Stuwell2 Posted June 12 Report Share Posted June 12 2 hours ago, texanwellfan said: ….. I’m hoping we don’t squander any money on transfers but rather use it to be a bit more competitive on the salary front and enable us to better compete for some higher quality players. To be honest if we can replace Miller with two or three better quality players than we currently have in our squad we won’t miss him that much. With the team and tactics we’ve had the last few years we have not got the best out of him. We basically restricted his ability to play to his full potential by the way we played and the “support” we provided around him. So my comment about not missing him that much is a reflection on Motherwell FC and not on Miller. His talent and ability is there for everyone to to see but we were just never able to take full advantage of it. I suspect that a lot of the money will go on a new training facility as previous managers have said that what we use at the moment is inadequate and has made it difficult for us to sign some players Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuwell2 Posted June 13 Report Share Posted June 13 9 hours ago, wellgirl said: I would very much doubt that. If the club have been happy where we are training and have been for the last few years I don't see them changing that. Wrong, even going back to when Alan Burrows was CEO there has been talk of getting our own training facilities rather than having to change at FP, bus the players up to Dalziel park for training then bus them back to change/do technical analysis etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellup83 Posted June 13 Report Share Posted June 13 On 6/11/2025 at 6:53 PM, wellgirl said: We are apparently in talks with Mo Sylla according to Scott Burns Surprise suprise Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmcalpin Posted June 13 Report Share Posted June 13 14 hours ago, wellgirl said: I would very much doubt that. If the club have been happy where we are training and have been for the last few years I don't see them changing that. They are unhhappy I believe. Players have their lunch at Fir Park, for example, and that limits hospitality income. Ideally catering and other facilities would be available at our training facilities. There are complications though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weeyin Posted June 13 Report Share Posted June 13 I don't know what it's like now, but when I was at school we sometimes played there and I don't think it's unfair to say it had seen better days even then. Catering was tea from an urn and a sausage roll. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellfan Posted June 13 Report Share Posted June 13 If the new manager does opt for a 4-3-3, I wonder if the plan is to move forward with McGhee and Gordon as the first-choice CB pairing, with Koutroumbis or McGinn at RB and Wilson at LB. The latter two certainly aren’t wing-backs, but a traditional back four would likely suit them well. We’ve also got SOD and Balmer for cover. That formation gives us scope to bring in a few more players in the wide and central attacking roles, as well as an obvious replacement for Miller. Maybe that’s Fadinger? Anything else? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weeyin Posted June 13 Report Share Posted June 13 Fadinger sounded like a Miller replacement, but even if he is, we could do with 2 players that can fill that role. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewarkfanclub Posted June 13 Report Share Posted June 13 30 minutes ago, wellfan said: If the new manager does opt for a 4-3-3, I wonder if the plan is to move forward with McGhee and Gordon as the first-choice CB pairing, with Koutroumbis or McGinn at RB and Wilson at LB. The latter two certainly aren’t wing-backs, but a traditional back four would likely suit them well. We’ve also got SOD and Balmer for cover. That formation gives us scope to bring in a few more players in the wide and central attacking roles, as well as an obvious replacement for Miller. Maybe that’s Fadinger? Anything else? If we play a 4 at the back you are probably right in that we dont really need any extra defenders. If we want to play 3 we probably need one thats better than Balmer to ensure he remains a squad player. We probably want that flexibility as it would also allow us to deploy McGhee elsewhere if required. My reading of Fadinger is that he is more of a Spittal type replacement than Miller. With him and Slattery (if we can keep him) together with Wells, Ross and Sparrow we appear to have some decent attacking mid options. Still need the Miller replacement and if we can get Sylla that would be grand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stv Posted June 13 Report Share Posted June 13 25 minutes ago, wellgirl said: Think the issue is where would we build the new facilities particularly if we aren't going to be staying at Fir Park in the long term which is what some fans have suggested Fans may have suggested it but the club have not. I would say we are staying here. Three good stands , one old one and a belter of a playing surface v start from scratch in a soulless new one,somewhere. Staying for the foreseeable. Build facilities some where cheap from scratch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fizoxy Posted June 13 Report Share Posted June 13 The training facilities have been brought up by the club on multiple occasions, and I'm sure there was a project at Muirhouse that fell through in recent years. When you look at what other clubs have, we're way behind in that regard. My assumption is that we'd look to develop something at the location we currently use. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuwell2 Posted June 13 Report Share Posted June 13 4 minutes ago, fizoxy said: My assumption is that we'd look to develop something at the location we currently use. I don’t think we own where we train but lease it - or we did a few years ago. I’m sure there was talk before Covid of building on the fields across from where we train now but I sceptical about that as in bad weather it’s always flooded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weeyin Posted June 13 Report Share Posted June 13 2 minutes ago, Stuwell2 said: sceptical about that as in bad weather it’s always flooded. That also rules out Strathclyde Park. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuwell2 Posted June 13 Report Share Posted June 13 1 hour ago, wellgirl said: We are apparently looking at Crystal Palaces Ola - Adebomi Just reading about that but can’t seem to post a link Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villageman Posted June 13 Report Share Posted June 13 3 hours ago, wellfan said: If the new manager does opt for a 4-3-3, I wonder if the plan is to move forward with McGhee and Gordon as the first-choice CB pairing, with Koutroumbis or McGinn at RB and Wilson at LB. The latter two certainly aren’t wing-backs, but a traditional back four would likely suit them well. We’ve also got SOD and Balmer for cover. That formation gives us scope to bring in a few more players in the wide and central attacking roles, as well as an obvious replacement for Miller. Maybe that’s Fadinger? Anything else? Not sure I would want McGhee at CB. When announced his pre contract I started viewing Dee line ups and during their horrendous spell of goals lost he was apparently in that position. Back 3 or 4 we need a new partner for Gordon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texanwellfan Posted June 13 Report Share Posted June 13 45 minutes ago, Villageman said: Not sure I would want McGhee at CB. When announced his pre contract I started viewing Dee line ups and during their horrendous spell of goals lost he was apparently in that position. Back 3 or 4 we need a new partner for Gordon. Yep! Definitely need at least 1 solid centre back to go with Gordon and perhaps another for back up. My take on McGhee was that he would be a defensive midfielder, not part of a back 3 or 4. Could put McGinn there at a push but would rather keep him for right full back to fight it out with Koutroumbis for starting position. Or switching them out during games to keep up the energy level needed for an overlapping full back. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MelvinBragg Posted June 13 Report Share Posted June 13 Those wishing us to sign another central defender when we have five players on the books who can play there (actually six as probably Koutroumbis could do a turn there). Whether you rate O'Donnell, McGinn, Balmer and McGhee there (or Gordon for that matter), unless you can shift one of them off the books bringing another one in risks the kind of large unwieldy squad we had last season... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weeyin Posted June 13 Report Share Posted June 13 Playing right backs as central defenders is as productive as playing goalies as number 10s. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Grew Posted June 13 Report Share Posted June 13 3 hours ago, fizoxy said: When you look at what other clubs have, we're way behind in that regard. We are certainly behind in terms of our stadium. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MelvinBragg Posted June 13 Report Share Posted June 13 1 hour ago, weeyin said: Playing right backs as central defenders is as productive as playing goalies as number 10s. O'Donnell and McGinn no longer have the energy to play as modern full backs. Whether they have the tools to play centre half is an entirely separate question... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spit_It_Out Posted June 13 Report Share Posted June 13 1 minute ago, MelvinBragg said: O'Donnell and McGinn no longer have the energy to play as modern full backs. Whether they have the tools to play centre half is an entirely separate question... O'Donnell will never have the tools for cenre back i think we have witnessed that and if he does start in that role then just give us -10 goal differance from the off. And no this isnt picking on him this is the facts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellfan Posted June 13 Report Share Posted June 13 2 hours ago, Villageman said: Not sure I would want McGhee at CB. When announced his pre contract I started viewing Dee line ups and during their horrendous spell of goals lost he was apparently in that position. Back 3 or 4 we need a new partner for Gordon. His primary position throughout his career has been CB, and he’s listed as a defender on the club’s official squad page. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dennyc Posted June 13 Report Share Posted June 13 6 minutes ago, wellfan said: His primary position throughout his career has been CB, and he’s listed as a defender on the club’s official squad page. I'm probably miles out here but I vaguely remember him playing right midfield/wingback for Dundee arriving late at the back post a fair few times to knock in a few goals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texanwellfan Posted June 13 Report Share Posted June 13 1 hour ago, MelvinBragg said: Those wishing us to sign another central defender when we have five players on the books who can play there (actually six as probably Koutroumbis could do a turn there). Whether you rate O'Donnell, McGinn, Balmer and McGhee there (or Gordon for that matter), unless you can shift one of them off the books bringing another one in risks the kind of large unwieldy squad we had last season... I think what we have is a glut of right backs. We need to concentrate on players playing in their best position, although I understand last season we had no choice due to all the injuries. We should at least start the season that way, so I think that just leaves Balmer to partner Gordon and I believe we need to improve on that. I can see McGinn and Koutroumbis sharing playing time at right back as it is going to be hard for either of them to give 100% for 90 mins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purestate Posted June 13 Report Share Posted June 13 I think people are forgetting McGinn’s minimal appearances last season were mostly at centre back., Apart from Hearts game he was pretty woeful. Another year older and greater likelihood of breaking down again I don’t see him as a regular starter in the type of game the new manager seems to want to play. I think he is definitely one I’d be looking to offload/ loan to championship side and bring in fresh legs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewarkfanclub Posted June 14 Report Share Posted June 14 1 hour ago, purestate said: I think people are forgetting McGinn’s minimal appearances last season were mostly at centre back., Apart from Hearts game he was pretty woeful. Another year older and greater likelihood of breaking down again I don’t see him as a regular starter in the type of game the new manager seems to want to play. I think he is definitely one I’d be looking to offload/ loan to championship side and bring in fresh legs. Not sure we were watching the same guy. He was pretty much our best player until he got the first injury. Not that he had much competition. I agree that there remains a doubt over how much actual football he will be able to play this season but I wouldnt be writing him off just yet. Even in a pressing team, centre backs dont have to do as much running to close down. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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