wellsince75 Posted May 18 Report Share Posted May 18 Great to see us play a bit of football. Several games under Wimmer has let to c20 shots in a game . looking forward to seeing how we shape up next season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weeyin Posted May 18 Report Share Posted May 18 2 hours ago, dinnae-punt-it said: SODs sells so many goals, I’m hoping MW tells him he isn’t going to be a first team starter next year, which may convince him to move on. The whole defence sells goals and has done for at least the past 3 seasons. That's why it needs to be ripped up and rebuilt from scratch. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prideoflanarkshire Posted May 18 Report Share Posted May 18 Just home from the game and for the first time in a long time i am absolutely disgusted by some of the fans today. The treatment, constant booing and down right shocking shouts about some of our players is shocking. You lot need to take a look at yourselves. SOD got it all game from start to finish especially from the back row behind the goals. Shocking. He wasn't the only player having a stinker in the first half. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllyMax Posted May 18 Report Share Posted May 18 5 minutes ago, prideoflanarkshire said: Just home from the game and for the first time in a long time i am absolutely disgusted by some of the fans today. The treatment, constant booing and down right shocking shouts about some of our players is shocking. You lot need to take a look at yourselves. SOD got it all game from start to finish especially from the back row behind the goals. Shocking. He wasn't the only player having a stinker in the first half. Since we've gone through a fair portion of this season without a full compliment of fit central defenders, SOD has been asked, by two different managers, to fulfill a role that he's not suited to. To me, he deserves to be cut a bit of slack for that. He's come out and done what he was asked to do. I don't think he'd be anyone's first choice central defender, but two managers have decided that he was the best option available to them. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewarkfanclub Posted May 18 Report Share Posted May 18 Thought we were very poor first half. Very disjointed and couldnt seem to string more than 2 passes together. Much better second half after the changes. Just wish Wimmer was able to get the team selection rigjt feom the start. He could save us a lot of angst! Andrews was very good in possession and helped Halliday and Miller no end. Shame he is gonna be outwith our price range next season. Moses had a great 45 minutes causing absolute mayhem as only he can! We should really have won the game with the chances we created, but cant be too sniffy about a draw after the first half. Time for a rest and re-charge the batteries. Really looking forward to seeing what Herr Wimmer does with the squad. Plenty positive signs. If he can get the right signings in next season could be quite exciting! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewarkfanclub Posted May 18 Report Share Posted May 18 15 minutes ago, wellgirl said: I feel a bit sorry for Moses to be fair. He was supposed to go out on loan to Thistle and that didn't happen. He apparently wanted away because he wasn't getting the minutes but I'll be very surprised if he's here next season I was chatting to my brother earlier and he said the only player out of the ones that are out of contract that he would like to retain is Seddon - but apparently we have an option on him? Also didn't realise we got another goal chalked off (Slattery) for being offside Moses has been great coming off the bench the last 2 games. Im not suggesting that he should he our starting striker. But he does appear to be a good iption off the bench if he was happy to fulfil that role and isnt costing us too much. That said, we still have Robinson and Stuparevic on the books, so maybe not realisitic to keep him, evein if he was amenable. Will need to see the disallowed goal again. Couldnt see too much wrong with it, bit there was a lot going on in the box so hard to tell...... Would defo keep Seddon. He is one of the better defenders we have at the club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texanwellfan Posted May 18 Report Share Posted May 18 1 minute ago, joewarkfanclub said: Moses has been great coming off the bench the last 2 games. Im not suggesting that he should he our starting striker. But he does appear to be a good iption off the bench if he was happy to fulfil that role and isnt costing us too much. That said, we still have Robinson and Stuparevic on the books, so maybe not realisitic to keep him, evein if he was amenable. Will need to see the disallowed goal again. Couldnt see too much wrong with it, bit there was a lot going on in the box so hard to tell...... Would defo keep Seddon. He is one of the better defenders we have at the club. Apparently 2 goals chalked off. I only saw one as I had to step away now and again. Definitely Moses was offside when Sparrow’s shot hit the post Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texanwellfan Posted May 18 Report Share Posted May 18 21 minutes ago, wellgirl said: Was there? Who else got a goal chalked off apart from Slattery I forgot one was chalked off in first half Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grizzlyg Posted May 18 Report Share Posted May 18 2 hours ago, prideoflanarkshire said: Just home from the game and for the first time in a long time i am absolutely disgusted by some of the fans today. The treatment, constant booing and down right shocking shouts about some of our players is shocking. You lot need to take a look at yourselves. SOD got it all game from start to finish especially from the back row behind the goals. Shocking. He wasn't the only player having a stinker in the first half. That is why I don't go to away games Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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stv Posted May 19 Report Share Posted May 19 Let's face facts about SOD. He's a liability in centre defence role. That's another game yesterday that he gave ball straight to an opponent which led to a goal. He has been doing this since returning from injury mid season, leading to numerous lost goals and consequently lost or drawn games. The guy is well past his sell by date at SPL leval. Not picking on him just looking at the facts and performances in front of me. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellsince75 Posted May 19 Report Share Posted May 19 8 hours ago, wellgirl said: I was chatting to my brother earlier and he said the only player out of the ones that are out of contract that he would like to retain is Seddon - but apparently we have an option on him? When we signed him the press stated an option for a 2nd year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellup83 Posted May 19 Report Share Posted May 19 11 hours ago, prideoflanarkshire said: Just home from the game and for the first time in a long time i am absolutely disgusted by some of the fans today. The treatment, constant booing and down right shocking shouts about some of our players is shocking. You lot need to take a look at yourselves. SOD got it all game from start to finish especially from the back row behind the goals. Shocking. He wasn't the only player having a stinker in the first half. There's a boy sits down from me in the Hunter who gives O'Donnell pelters every game and last Wednesday was no different. You'd think O'Donnell had pumped his Mrs the abuse he dishes out. We should never be subjecting our own players to that kind of treatment regardless of their performance. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weeyin Posted May 19 Report Share Posted May 19 6 hours ago, stv said: Let's face facts about SOD. He's a liability in centre defence role. Of course he is. He's never a central defender in a million years and only got wedged in there because we had zero other options. Casey on the other hand is supposed to be an actual central defender and has been responsible for shipping goals along with Blaney and even Gordon since he arrived. That's why we need a rebuild of the entire central defence. I promise now that I'm not going to mention a complete defensive rebuild again until the League Cup group stages. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dinnae-punt-it Posted May 19 Report Share Posted May 19 3 minutes ago, weeyin said: Of course he is. He's never a central defender in a million years and only got wedged in there because we had zero other options. Casey on the other hand is supposed to be an actual central defender and has been responsible for shipping goals along with Blaney and even Gordon since he arrived. That's why we need a rebuild of the entire central defence. I promise now that I'm not going to mention a complete defensive rebuild again until the League Cup group stages. SODs is murder at right back too. Terrible in any position. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dennyc Posted May 19 Report Share Posted May 19 25 minutes ago, weeyin said: Of course he is. He's never a central defender in a million years and only got wedged in there because we had zero other options. Casey on the other hand is supposed to be an actual central defender and has been responsible for shipping goals along with Blaney and even Gordon since he arrived. That's why we need a rebuild of the entire central defence. I promise now that I'm not going to mention a complete defensive rebuild again until the League Cup group stages. Agree re SOD. He had a nightmare first half although like the rest he improved second half. But no way can he be a first choice next season. Casey does have his faults but he is streets ahead of Blaney and Balmer and is no worse than Gordon who appears to get an easy ride from the fans. Folk appear to have forgotten how poor Gordon was before his head injury. Sluggish, poor distribution and decision making questionable. Rash at times. We need to come up with a central pairing that actually gel as a pair in a back four and lately Casey has been nowhere near as poor as he was for a spell earlier in the season. On recent evidence we have seen that Katroumbis and Seddon can do a decent job at full back and I still have hopes that Wilson has something to contribute. So that should help the central defence issue. Just unearth the correct pairing and play a defensive midfielder that actually provides some protection. Casey was one of our best players against Kilmarnock, even playing alongside SOD. With the correct partner I believe he has something to offer. Might not matter though if the Hearts rumour from January is accurate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texanwellfan Posted May 19 Report Share Posted May 19 We started the season with McGinn Gordon and Casey as the back 3 and looked solid but then injuries cut that short and didn’t allow us to play it for very long at all. I wonder if it would have lasted or would have lapsed into Swiss cheese after a few more games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmcalpin Posted May 19 Report Share Posted May 19 I'm with Weeyin on this - we need to get our central defence and wing backs sorted out. I'd also like to add a midfield destroyer to protect and shield the defence. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weeyin Posted May 19 Report Share Posted May 19 Even beside Gordon, Casey has struggled. As I have said before, I can see the attributes Casey brings to the team. He is full of energy and great at disrupting things further up the field, and can be a wrecking machine in the oppositon box at set pieces. Defensively, he is often out of position, loses his man regularly, and puts us back under pressure with his poor passing - either passing to the opposition, or making the wrong choice of team mate. It's not like we haven't given our central defenders an opportunity to prove themselves over the past few seasons. They have just continuously failed to deliver. I'm sure it gets inside their head too, and they all might benefit from a fresh start at a new club as much as we'd benefit from a new central unit. I honestly can't think of any combination I see line up on a Saturday and think "that looks solid" 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weeyin Posted May 19 Report Share Posted May 19 24 minutes ago, wellgirl said: I like Gordon and Casey and Id keep them both 63 goals against and -17 goal difference like? If we had conceded 10 or 12 less, we'd have been playing in Europe next season. I just don't see that happening with any combination we have on our books. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dennyc Posted May 19 Report Share Posted May 19 2 hours ago, weeyin said: Defensively, he is often out of position, loses his man regularly, and puts us back under pressure with his poor passing - either passing to the opposition, or making the wrong choice of team mate. That could be said of every single one of our central defenders. On a regular basis. And at least two are poorer than Casey. Can anyone name me one it does not apply to this season? A couple might be marginally better than Mugabi and Lamie but that's not a high bar. I would happily see us move all four on and start again. But I know that's not going to happen as other areas will need addressing and existing contracts and budget will dictate. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
well_said Posted May 19 Report Share Posted May 19 3 hours ago, wellgirl said: Gordon is still under contract. So he's not not going anywhere - and I would keep Casey but Casey is probably off and it's down to Wimmer anyway as to who stays I absolutely get our shortcomings - not trying to make light of them. Doesn't really matter what I think - up to Wimmer Wether players are under contract or not they can still be sold or contracts paid off to leave the club, this is not a new phenomenon as kettlewell proved by moving on a number of players in his time as manager , only to replace them with worse options. So if the right offer comes in wee Calum will be gone . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Dog Posted May 19 Report Share Posted May 19 1 hour ago, wellgirl said: Also not sure who Kettlewell moved on - am sure he moved players out on loan. Danzaki, Efford and McGinley all had contracts which were terminated by SK. There may have been others but those are the three that spring to mind. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Dog Posted May 19 Report Share Posted May 19 Just now, wellgirl said: Danzaki was a bit of a shit show to be fair. Nothing online to say how he departed just that he left. Mcginley apparently departed by mutual consent - Efford too. Yep, so SK moved them on. SK said quite a lot about Danzaki at the time and not much of it was good. Ultimately, a club was found for him and a deal made so that Motherwell wouldn't have to pay off the remainder of his contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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