Celtic v Motherwell 14/03/2026

[joewarkfanclub]

1 hour ago, mfc88 said:

I was one of said posters, and taken nothing personally 😁

Defending a corner is entirely different to defending, say, a player through on goal though. If you are defending a corner man for man, I am not sure how you can without knowing where your opponent is...

Longelo is looking at the ball to begin, maeda makes the run at which point longelo, turns to face him, ends up in a knot and fouls him.

No issue with the VAR intervention for a penalty. Its the VAR intervention for a red and how it can be "clearly and obviously" deemed as anything other than "hes tried to defend the corner and made a mess of it".

Its the contesting the ball part that is the problem.

Players jostling and wrestling for the ball happens at every corner/free kick and is generally unpunished by referees until the ball comes in the vicinity of the players contesting.

At that point the players know they risk giving away a penalty which in this case you admit was rightly given.

If Longelo and Maeda have equal chance of getting their heads on the ball it probably isnt a red card, but Maeda rolls Longelo and gets in front of him, at that point Longelo just has to let go as there is no way he is getting to it.

He doesnt, prevents a clear goalscoring opportunity and given that he wasnt trying to get to the ball, just stop Maeda, its a red.

You cant change the wording of the laws of the game to suit our purposes.

[weeyin]

1 hour ago, joewarkfanclub said:

Its the contesting the ball part that is the problem.

Players jostling and wrestling for the ball happens at every corner/free kick and is generally unpunished by referees until the ball comes in the vicinity of the players contesting.

Only in the UK it seems.

I was reading an article in The Guardian earlier in the week (because that's how I roll) that was pointing out how a number of the English teams became unstuck in Europe  because:

1. They relied too much on scoring goals from the chaos at set pieces

2. European refs were penalising their fouling in the box at those set pieces

I'd love to see our refs clamp down on it too.

[texanwellfan]

I wish they would also go back to calling shirt pulling as a foul. At the stage now where it’s, “well that wasn’t enough to give a penalty” so apparently there’s varying degrees of shirt pulling that are allowed that the referee or VAR officials have to make a judgement call on. BULLSHIT!! Pulling another players shirt is 100% a foul but the powers that be have decided to let some of that slide. Start calling it and they will stop. 
Another thing they let slide now is players blocking opposition run about 15 to 20 yards from the ball. Clear as day in the fifa rules, that is obstruction cause it’s not within playing distance of the ball. I’ve heard commentators say “well, he’s entitled to go anywhere on the field he wants”, well, no he isn’t and the obstruction rule covers that. 
 

FIFA's obstruction rule, officially known as "

Impeding the Progress of an Opponent" (Law 12), prohibits moving into an opponent's path to block, slow down, or force a change of direction when the ball is not within playing distance. It is deemed a foul if a player is not actively playing the ball. 

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[wellfan]

It’s not necessarily the rules in Scotland that are the problem. It’s the misapplication or inconsistent application of them by the useless, untouchable twats employed by the SFA.

[Kmcalpin]

2 hours ago, texanwellfan said:

I wish they would also go back to calling shirt pulling as a foul. At the stage now where it’s, “well that wasn’t enough to give a penalty” so apparently there’s varying degrees of shirt pulling that are allowed that the referee or VAR officials have to make a judgement call on. BULLSHIT!! Pulling another players shirt is 100% a foul but the powers that be have decided to let some of that slide. Start calling it and they will stop. 

Agree 100%. Its not always obvious at games but look at pictures post match and the amount of shirt pulling that goes on. Its either a foul or it isn't. If it is clamp down on it. Same with foul throws. If they aren't going to be given then make them legal.  

[Spit_It_Out]

But if you look at the whole incident there is a tiny push on Ward aswell as the corner comes in if Beaton had been positioned properly christ he might have gave that as a foul but VAR didnt think it was enough to look at.Its so random week to week thats what puts me on tilt.

Ward doesnt help the case comes out he misses the ball completely lands near enough outside the six yard box leaving an open goal if Ward had stayed on his line or not came as far out good chance it would have been looked at differently on the Red Card.

No way Celtic would have won that game we were right in it until the Red Card.

[Happy Dosser]

1 hour ago, Kmcalpin said:

Aghree 100%. Its not always obvious at games but look at pictures post match and the amount of shirt pulling that goes on. Its either a foul or it isn't. If it is clamp down on it. Same with foul throws. If they aren't going to be given then make them legal.  

Yes, it's amazing how some laws of the game seem to have  fallen into abeyance without anyone being told about it 😈. I see foul shies (apologies, age) regularly nowadays at our matches. Also, the authorities have allowed all these stramashes (God bless Arthur Montford) at corners and free kicks to proliferate to the point where it's almost impossible for a referee to spot all the infringements in the box at dead balls.

All supporters of clubs outwith the OF is that the refs apply the laws fairly. We saw several examples of persistent fouls against us at Celtic Park on Saturday  go unpunished, some of which should have resulted in a sending off, but didn't. It's interesting to note that some  Celtic players do seem to be sent off in European games but rarely in Scotland, like Mr Maeda, IIRC.

I have to say that, if the roles had been reversed with Longelo and Maeda, I doubt if we would have been given a penalty and a Celtic player   sent off into the bargain at Celtic Park. Similarly, had Fadinger fouled Fernandez in the last minute of our match at Ibrox in December, would that appeal have been  so airily and quickly waved away by the match referee?

 

 

That's the reality of the game in Scotland,  and has been for more years than I care to remember.

[mfc88]

3 hours ago, joewarkfanclub said:

You cant change the wording of the laws of the game to suit our purposes.

Its not the law, or the wording of it. More the VAR intervention.

As i said - for VAR to recommend a red it has to be clear and obvious. Is there enough evidence there to conclude longelo didnt simply make a mess of that? May have to agree to disagree, but not for me. And the fact the VAR check took as long as it did speaks volumes.

For the record, if beaton had given a red straight away, i also wouldn't expect VAR to intervene.