Balmer as a back up centre half on his own is fine. The fact we have signed up McGinn and SOD as well is the problem. We dont know how many games McGinn is going to be able to play, and I think we all agree (even those of us who think he isnt as bad as he is made out) that SODs appearances should start to be limited as a back up player. That leaves only Gordon as a first pick centre half with little room for manoevre. Especially if we sign Casey on again. If we want to improve the defence we really need to freshen it up. Unless a new manager and Jordan McGhee as CDM becomes some sort of magic bullet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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