FirParkCornerExile
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24 minutes ago, eddiemunster said:
Tony Watt will fail at Dundee United. Bookmark this and tell me I'm right in 12 months
but what is the definition of fail
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Is Lamie injured or is his pending Pre Contract agreement putting him out of GA's team selections too.
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17 minutes ago, joewarkfanclub said:
Its a real shame it has come to this, but I expect he has played his last game for the club.
There are ways to manage your departure without pissing off the fans and this isnt it.
It would be nice to keep a fully focused Tony Watt to the end of the season, but the reaction form the 500 fans there yesterday will only be multiplied 10 fold when the fans are back in.
The club cant afford to let that unrest poison our season. Get what we can from United in January and move on.
Looking on the bright side. At least it wasnt Dundee!
Exactly move him out in January, we don't need his distraction. We must concentrate on players who do want to play for us and win a place in the squad. I'm reasonably confident his departure will be negated by the current squad and some January arrivals. He's history and joins the Gallagher, Hastie , Cadden, Tait and Wishart list of cunts who left leaving a bad taste in the mouth and suitably boo'ed every time he plays against us. Hope he's as successful with UTD as Gallagher is proving with Aberdeen. I'd really piss myself if UTD ended up in the play offs or even worse. Id have Tom Boyd on the cunts list but he left in an appropriate manner but has become a huge cunt since.
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2 hours ago, stv said:
Must have been the steam I was watching which was different to others posting . Thought we played very well and could have scored more. Thought we were well worth the win.
i dont think we played very well , we worked our socks off , scored two good goals but the general standard was poor and not as good as recent games but to win in such circumstances is excellent.
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7 minutes ago, Big Wispy Flossy said:
Stating the obvious but Dundee Utd deliberately leaked this to the press for their own gain. the Thomson’s were shrewd operators when in charge of them previously but these yanks bring something different to the table, and we unfortunately have been a victim of this. But this is business in their eyes and we will need to suck it up
and lets be honest what are we really sucking up? at seasons end , even with TW, UTD will win exactly the same as us...... Fuck all. The only difference they will have paid out alot more money than us to win fuck all. The futility of Scottish Football in a nutshell.
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1 minute ago, texanwellfan said:
I think pre contracts should be scrapped. Just stick to the windows for any transfer talks etc. they just put teams and players in awkward positions.
Scotsman reporting Dundee Utd prepared to pay a 6 figure fee to take TW to Tannadice in January.
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10 minutes ago, Spit_It_Out said:
I would let him go if we get a decent offer for him easy.Why would I want a player who knows he is moving on to another club in the same league who we are up against?Sorry I don't grudge any player a move good luck to them but I find the whole 24th December pre contract thing a total kick in the balls and pretty bizarre!Christ even his Ps5 pal wasnt as brazen as that when he stopped kicking a ball for us.
I would take 40-50k and invest it elsewhere.
There is an argument for that however the fact its another club who will be competing with us to possibly get 4th. I wouldn't potentially strengthen their team this season. Although the track record of guys leaving us an actually being successful is mixed at best. There are a few exceptions but most go on to achieve nothing , earn more yeah but never quoted again in terms of bettering themselves as players. Murphy , Gallagher, Craig , Delameux, Cadden, Tait, Main to name a few all ended up with or went straight to up diddy SPFL clubs and frankly none have never made me worried about facing them.
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1 minute ago, gaz7 said:
If say watt is on 2k a week roughly 20wks till end may is 40k. I'm sure we could write that off and not play him and make him train with youths away from 1st team. This could force utd hand into paying money for him the now so as not to get a player who's not played for 6 months when he goes. Yes hes been gd for us and this may sound selfish but as I've said previously utd are big rivals for a top 6 spot and Europe so it would put them in a position. Theres no way a player who's signing a contract to go and play for someone else in 6 months is fully switched on for his present team. We need to call his bluff.
I wouldnt overtly punish him for exercising his rights I just think we should immediately seek replacements and give them a starting place before him. If it doesnt work by all means then start him.
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Just now, texanwellfan said:
That was my point. Not upset with motherwell. Upset with whoever leaked it ahead of the club being able to say anything
it was extremely unhelpful. However our first team selections after the break should give Shields an extended run as well as Ross Tierney. Watt should only come into first team 1st choice thinking if we look like we are struggling. However initially someone whose signed for another SPL club should be down the pecking order. We got over the loss of Gallacher with little or no impact and TW will be replaceable , just remains to be seen if he replaceable in the short or medium term.
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1 minute ago, ropy said:
If his attitude is right and his performances are good he is in the team, if not he is in the stand. We can get used to playing without our top scorer next summer.
we can if we get decent replacements in the January window and the only way we will know is to play them.
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2 hours ago, Welldaft Mk1 said:
That fact it is Dundee United makes it very awkward as it would any competitor of ours in the top flight. I would even go as far to say this (if true as it would appear to be) is more of a kick in haw maws than Dec leaving for Aberdeen. Mainly because Dec was actually not playing that well and if I recall we did not find out until a lot later in the season. That plus top goalscorer in the league is going to be a bigger miss any way you look at it.
Arguably he would be worth several hundred thousands in a transfer fee in Jan. But I see no way how Utd could afford that and unlikely we will settle for much less. In situations like this in the real world more often than not an employee would be put on immediate gardening leave.
But we could be left with a disgruntled player, Manager and fan base. Big Questions to be answered. Does he start tomorrow. Probably no bad thing there are only 500 fans allowed to attend. Glad in a way I won’t be there.
He could be the consummate professional and give 100% until end of season. Tbh it would not matter to me. If this story is factual then I will hardly be able to bring myself to get excited when he scores or plays well. As before it may seem petty, but it is how I will feel going forwards.
I know the arguments for playing him but afraid I'd be planning for the future. He can sit on the subs bench until his ultimate move. We need to get used to playing without him and hopefully GA has something to cover for his loss in the January window. As I've always said "Beware the Badge Kissers" it means fuck all.
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1 hour ago, Welldaft Mk1 said:
Well this has come out of the blue somewhat !
Fully expected him to leave but to go down south not to Dundee United. They have a bigger fan base of course but not by much. Historically in terms of league performances they are less successful than us.
If this is remotely true then I would be scunnered. Moving to a direct rival in the same league. Not sure but if true I don’t imagine the fans would be that forgiving if he stayed till the summer. And how are United in a position to afford such wages ?
This stinks. Again all paper talk but if true he has to move on in the window. Either that or we play players that are contracted beyond the summer and/or bring someone else in.
The paper talk doesn't seem remotely vague , it states quite clearly he's signed a 3 year deal with UTD so I don't think its just paper talk. Paper talk is generally where they are taking a punt on a story and printing speculation. Rarely if ever have I seen the papers report someone has signed for a club and it isn't true. Plenty times they say Player X will sign and it doesnt happen.. There is no dubiety or speculation in the story.
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5 minutes ago, Modernist said:
I like Tony Watt, he's been decent for us.
If true, a bit of a sideways move for him, albeit for more money.
Dundee United aren't a bigger club than us in my eyes outwith a decent period in the 80's when they had an outstanding manager.
We've lost better players in the past and will do again in the future.
I'd rather have a club to support as opposed to paying silly money in wages again.
Just my opinion troops.if there had been bigger and better offer than Dundee Utds he wouldnt be going to Tannadice.
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6 minutes ago, David said:
Unless his ambition, like most footballers, is to earn as much money in a relatively short career as possible.
it always baffles me the amount of fans that think most players are in it for what they can achieve and not what they can earn. if true move him out now we move on to our next Tony Watt.
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5 hours ago, Coatsy said:
If true he should be moved on in January, strange I thought he would have understood the grass is not always greener. We move on
Sent from my iPad using TapatalkI agree Id move him out in January , there would be a fans reaction for the last 6 months that could unsettle the whole team. I think the leak is designed to force Motherwell into that position. Can only hope we have a replacement lined up.
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56 minutes ago, postiejim said:
Tony “slower than a week in jail “ Watts , who cares , we move on .
if it wasnt for his goals we'd be in relegation bother. If we can replace him in January its no loss but its not that easy.
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4 hours ago, Stevie73 said:
That’s a strange move for Tony Watt, must still want to live in Scotland as surely he would make more money down south, but United are probably the worst team I’ve seen at Fir Park all season.
All the best to him but going to a team that aren’t any better than us is pretty foolish.not if they are doubling his wages and if hes going to United no one better has come in for him.
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Just now, Yorkyred said:
Because he would no longer be playing for us.
if that was the norm everyone who has left us would have become shite, last i looked it hadnt happened.
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1 minute ago, weeyin said:
Maybe or maybe not. I was just giving a possible reason why he might struggle.
A risk worth the money I suspect ...
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6 minutes ago, weeyin said:
Because he says he puts his current form to being comfortable in his current surroundings and that will change if he moves?
not necessarily he could be equally comfortable at another club.
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11 minutes ago, Yorkyred said:
Watts last chance to earn big money, I would guess when it’s down to wages others will pay substantially more. I think he may well struggle when he does go but you can’t really blame him.
Why would he struggle
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On 12/7/2021 at 1:31 PM, Spiderpig said:
It's feck all to do with being scared of them, the simple fact is they are both far better teams than us, we are not unique in having poor records against them every other team in the league has the same issues. Yes they lose games but not very often and even then it's more them having a bad day and the opponents getting a bit of luck to get a win or a point.
Games against the uglies are a free hit, anything you get is a bonus, it's the results against the other 9 teams that count,
"anything you get is a bonus, it's the results against the other 9 teams that count"
most telling line , beat before we start. its OK to get beat cos we don't expect anything , prepare the groundwork for nothing and get nothing
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44 minutes ago, weeyin said:
I agree it was shortsighted move by Hibs, but I never feel too bad for anyone who is sacked with the remainder of their contract paid out in full.
There aren't many better jobs to be sacked from than football management. It may or may not be short sighted , Hibs waited too long to punt Butcher and paid a heavy price. Many of our fans think if we hadnt changed manager at the same time last year we'd have gone down. Robinson saved the club the decision and that was on the back of two cup finals in one season. Frankly what a manager did last year means sweet fuck all. Hibs should have been 3-0 down to us if we'd had our shooting boots on. They've taken something like 4 points out their last 27 and they are basically pish. Its easy to says its harsh but there's an argument for swift action especially in a league where it doesn't look like there is a racing certainty to go down and give the rest some breathing space. If St Johnstone win their game in hand on them they are 3 points off a play off spot in December, for a club of Hibs resources thats shockingi
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4 hours ago, Ya Bezzer! said:
In my time which is from about 1982-ish the only players to outscore Arnott were Kirk, Sutton and McDonald.
There is a wee bit controversy about Arnott's actual league goal tally because some sources give him a goal away to Hibs and other sources credit it as an OG. So it's either 58 or 59 depending on who you believe, can't remember what the 'official' one is.
Coyne scored 57 but in a lot less games.
I can see the argument for the names you mention particularly Sutton and Coyne but Stevie Kirk took 61 more games to score 4 more goals. However Im sticking with wee Dougie , as I said way earlier everyone will have their own favourites and reasons why.
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Do as well is relative. No matter how he does or doesnt do Dundee UTD will win exactly the same as us which will be bugger all and will have cost them alot more. Even if they get the european place they will be out on their are after 2 games. So is it worth the investment over a 3 year deal??