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They certainly do and to say otherwise ignores the facts. I'm not saying the difference is huge but they will always have higher attendances over a season than us.

See my amendment to my original reply.

Can you provide a link to that... St Mirren average attendance is 6331 our is 5509 and we give greater access to OF fans at home games.

Oh I think we are.... Why else do we need " significant investment" and a "fund raising initiative" not my words the club's.

If our financial model is so good why are we desperately seeking outside financial input. Even St Mirren whose have a similar fan model and have actually had a real kick in from fans taking their average gate to 6500 are strapped for cash. The fan model may work to a degree but long term it goes nowhere unless the fan base who own the club increases or are willing to put more money in. The fact we have 3700 society members is frankly pathetic. That won't sustain a full time SPFL club in the long term. Sure it is sustainable if we sella player for a million quid every season of we regularly get to cup finals but that's more of a hope and a prayer than realistic eventualities.

Not if our income streams remains static from the fans whilst everyone else in the league has rich benefactors who plough increasing money in each season. Rangers, Celtic, Hibs, Hearts, Aberdeen, Kilmarnock and Dundee all have supports that are bigger than ours. All have wealthy owners to supplement their bigger crowds. Even St Mirren have managed to increase their support beyond what we can achieve. That leaves Ross County, Livingstone and St Johnstone for us to compete against financially. Again RC and St Johnstone have wealthy owners supplementing their gate money. That leaves us and Livingston without wealthy owners Bank rolling the club and Livingston have just had the club taken over, whether that results in extra resources time will tell. We are an outlier in terms of financial resources as things stand and that can only get worse under the current fan model we have.

Maybe a bit overly pessimistic right now. However the fan ownership model for us will ultimately end up in relegation whether that's this season or 5 seasons from now. You cannot sustain top level football on an almost static income stream from the fans.

I've read a few Motherwell fans comments on social media who seem to read this announcement as new funding being announced. That's not how I read it . The statement says "The final stages of a fund-raising initiative are almost complete and will be ready to be shared early in the new year." That's isn't the same as funding ready to come in , initiative means : the ability to assess and initiate things independently, the power of opportunity to act or to take charge. I think those Motherwell fans thinking this is a new announcement of new cash / investment will be sadly disappointed. To me it merely points to change in how we do things including looking for outside investment - which I don't think is sitting waiting in the wings. I may be wrong but it concerns me a bit more than it does for others. That said I've never been a fan of the fan ownership and I say that as a society member. It has a limited scope when you have 4000 fans in good times or bad. If the model was so good , all the diddly clubs in the SPFL would do it. It's fine if you are Hearts with the kind of fan base they have. Patrick Thistle operate a similar model to us and of a similar size club and they are stoney broke. They have fund raisers to pay players wages. Concerning times, well for me anyway.

I know I'm a natural pessimist but I find this all very worrying. I've never thought the Fan ownership model would take us anywhere. We have far too many folk heavy on criticism but light on support for the Society. I seriously can't see anyone queing up to take on a club where the support is so piss poor and the rising costs of running a club in the top division. Somehow I don't see a "welcome to Wrexham" model waiting in the Wings.

No , we will get horsed why break the 21 year habit.

Off topic but just watched the Highlights of Dundee Utd v Raith Rovers on twitter feed from RR. What a winning goal that was. Great to see Gallagher face up his arse and Watt can't even get into their starting 11. Two if the biggest cunts in football.

Exactly questionable timing , had fuck all to say when they won their last two. Just sour grapes.

No time for cunts like Adams who say fuck all about the standard when they are winning. He had fuck all to say about the standard when RC won their last two games. Same with the OF if they win the league it's light up Dubai and the Clyde. Not a cheep about their achievement being run of the mill cos it's such a shite league. It just sounds like sour grapes from Adam's.

Thats where I am. , January is important for me. This squad need major surgery between January and June. There are a clutch of players who have put a third manager in this kind of situation. I hope SK get a wins to start getting the wolves from the door. Am I confident ? no. I think 11th is our destiny this season as it stands.

We also have a gift for the opposition in every game. St Mirren were utter shite but again bomb scare Mugabi doesn't deal with a through ball and we end up giving a gift of a penalty. Any improvements we make will always be undone by the usual suspects. Clear out needed but we do not have the resource to do it.

That's exactly as I see it. It will us two in the bottom two spaces come April unless we have an unexpectedly good January transfer window.

It was but not good enough with what's coming up. Us and Livingston are this year's fall guys unless we do something dramatic in the January window.

It's not really that was the fourth of the most winnable games and we took three points out of twelve. We now have Rangers and Aberdeen which we will lose. The absolutely best we are getting this season is a play off. We just aren't good enough .

Mugabi being his fuckin usual putting us in a mess to concede the penalty. He seriously needs shown the doorl

I'd keep Oxborough and give him a chance, Obika and McGinn couldn't care less if the rest all fucked off.

Slattery would be one of my "get rid" offers nothing. Apart from a purple patch at the start of the season he's totally ineffective and the midfield is a serious problem for us. Knowing us we will extend his contract,

I'd seriously love this to be the game our dreadful run comes to an end and bring they cocky bastards back down to earth. Sadly I can't see it. They have a better team than us and St Mirren Away has started to become a bit of an iffy fixture for us.

So he should he's one of the biggest culprits, utter pish for weeks.

Wonder if reality is dawning on the Paisley faithful yet. LWLLL they are a baw hair off being as bad as us right now. Mind you we will rescue their piss poor form in two weeks.

No we don't Cornelius isn't any better than the pish we have now, he got off lightly very often because he was a Motherwell fan same as McKinstry