Rangers v Motherwell 27/12/2025

[Kmcalpin]

35 minutes ago, wellon said:

Most goals are preventable, I think the priority has to be a striker for this team, if that means neglecting other areas , fair dues 

Longelo isn't best defensively but usually strong going forward, it's maybe something we need to live with

We deserve something from this season,  even if it's a European spot or a cup win, it would be galling to have this great fitba  not achieve anything. 

Agreed. Many now accept that we aren't converting good possession based football into actual goals. Our priority needs to be the strikers.  I can envisage 2 or 3 players leaving, maybe 4 if Welsh moves back to Celtic.  2 or 3 incoming including a striker, central defender and left back cover. 

A lot will depend on which players leave. I don't think yesterday's game will influence that, albeit that we've failed to score in 4 of our last 6 games.   

[texanwellfan]

Does anyone know for sure if VAR team reviewed the incident or not. Watching the game on MFCTV I got the impression that they never even reviewed it but that’s just my impression. I was screaming PK when it happened. 

[texanwellfan]

It’s hard on us coming away from that with no points. Rangers ended up getting a lot of chances towards the end as we flung everything forward. To go to Ibrox and have 55% posession is something I don’t think a Motherwell team has done in a long long time. Keep in mind we also played without our top scorer amd I think Cook coukd also have made a difference. We made enough good chances to where we could have scored at least one goal but as we all know, that is our weakness at the moment. We just have to be hopeful that we can fix that in January but understandable if we have to wait till next season. 
While it’s a disappointing result, I’m not disappointed in our performance and I think it’s a fair statement to say that Rangers are no better a team than us, so with half the season still to go we still have a lot to play for. 

[claretband]

Does anyone know for sure if VAR team reviewed the incident or not. Watching the game on MFCTV I got the impression that they never even reviewed it but that’s just my impression. I was screaming PK when it happened. 

As I understand it they should be watching everything. So then decided it wasn’t worthy of review. Could anyone confirm if that’s how it works?


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[weeyin]

I thought everyone knew that Rangers VAR doesn't review that kind of incident.

[yosemite sam]

That just tells you everything that is wrong with Scottish Football. Everybody (except Rangers fans) can see it was a penalty. Take that same situation up the other end and a penalty would be awarded.

[Orinoco]

Apparently same referee gave the rangers a last gasp penalty against dundee utd in the 2 all draw.  Saw that funny enough.

Even with the new technolegy the officials have got worse. Collum was an awful referee and now he oversees all officials. 

Someone mentioned we have had six penalties all given by VAR. As the referees missed the offences. Not sure if thats correct, but it would not suprise me.

[wellfan]

We all need to accept that VAR simply doesn’t work for smaller teams. In Scotland, when most officials are either biased or incompetent, and subjectivity is allowed to operate a supposedly objective technology, smaller clubs have no chance of being treated fairly. It’s cheating, with the same people acting as judge, jury, and executioner. We won’t get fair refereeing in our game until bigotry and ignorance stop being tolerated, let alone celebrated.

[MJC]

It looked a stonewaller right enough but this “blatant cheating” and “conspiracy” nonsense is just that. Nonsense. 
 

If that really were the case then we simply would not get any decision in our favour in games like these because if that ridiculous theory is to be believed then match officials along with VAR would be so brazen as to look at a decision for us/against them and know fine well what the correct decision is yet decide to give the complete opposite one. Thus opening themselves up to media scrutiny ‘trial by Sportscene’ and in some cases having their reputation and their character dragged through the mud. Any decision that goes in favour of Rangers whether justified or not is poured over, looked at from every possible angle and subjected to a level of scrutiny that decisions involving no other side would get. So why then would match officials willingly put themselves in that position when they know what is coming their way??

I will say this again. Having looked at it it WAS a penalty for us and it should have been given. I don’t know why it wasn’t. But as has been seen all too often decisions by onfield officials and VAR have been inconsistent and in some cases downright baffling. For example, Kofi Balmer’s red card against Kilmarnock last season given by VAR which was subsequently overturned. I didn’t hear anyone stamping their feet and howling about cheating and conspiracies about that.

[wellfan]

21 minutes ago, MJC said:

It looked a stonewaller right enough but this “blatant cheating” and “conspiracy” nonsense is just that. Nonsense. 
 

If that really were the case then we simply would not get any decision in our favour in games like these because if that ridiculous theory is to be believed then match officials along with VAR would be so brazen as to look at a decision for us/against them and know fine well what the correct decision is yet decide to give the complete opposite one. Thus opening themselves up to media scrutiny ‘trial by Sportscene’ and in some cases having their reputation and their character dragged through the mud. Any decision that goes in favour of Rangers whether justified or not is poured over, looked at from every possible angle and subjected to a level of scrutiny that decisions involving no other side would get. So why then would match officials willingly put themselves in that position when they know what is coming their way??

I will say this again. Having looked at it it WAS a penalty for us and it should have been given. I don’t know why it wasn’t. But as has been seen all too often decisions by onfield officials and VAR have been inconsistent and in some cases downright baffling. For example, Kofi Balmer’s red card against Kilmarnock last season given by VAR which was subsequently overturned. I didn’t hear anyone stamping their feet and howling about cheating and conspiracies about that.

My point isn’t that officials are secretly plotting every decision to conspire against teams. It’s that the system lets bias run unchecked, especially in big moments. VAR hides subjectivity behind supposed objectivity. Smaller clubs keep getting screwed, and the media only shouts as loud as its viewership, while the same officials face zero consequences because the likes of Collum keep calling things honest mistakes. If nothing changes and the same clubs keep benefiting, it isn’t random or nonsense, it’s cheating in plain sight.

[MJC]

29 minutes ago, wellfan said:

My point isn’t that officials are secretly plotting every decision to conspire against teams. It’s that the system lets bias run unchecked, especially in big moments. VAR hides subjectivity behind supposed objectivity. Smaller clubs keep getting screwed, and the media only shouts as loud as its viewership, while the same officials face zero consequences because the likes of Collum keep calling things honest mistakes. If nothing changes and the same clubs keep benefiting, it isn’t random or nonsense, it’s cheating in plain sight.

You would have a point I think if the media weren’t going out of their way to highlight every questionable decision that goes in Rangers favour. But they do. Yesterday’s alone is being described as ‘controversial’ which it was and that’s before you take into account the hysteria over “Penalty to Rangers” a couple of years ago which not very subtly implied that every penalty Rangers get is dodgy and also that they get more penalties than any other side, the latter being easily disproven by facts but that didn’t stop the narrative being pushed.

[star sail]

58 minutes ago, MJC said:

You would have a point I think if the media weren’t going out of their way to highlight every questionable decision that goes in Rangers favour. But they do. Yesterday’s alone is being described as ‘controversial’ which it was and that’s before you take into account the hysteria over “Penalty to Rangers” a couple of years ago which not very subtly implied that every penalty Rangers get is dodgy and also that they get more penalties than any other side, the latter being easily disproven by facts but that didn’t stop the narrative being pushed.

Spoken like a true Rangers fan. 😉 

I don't see anything being made of yesterday's wrong decision. It is controversial because it was wrong but there is very little to no coverage about it.

The one for me that is indefensible was the handball v Livingston at Ibrox. It is a real stretch to say that officials cheat but that is as close to it as I have seen. 

An absolute stonewall penalty denied because Livingston were playing Rangers at Ibrox. 

[wellfan]

59 minutes ago, MJC said:

You would have a point I think if the media weren’t going out of their way to highlight every questionable decision that goes in Rangers favour. But they do. Yesterday’s alone is being described as ‘controversial’ which it was and that’s before you take into account the hysteria over “Penalty to Rangers” a couple of years ago which not very subtly implied that every penalty Rangers get is dodgy and also that they get more penalties than any other side, the latter being easily disproven by facts but that didn’t stop the narrative being pushed.

Your soft spot for Rangers here is showing.

[MJC]

12 minutes ago, star sail said:

Spoken like a true Rangers fan. 😉 

9 minutes ago, wellfan said:

Your soft spot for Rangers here is showing.

Really? 
 

This is what I was getting at when I mentioned the ‘Penalty to Rangers’ thing before. That a narrative is pushed by the media (mainstream and social) and it is then accepted as fact. 
 

And that I am being questioned/accused of being a Rangers fan or at least having a soft spot for them is quite telling. All I am doing is pointing out some glaring weaknesses in this theory.

If match officials and the VAR team were as is appeared to be suggesting out to assist Rangers even to the detriment of their own professional and personal reputation, then why did they disallow them a goal at 0-0???

And let me be clear…it was clearly offside and therefore the correct decision to rule it out. But surely a set of match officials influenced by systematic bias that goes beyond unchecked or else blatant cheating officials would surely have no qualms about ‘inventing’ a reason why they thought it was onside and should stand even though all the evidence otherwise was available and would see them questioned, scrutinised and ridiculed? 
 

Or is that just me ‘showing my soft spot for Rangers’ by thinking along those lines too?

 

[texanwellfan]

I am not 100% sure it was a PK yesterday. I was convinced it was but after watching a clip on you tube, as Fadinger goes by Fernandez, the defender might actually have grazed the ball. Based on what I’ve seen/heard from watching the EPL if the defender gets a touch on the ball first then it’s deemed as him playing the ball amd any contact is then incidental. It’s hard to tell if he did touch or not but it does throw some doubt on it based on what I mentioned using the EPL as an example. 
however, if that’s the case why was there not an immediate response from officials team that the defender played the ball amd that is why no PK was awarded? 

[wellfan]

1 minute ago, texanwellfan said:

however, if that’s the case why was there not an immediate response from officials team that the defender played the ball amd that is why no PK was awarded? 

Because they’re still getting their story straight with Collum. 

[texanwellfan]

I just watched Livi v Celtic highlights and Celtic PK award is ridiculous. The ball did hit the Livi player’s arm but he was clearly pushed by a Celtic player. 

[wellfan]

17 minutes ago, MJC said:

Really? 
 

This is what I was getting at when I mentioned the ‘Penalty to Rangers’ thing before. That a narrative is pushed by the media (mainstream and social) and it is then accepted as fact. 
 

And that I am being questioned/accused of being a Rangers fan or at least having a soft spot for them is quite telling. All I am doing is pointing out some glaring weaknesses in this theory.

If match officials and the VAR team were as is appeared to be suggesting out to assist Rangers even to the detriment of their own professional and personal reputation, then why did they disallow them a goal at 0-0???

And let me be clear…it was clearly offside and therefore the correct decision to rule it out. But surely a set of match officials influenced by systematic bias that goes beyond unchecked or else blatant cheating officials would surely have no qualms about ‘inventing’ a reason why they thought it was onside and should stand even though all the evidence otherwise was available and would see them questioned, scrutinised and ridiculed? 
 

Or is that just me ‘showing my soft spot for Rangers’ by thinking along those lines too?

 

 

It’s reality, not theory, and it doesn’t seem like you’re seeing it past your blue-tinted specs.

[Stuwell2]

23 minutes ago, wellfan said:

 

It’s reality, not theory, and it doesn’t seem like you’re seeing it past your blue-tinted specs.

If this is reality then there must be two sets of officials who cover only one side of the arse cheeks each or all the officials are in league with each other to ensure only the OF get anything. There might have been a degree of this in the past but I doubt that it’s like that today. 

How does that theory stand up beside the other crazy decisions - if you want examples I will give you examples but I’m sure you know plenty yourself - given against us when playing other teams?
Unfortunately it’s just piss poor officials, some possibly with personal allegiances, who cover each others ineptitude. 
I’ve said before the only way to get proper VAR in Scotland is to have VAR HQ sited in another country overseen by foreign officials assisted by ex players with no affiliation with any Scottish team. 
 

 

[MJC]

19 minutes ago, wellfan said:

 

It’s reality, not theory, and it doesn’t seem like you’re seeing it past your blue-tinted specs.

Or another interpretation is that I don’t buy into half baked conspiracy theories and aren’t seeing things through a cliched “Rangers get everything” set of tinted specs? 🤷‍♂️ 

[star sail]

34 minutes ago, MJC said:

Or another interpretation is that I don’t buy into half baked conspiracy theories and aren’t seeing things through a cliched “Rangers get everything” set of tinted specs? 🤷‍♂️ 

Reassuring to know that somebody is taking the level headed pragmatic approach.

We may need your calming, unbiased voice of reason if Celtic get a dodgy last minute penalty on Tuesday night to win the game. 😉 

[mfc]

One thing for certain if that had happened up the other end,you can be sure between the referee and var a penalty would have been giving.