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And Auckland City.

I've seen enough evidence in the UK and in the US (where there are many) to pass judgement.

I'm still cynical about the ban, but in Livi's case they were told by the SPFL after their playoff win that their old plastic did not meet Premiership standards and had to rip it up. Martindale said at that point it wasn't feasible to lay a grass pitch that would ready in time for the start of the season. That may be true, but I can see them using it as an excuse to extend its use.

I certainly hope Oxborough doesn't become one of those players that are "unlucky with injuries" because regardless of how you pick them up, it can kill a career.

I read recently that "the authorities" have brought in some pitch experts to consult with the artificial turf clubs to assist with the transition. So hopefully that means it's still on schedule. The cynic in me agrees with the others that there will be a delay or cancellation in the plans.

I asked ChatGPT to "create a post in the style of MJC on steelmenonline.co.uk" Thread Title: "If That’s Our Ambition, Then God Help Us" Posted by MJC Right, I’ve tried to stay off here for a bit but after watching that yesterday I genuinely wonder what’s going on at this club. We’ve just had a pre-season where we’ve allegedly strengthened, yet here we are playing hoofball against a team that finished 9th last season and looked like they couldn’t be bothered to get out of second gear. Is this the grand new era we were promised? More like the same old p*sh, just with a fresh coat of Dulux. The manager says “the boys gave everything” – aye, well if that’s everything, we’re in for a long season. No shape, no urgency, no clue. And as for some of the new signings – honestly, I’ve seen more presence in a ghost town. We let players go, tell the fans we’re building something, then turn out a performance like that and expect folk to pay £25 a ticket and clap like seals? Sorry, not for me. Call me negative (as usual) but unless there’s a serious wake-up call, we’ll be sleepwalking into another relegation scrap by Halloween. Anyway, I’ll leave it there before I say something I’ll regret.

I don't have any problem signing players from relegated or nearly relegated teams, We have had plenty of stand-outs over the years in teams that have been hovering above the drop. You just need to look at the starting line-up for our play-off against Rangers to see a few good examples. Faddy was another one that played in a poor team that would have been relegated if Falkirk had put seats in their stadium. Gary McAllister also played in poor Motherwell sides.

Have Killie built their grass pitch training facility yet? If not. an SK training regime on plastic sounds like an injury list waiting to happen.

I'll see if I can find it. From memory, different levels were on different pages and I stuffed the Steel one in a drawer because that was my sub level. I'm pretty sure I came across the rest of the pack a couple of months ago, so I'll try and track it down.

FWIW, I was a relatively early joiner (number 473) and joined at Steel Membership Level. The membership pack I received says that Steel Membership was "a £300 joining fee then after the first year an annual membership fee of £50".

Or wait and see how well he plays for us.

No doubt Kettlewell will remind everyone about that after every defeat.

Maybe it could be as simple as inviting the members who are going to be removed to respond to an invitation to opt in to the 1886 tier. If they don't respond, then they are removed. That might cut down on the inactive members.

Do we have any numbers that can be shared regarding non-contributing members whose status will be changed?

I think Macron sells the same sizing as they make for players whereas, historically, kit manufacturers had "non-athletic" sizing for regular punters. It's also a fashion thing. When Pony's were originally made, the baggy was the trend on and off the pitch.

Being transferred is a bit different. I was talking more about the players that choose to move on rather than re-sign, like Hastie, McKinstry, McAlear etc.

Ah, OK - I just wasn't sure if I had missed something, as there was a lot to read. I was generally OK with the language in the harassment and bullying section, but I agree we don't want to be using that to avoid dissent. I also agree about members being stripped of membership. I don't see any reason that needs to happen.

I see language about harassment and bullying, but nothing about dissent. Is there a particular policy amendment where that is described?

Not sure about that. January, maybe, but why would a decent player immediately sign for us in June when they might have another 2 or 3 offers in July?

It would be ideal to get new players in early, but the window doesn't close until 1st September and most of the decent ones like to take their time and see what's available.

Halliday managed to play every game, so while he could never be accused of being pacey, he is fit.

Seddon was also a good co-commentator on the MFC TV stream. Liked him as a player, but unfortunately couldn't rely on him to be fit. If the new gaffer is going to continue with high tempo, high press tactics, we need people who can cope with that level of training

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No Slattery?? No wonder you have a dodgy midfield.

Further evidence, if any was needed, that leaving us is the first step on the inevitable road to lower-league Scottish football.