wellsince75 Posted September 21 Report Share Posted September 21 14 minutes ago, wellfan said: This is one of the common comments about Stama that I really disagree with. It’s a two-way street. He’s had plenty of good service, only to fluff his lines or be caught on his heels. A better centre forward would also find more space and make penetrating runs that create better opportunities, allowing teammates to provide even better service. Agree with you that’s it’s two way street and not for a minute am I saying he’s proving to be a great asset at the moment . Theres no debate re him missing chances as the stats are the stats . He has missed and fluffed his lines and yes we should expect a decent goal return . my impression (which is subjective and could be wrong ) is he has ability and really struggling for confidence . I suspect once he gets a goal or 2 he’ll bang in a decent return . Hope I’m right and equally concerned that the longer the drought the tougher it becomes to turn it around 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewarkfanclub Posted September 21 Report Share Posted September 21 1 hour ago, wellfan said: This is one of the common comments about Stama that I really disagree with. It’s a two-way street. He’s had plenty of good service, only to fluff his lines or be caught on his heels. A better centre forward would also find more space and make penetrating runs that create better opportunities, allowing teammates to provide even better service. I totally agree that Stama should have scored more goals than he has this season. The header in the second half yesterday, the one he just failed to connect with (which was similar to the one at Dundee last week where he hurt himself) are all good examples. But he is doing a lot right and has also been a bit unlucky with some of his chances (the header in the first half yesterday which was cleared of the line). His run and pass to RCC yesterday was also excellent and should have resulted in a goal. Im not aiming this at you specifically, but there is a desire in modern society to want things immediately and there is very little patience shown for anything, particularly in the footballing world (see The Rainjurs). We saw it with Higdon and Sutton when they arrived, more recently with Bair and now Stama. I get that he has been with us for over a year now, but he had a lot to contend with last season and this is the first real run at the team he has had. He is working hard, his hold up play is good and he is getting into good areas. I agree he should be doing that more and probably a bit earlier than he has been, but like a lot of our other players yesterday, mistakes will be made and I wouldnt expect to see the best version of us for a few months yet (which is why this is all pretty exciting). Like you say, there is nothing we can do about it now until January, so we need to hope that Stama does indeed develop or that Hendry can get fit and challenge him for his place and maybe push him on. The good thing is that regardless of how many he scores we still have goals in the team. By January we should know whether he is gonna be another Moult or just a Connor Shields...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellfan Posted September 21 Report Share Posted September 21 10 minutes ago, joewarkfanclub said: His run and pass to RCC yesterday was also excellent and should have resulted in a goal. That was about the only good thing Stama did yesterday, and RCC could not finish it. Credit where it is due, he made a smart run in behind and delivered a good pass, but I cannot help thinking that if it had been KVV, Moult, or Bair, they would have buried it themselves instead of squaring it. To me, that says it all. He is not a proper centre forward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellfan Posted September 21 Report Share Posted September 21 59 minutes ago, wellsince75 said: Hope I’m right and equally concerned that the longer the drought the tougher it becomes to turn it around I hope you’re right too. But the longer this goes on, the more that reported £800K valuation will be gone by the end of the season, which is year two of his three-year contract. Then what? We’re just going to have to write off an expensive loss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderpig Posted September 21 Report Share Posted September 21 11 minutes ago, wellfan said: I hope you’re right too. But the longer this goes on, the more that reported £800K valuation will be gone by the end of the season, which is year two of his three-year contract. Then what? We’re just going to have to write off an expensive loss. The media are beginning to notice our lack of an effective no 9, with the quote below from the BBC "A more clinical striker would have put this game to bed as Apostolos Stamatelopoulos spurned several chances," "Spurned several chances" i really hope that's not his tag line for the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewarkfanclub Posted September 21 Report Share Posted September 21 38 minutes ago, Spiderpig said: The media are beginning to notice our lack of an effective no 9, with the quote below from the BBC "A more clinical striker would have put this game to bed as Apostolos Stamatelopoulos spurned several chances," "Spurned several chances" i really hope that's not his tag line for the season. Are we really jumping on BBC reporting to re-inforce a point? He spurned 2 chances. Neither of which were actual sitters. He may turn out not to be the striker we are looking for, but lets at least stay objective about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MelvinBragg Posted September 21 Report Share Posted September 21 1 minute ago, joewarkfanclub said: but lets at least stay objective about it. Are you new around here?!?! My thoughts on Stamatelopolous are like yours, somewhere in the middle.. He's missed some chances that I think he should have taken but has not looked like the total dud some are convinced he is (and feel they have to come on and point out after every game). Some of the instinctive goals he scored last season suggested there was a player there. This season has been disappointing for him but I'm not writing him off... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewarkfanclub Posted September 21 Report Share Posted September 21 1 hour ago, wellfan said: I hope you’re right too. But the longer this goes on, the more that reported £800K valuation will be gone by the end of the season, which is year two of his three-year contract. Then what? We’re just going to have to write off an expensive loss. Every transfer is a gamble. We got £1.7m last year for a striker that cost us nothing. Kettlewell gets a lot of credit for that, but he also signed Ross Callachan, Stuparevic and Nicholson. Given that Jens didnt sign Stama and he has had a pretty big rebuild job on his hands, I think he and the club need to be given a little bit of slack on the £800k thing. Its all well and good to say we shoulda took the money, but you still need to replace him. We tried with Hendry, Sule and Osong and right now Stama is the only one even half fit for purpose, and thats before we even work out how much of the £800k was coming to us as profit. Also, the player has to want to move as well...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texanwellfan Posted September 21 Report Share Posted September 21 I’m hoping we can keep all or most of our players (and manager too, of course) into next season at least. Even Just once, it would be great to see us playing well, qualify for Europe and compete in Europe with same Players that got us there and not a whole new team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stv Posted September 21 Report Share Posted September 21 16 minutes ago, texanwellfan said: I’m hoping we can keep all or most of our players (and manager too, of course) into next season at least. Even Just once, it would be great to see us playing well, qualify for Europe and compete in Europe with same Players that got us there and not a whole new team. Steady now. Let's not get carried away it was only a win over a shite Aberdeen team that hadn't scored in 5 games ..🙄 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJC Posted September 21 Report Share Posted September 21 1 hour ago, texanwellfan said: I’m hoping we can keep all or most of our players (and manager too, of course) into next season at least. Even Just once, it would be great to see us playing well, qualify for Europe and compete in Europe with same Players that got us there and not a whole new team. “Jim (Jimbo) Gannon is the messiah” ”Potentially our best manager since wee Tommy” ”Football is exquisite” ”I was telling the taxi driver last night how Ross Forbes and Paul Slane will be tearing it up for Scotland in Euro 2012” Calm down, we still haven’t won a league game yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texanwellfan Posted September 21 Report Share Posted September 21 4 minutes ago, MJC said: “Jim (Jimbo) Gannon is the messiah” ”Potentially our best manager since wee Tommy” ”Football is exquisite” ”I was telling the taxi driver last night how Ross Forbes and Paul Slane will be tearing it up for Scotland in Euro 2012” Calm down, we still haven’t won a league game yet. I am the anti MJC. 😂 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richie Posted September 21 Report Share Posted September 21 St Mirren in Semi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mio Posted September 21 Report Share Posted September 21 Oh ya fkn dancer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grizzlyg Posted September 21 Report Share Posted September 21 1 minute ago, Richie said: St Mirren in Semi They will pump us 3-0 as yet again we bottle it. Just getting in ahead of MJC!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderpig Posted September 21 Report Share Posted September 21 5 minutes ago, Richie said: St Mirren in Semi Great draw, some SPFL officials will be looking for another job tomorrow though as its not went to plan 🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texanwellfan Posted September 21 Report Share Posted September 21 Both teams will fancy their chances. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richie Posted September 21 Report Share Posted September 21 Would imagine we'd be the sat 3pm also. They'll likely put OF on the Sun will they not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villageman Posted September 21 Report Share Posted September 21 Craigan must have ignored the SPA/SPL instruction on what order to pick the balls out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJC Posted September 21 Report Share Posted September 21 1 minute ago, Richie said: Would imagine we'd be the sat 3pm also. They'll likely put OF on the Sun will they not? 5.30pm on the Saturday night if the last few years are anything to go by! And there is no way the police will let the OF kick off at that time on a Saturday so I think it’s nailed on to be Sat 1st Nov. It’s a good draw but losing to St.Mirren in a Semi Final would be ten times worse than losing to one of the big two. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richie Posted September 21 Report Share Posted September 21 Maybe they just wanted to guarantee an OF game 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellup83 Posted September 21 Report Share Posted September 21 Would rather have faced Rangers 😁 All jokes aside, a great chance here to reach another final. COYW!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weeyin Posted September 21 Report Share Posted September 21 1 minute ago, MJC said: 5.30pm on the Saturday night if the last few years are anything to go by! And there is no way the police will let the OF kick off at that time on a Saturday so I think it’s nailed on to be Sat 1st Nov. It’s a good draw but losing to St.Mirren in a Semi Final would be ten times worse than losing to one of the big two. Nothing comes close to losing to Airdrie in a semi final (replay). All the others have been water off a duck's back, and a loss here would be no different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richie Posted September 21 Report Share Posted September 21 Losing to St Mirren would be worse in terms of hindsight, but losing to the OF at Hampden can be excruciating. Guaranteed to be cheering someone on in the final at least Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJC Posted September 21 Report Share Posted September 21 4 minutes ago, Villageman said: Craigan must have ignored the SPA/SPL instruction on what order to pick the balls out Another blow to the muppets who pedal this nonsensical conspiracy that Cup draws are fixed to keep the Old Firm apart until the Final. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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