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  1. 10 points
    Funnily enough, whenever those two cup finals are raised there's also guys who say "well, we didn't win them, did we?" or who scream "that's all well and good, but we didn't qualify for the top six that season, did we? League form is what matters!" Those same guys are then pointed to last season when we finished 3rd, which is surely a good thing? Alas, no. Why? Well, it seems the argument is "if the league hadn't been cut short we'd never have finished third!" Wish I could tell the future as clearly as those lads. Basically, they don't want to hear any of it. They shift the goalposts to suit their argument. If you seriously think Robinson getting a new deal was a case of an old pals act you're mental. It was prudent business to keep hold of one of the most over-performing managers in the league. Paper over the cracks? Since his first full season as manager he's took us to 7th, 8th & 3rd, and yes, he took us to two cup finals. What exactly do you expect? If that record is "papering over the cracks" what would a successful replacement manage to do? What would be acceptable to you? As for buying "utter shite" it should go without saying that with our budget most of our signings will be a risk. We're bringing in guys on free transfers on low wages who are deemed worth a punt. We're not in a position where we can sign decent players who are a relatively safe bet for success. However, he's brought in the likes of Carson, Dunne, Kipre, Grimshaw, Hartley, Gillespie, Donnelly, Aldred, Gallagher, Polworth, Long, Watt, O'Hara, and O'Donnell who have all had varying levels of success from decent to very good. Perhaps just as importantly he has presided over the sales and profit of Kipre, Scott and Turnbull. He also led us on a decent little European run that brought in somewhere in the region of €780,000. I'm not sure what constitutes success in some people's minds, but what I've described above is really as good as it gets for a club like ours. Outwith a cup win, which we had two opportunities at only to fall to a dominant Celtic side. So long as we're not fending off relegation and potentially have a shot at a top six finish then I'll take it. Honestly, there's absolutely fuck all in Robinson's record to give any of our fans cause for despair. We're a small Scottish club with next to no money. We'll have period where we play utter dross. It's always happened. It always will happen. If you moaning types are feeling bad now, just think about this. See in years to come when Robbo is gone? We'll probably look back at the young players we had and the two cup finals, third place finish and European games as a time to look back on fondly.
  2. 8 points
    The signings this season in general have reminded me of a gambler chasing losing bets and trying to get back to where they started. It rarely works and all they end up with is a string of losing bets and no money left. Rickie Lamie, even setting specific mistakes aside, is one of those guys you just watch playing and think....how are you even a footballer? Slipping through the gaps is a phrase you often hear about really talented guys that never made it for one reason or another, but theres also a category of guys who in another life are sitting working in an office somewhere, that have somehow managed to squeeze themselves through the gap in the opposite direction in this one. There's also a case to be made for players who just fit/don't fit at certain clubs. Handsome John for example is one of the best strikers we've ever had at the club, but was useless at Hearts. You just can't wrap your head around guys like Jordan White though, who even fans of struggling lower league clubs think is rotten, and has never done anything decent at any club at any level, and yet end up at a 3rd place Prem side playing in Europe. That being said, I'm not at all in the Robbo out camp. This season is such a mental one for loads of reasons that have nothing to do with football, let alone Robinson, that as long as we don't get relegated I'm not paying much attention to it, and I certainly wouldn't be making any big decisions off the back of it.
  3. 7 points
    I dunno why they are voting on anything when there's already a full set of rules that have been in place for years. Original game goes ahead regardless. If the other team only has 6 available players then their keeper can come out, any man save and we can't shoot from our own half. Don't mess about with an established system.
  4. 6 points
    Tell them both, to take their face for a shite, the patronising fannies
  5. 6 points
    add "bellend" to Tom Boyd
  6. 5 points
    I have to agree with this, but I do think that Motherwell seem to be technically poorer than most of the other teams in the league. Just watching that game today it was clear that St Johnstone can pass and move better and do so with more pace than Mothewell. Our game is typified by slow movement of the ball, a lack of movement off the ball and multi-touch/mis-control. All of this gives the opposition more time to react and organise making it very difficult for us to create meaningful chances for our front players, and when those slow passes are made in a backwards direction, it places pressure on our back line ultimately resulting to the loss of goals. Basically, we need to be technically better.
  7. 5 points
    Here' s a link to St Mirren history - around the 2.25 mark
  8. 5 points
    I don’t get this dislike of McGinley. I know there always has to be a fall guy at Motherwell but I just don’t see how he’s been any better, or worse than most other players in the team. Given he’s new to the club and has had a stop start season with injuries he’s done ok.
  9. 4 points
    Myself and a few others made the point about recruitment in the summer and were quickly shot down (too early to tell, give them a chance etc etc) which has quickly been proven as a correct assessment. I understand and largely agree with what others are saying regarding league positioning etc. being acceptable for Motherwell. Do I think that we will go down, not really, but that isn’t the point. The issue is we are not progressing whatsoever, quite the opposite. We need a clean slate and fresh start. We pulled in a huge amount of cash over the summer (for a club of our size), from league finishing to player fees and Europe. Arguably outside the top four in the league, we were prime positioned to kick on. We still got the season ticket sales, the club is still selling merchandise and so by in large, the loss has been felt in hospitality and away supports in terms of finances. Yes, perhaps being prudent was the answer, but exciting a support and having them engage and invest both financially and emotionally in a club at a time when money is tight and it’s easier to switch off than ever is absolutely paramount. That should’ve meant investing in exciting talent to nurture our own youth. What we’ve got is a lot of journeyman dross. Yes goalkeepers have been unlucky with injuries but the Pieman is a bombscare. Keep in mind we’ve got Dunne still on contract despite hardly kicking a ball in 2 years, Lamie and Mcginley who with their combined talents wouldn’t get into most Scottish championship sides, Grimshaw who should’ve been our the door instead of Tait, Mugabe (though decent at times is like Bambi on ice) Hastie who is a complete waste of a wage, a livi reserve on loan in midfield, seedorf who is proven to be useless, white who is a poor mans alex fisher and long who clearly didn’t even want to come back. As a club, management and hiring structure we have unquestionably failed the test of hiring well, exciting a support and ensuring that connection and investment from the fans. Will the gates of fir park soar when the supporters return, unlikely. Our top talent in Campbell is running down his contract as are our two internationals (both of which are a shadow of the players in Claret and amber than dark blue), it’s time to press reset and have a vision for the future that doesn’t involve alienating our core support and having a bloated squad of honest lads who give everything they’ve got, earn the right to play football and go again, but are in the end, shite
  10. 4 points
  11. 4 points
    How good was big dec there,how could mitrovic think he was going to score that penalty when he was still in the big man's back pocket.
  12. 4 points
    Nathan Thomas checks in at the herbal Local Indian CBD Foy Fountain of Superseal Hope arena
  13. 4 points
    The commentator is the one and only Mr Bobby Allan from Bellshill. For years he commentated to blind supporters who sat in the Main stand. Sadly missed top Well supporter.
  14. 3 points
    Yes stop all this Robinson out shite, yes we had a bad day yesterday, but we are out of a cup we were never going to win,. Given the length of the injury list we have, all 1st team starters we are doing OK, a couple of games in hand and only 3 or 4 wins from being right back in the mix for the European places so cut SR some slack and as always judge him on where we finish not after 14 games.
  15. 3 points
    What are your expectations? Any good player we have gets sold, in the case of James Scott, within months of breaking into the team, and we are no worse than most of the rest of the league. We are shite but I don't feel we are relegation threatened. We are a bog standard, average team in this league. And for me that's more of a problem than the manager right now. The product served up for Scottish football fans is completely gash more or less right across the board. Show me any manager doing anything in this league, outside of Gerard? It's the league, it's Scottish football that's the problem. It's utter guff from top to bottom. There's no money in the game, no competition outside the top two, the standard is garbage and the whole shebang is in terminal decline in terms of finances, entertainment, talent. If firing Robinson stops 85% of all matches in Scotland being eye sores fire away but I doubt that's what will happen. All we'd get is another mediocre manager with a shit budget cobbling together journeymen that are roughly the same standard as the rest of the no hopers.
  16. 3 points
    We're dredging up this type of performance far too often with a win or two in between papering over the cracks. I don't even feel anger anymore as I've become accustomed to this pish. Not good enough.
  17. 3 points
    I'll not be paying personally. After buying our season tickets, I've not got a great interest in spending more money on live feeds as they are invariably shite. Truth be told, I've lost interest in watching the games via streams. The occasional Sky live game, drubbings aside, has been refreshing in comparison, but shite all the same.
  18. 3 points
    I just realised, since Thursday, our nation became England. I'll take you back to the 2018 World Cup, England are in not the hardest group, but loose out to Belgium (they are pretty good) hump Panama (expected) and squeeze by against Tunisia (not expected). They then get Colombia (tasty but crazy streak) and get through on pens. Next is Sweden who won their group and probably most people's weakest team when the draw was made in F, crazy in itself as Germany and South Korea went to shit. 2-0 vs them and then Croatia, the first team of any pedigree or class other than Belgium, and then they're out at Semi Final stage. They meet Belgium again third place playoff and again papped. They faced 3 games against decent teams and were beaten in all three. The come home as 4th in the world, Southgate given an OBE, English press say "its only a matter of time". I don't want to take anything away from our achievement, the nations league by definition puts teams of similar stature in the same group so games are going to be tight. We scraped through a few, rode our luck in others (but we've been at the worse end of that in our time so I'm happy to accept it). The Czech team getting covid and having to field a virtual brand new one was a major bonus for us away from home. We had 10 points and all we had to do was see it through. I wonder if Clarke regrets not fielding more from Thursday night against arguably the weakest team in our group on Sunday. However the Czech's won it and fair play to them on balance they deserved it as they got results that we didn't ..... but we were in such a good place going into these games. Thursday night heroics maybe masked a few issues we still have. We got there via another penalty shootout in October where an outstretched arm was the difference. While we were immense, Serbia were unexpectedly chronically bad and then it went to a penalty lottery as we didn't screw the nut in the final minute. We just need to be more lethal with our chances in the way Motherwell were so wasteful for the first 6 games or so this season. I don't think McBurnie enhances the squad, he seems there based on the stature of his club team rather than what he has brought.
  19. 3 points
    This. At 29 and with a young family his priority will be maximising his income for the next 4 years +. That will not be possible at Motherwell. I would love for him to sign an extension but I would put the chances of that happening at no more than 10%. January will be interesting. There will be interest and you would think a team may be willing to throw some money at us to tempt him away rather than relying on a pre contract agreement. If that happens then what constitutes a good offer. Qualifying for Europe was worth 750,000 Euros. Not saying we would not qualify if he leaves in Jan but it would be more difficult. In saying that I expect it would need to be £500k + before we would consider an offer. SOD is interesting. I don’t think he has been great for us and arguably he has played better for Scotland. But again you would think there would be interest in a Scotland Right back. So we could have neither of them come Feb 2021. Still I will always remember the time the Scotland defence was players from Man U, Arsenal, Liverpool and Motherwell x 2 :-)
  20. 3 points
    Polworth forced Turnbull out the club, Gilmour wouldn’t fare any better
  21. 3 points
    Never mind turnbull ,he's not our player . He made his bed he can lie on it.
  22. 3 points
    Credit to Clarke for being loyal to the guys that got him into this position and credit to those guys for digging deep to produce this performance. Dec was immense.
  23. 3 points
    The punishment should be to have St Mirren make a public statement that we were by far the better team in the '77 Cup game and never being allowed to complain about it again.
  24. 3 points
    TV revenues weren't the same then, the Champions League didn't exist in the way it does now and we regularly got 8,500 average where as Celtic couldn't fill up Hampden when they rented it. We were much closer to them then compared to now. Bosman and Euro runs beyond Christmas is what opened the gulf and our dwindling attendances because people looked for alternatives to spend their money on. I can't think of where we'd pick players up from but it certainly wasn't Forest Green Rovers and alike. We now have a mindset against the OF which isn't shared by a few other teams in the league (Killie and ICT being two standouts with budgets around our level or less). The 20 year league thing against Rangers is quite a noose round the neck until you remember they've had "The" in front of their name since 2012. I just wish we'd actually show up and give them a game more often than we do.
  25. 3 points
    A busy forum when we're losing is more predictable than Shaka telling us what Robbo will say in his post match interview
  26. 3 points
    Twenty seconds? I suppose she might want a cuddle too
  27. 3 points
    Good to see the introduction of the not good enough, never a midfielder Barry Maguire wasn't a large enough handicap to prevent us winning the last two matches.
  28. 2 points
    That was the most abject performance of the season. Sluggish and nervous at the back; lacking guile, skill and drive in midfield; indifferent and without sharpness, grit or focus up front. We surrendered to a completely average team who only had to be mediocre to turn a game from being a goal down to a victory that was surrendered up long before the final whistle. And my optimism got the better of me regarding Lamie. He’ll never do
  29. 2 points
    Not overly amused at that Cup exit. Nobody likes a defeat at any time but going out a Cup competition with barely a whimper tends to irk more than most. The performance wasn't there last week according to Mark O'Hara so I'd be interested to see what he made of today as it was even more poor than in Perth. And yet half an hour to go you find yourself ahead. Deserved or otherwise. Don't do anything daft, St Johnstone are hardly battering down to the door themselves. See it out. But no. It's difficult to have a great amount of sympathy when you are in winning positions two weeks in succession St Johnstone, a team of the ilk that if you are going to do anything, you need to be seeing off, and we can't hold leads in either of them. Lamie hasn't overly impressed when played at left-back so his introduction immediately raised eyebrows and his involvement unfortunately proved those held fears to be well founded. The second goal hardly covered ourselves in glory either. And after that, absolutely nothing. That you can't make much of an argument to say that St Johnstone didn't deserve the win says it all. The only consolation is that there's one less fixture to cram in next month. That's it, that's the highlight of our League Cup campaign, one game less to play. Poor stuff.
  30. 2 points
  31. 2 points
  32. 2 points
    I don’t think the club are ever trying to rip us off so any pricing is pretty genuine effort to be a fair compromise.
  33. 2 points
    The Cobra, Dougie and Owen Coyle. Has there ever been in recent times a more lethal or more intelligent strike force at FP?
  34. 2 points
    He is one of my all time favourites,what a player .
  35. 2 points
    After so many pundits predicting both would be dropped because of the "upgrades" available, it made it even more pleasing to see how well they performed. That kind of loyalty won't go unnoticed by the players in the squad and backs up the "play so well you're too good to drop" philosophy Clarke was talking about.
  36. 2 points
    Declan was immense. Amazing considering he has spent little over 2 years at the top level in Scotland and had their star man, a 20 odd million pound striker, in his pocket.... whilst on the softest yellow card ever. Stephen o donnell was also absolutely solid. His best performance for Scotland. Not a failure in the team tbf, but these are OUR boys, and two of the top performers for me. Hardly slept a wink, but still wide awake off the adrenaline of last night
  37. 2 points
    Both players were immense.
  38. 2 points
    I'm not sure how you're managing to miss this but the point isn't that Tierney can't and doesn't play wing back, it's that he won't for Scotland because that's where Robertson plays. Tierney will play on the left in a back 3. Robertson won't play LB as you said, because we don't play with a LB.
  39. 2 points
    I genuinely think we competed, we just got humped.
  40. 2 points
    If you dont think resources are a huge reason why we struggle to beat the old firm AND no other team outside the glasgow cunts has won the league for over 35years, then there is no talking to you...the gulf is as wide as it's ever been and only going in one direction
  41. 2 points
    Yip probably being harsh here but I’m not impressed with the big keeper
  42. 2 points
    I agree it’s not all about formations but Killie’s personnel is very different to ours. Two absolute dogs in midfield while the likes of Burke is a far more intelligent player than our wide options. On that note, our front three have looked clueless out of possession today.
  43. 2 points
    Guarantee everyone kicking off for us going with 3 up front would be saying we gifted the points to them if we'd went with 5 in the middle and one up top saying we didn't show any ambition. They've had struggles defensively, we thought we could get at them and we have. We've had chances. Can't be giving away a cheap goal like the first though.
  44. 2 points
    It’s pointless singling any individual player out here it’s all about the team. I’m pretty sure come full time when we’ve lost by how many it ends up that Robinson will point out the lack of pressing, closing down, energy, just the defeatist attitude. We’ve looked absolutely frightened to death from the kick off, no one in the team looks to have any belief. It really is depressing stuff against a Celtic team that’s really very average.
  45. 2 points
    I don’t think it’s ever a good time to play a team with far better players in truth.
  46. 2 points
    Cole, Watt, Lang should be thinking this a big opportunity. Alan Campbell should have beeb sitting with his feet up watching Brown and McGregor getting made to look old. No showing respect.
  47. 2 points
    The variation was any man can save.
  48. 2 points
    Think our forward line that night was Smith and Walker, decent pairing and both crisp finishers!!........ah'll get me coat
  49. 2 points
    When big Higdon was terrorising their defence, we won because we played to our strengths and played well. No luck or poor performance from them required.
  50. 2 points
    Hopefully it's a runners up medal.

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