Mad Dog Posted April 23 Report Share Posted April 23 Young Max scored his first goal for Sturm Graz this evening. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewarkfanclub Posted April 23 Report Share Posted April 23 7 hours ago, FirParkCornerExile said: all very laudable but the teams above us afford better players because they have far more money than us. The likelihood of us signing players better than what the top 5 and Hearts can afford is remote. I understand that. So we need to try and bridge the gap in other ways. You dont do that by signing a team full of other teams cast offs. As I said, there will be exceptions to the rule. Someone like Paul McGinn has done very well for us until his injuries. Experience will always have its place. But with SOD, probably Halliday and potentially McGinn all still here next season and Nicholson and Robinson still under contract and likely to be still injured at the start of the season, we need our new recruits to be young and full of energy. Otherwise we are likely to suffer another season like this one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yabba's Turd Posted April 23 Report Share Posted April 23 1 hour ago, joewarkfanclub said: I understand that. So we need to try and bridge the gap in other ways. You dont do that by signing a team full of other teams cast offs. As I said, there will be exceptions to the rule. Someone like Paul McGinn has done very well for us until his injuries. Experience will always have its place. But with SOD, probably Halliday and potentially McGinn all still here next season and Nicholson and Robinson still under contract and likely to be still injured at the start of the season, we need our new recruits to be young and full of energy. Otherwise we are likely to suffer another season like this one. Player wages = success Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spit_It_Out Posted April 24 Report Share Posted April 24 The problem last season was Kettlewell got a god complex thinking he could turn anything into gold after Bair and sadly it failed so badly we pissed all the Bair money down the drain on two of the worst signings windows I have witnessed at the club. Signing two players on loan from rival clubs in the same league that were honking that have surprise surprise added nothing to our season another fail due to Kettlewell thinking he was some sort of transfer guru. Anything is achievable with the right set up but our recruitment seems to be lacking somewhere down the line and for Wimmer to have a chance maybe it needs to be tweaked a bit cause we 100 percent can't go down the same path as we did this season injuries or no injuries the players brought have not really offered us anything at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellsince75 Posted April 24 Report Share Posted April 24 2 hours ago, Spit_It_Out said: The problem last season was Kettlewell got a god complex thinking he could turn anything into gold after Bair and sadly it failed so badly we pissed all the Bair money down the drain on two of the worst signings windows I have witnessed at the club. Signing two players on loan from rival clubs in the same league that were honking that have surprise surprise added nothing to our season another fail due to Kettlewell thinking he was some sort of transfer guru. Anything is achievable with the right set up but our recruitment seems to be lacking somewhere down the line and for Wimmer to have a chance maybe it needs to be tweaked a bit cause we 100 percent can't go down the same path as we did this season injuries or no injuries the players brought have not really offered us anything at all. You prompted me to have a look at who we signed and who from SPL clubs. From what I can see we must have signed 13 players who have hardly or haven't kicked a ball. From Scotland - Callaghan, Robinson, Watt, Tavares all from SPL clubs. Summer signings from elsewhere - Stam Koutrombis, Stupavic, Hegyi, Kaleta - almost all a complete waste of time and effort. Add to that the winter list of Ward, Plange, Mair, Dickson. Honestly would get better joy from a lucky bag. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfc Posted April 24 Report Share Posted April 24 Our signing policy has been all over the place this season,wasting limited funds on the likes of callaghan and tavares is pretty gutting.everytime we got an injury there was a replacement brought in,we have piled shite on top of shite all season.i could well be wrong but it looks like we have went daft with the bair money and going to have nothing to show for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grizzlyg Posted April 24 Report Share Posted April 24 4 hours ago, Spit_It_Out said: The problem last season was Kettlewell got a god complex thinking he could turn anything into gold after Bair and sadly it failed so badly we pissed all the Bair money down the drain on two of the worst signings windows I have witnessed at the club. Signing two players on loan from rival clubs in the same league that were honking that have surprise surprise added nothing to our season another fail due to Kettlewell thinking he was some sort of transfer guru. Anything is achievable with the right set up but our recruitment seems to be lacking somewhere down the line and for Wimmer to have a chance maybe it needs to be tweaked a bit cause we 100 percent can't go down the same path as we did this season injuries or no injuries the players brought have not really offered us anything at all. Hang on?......Kettlewell signed Bair?......no way........he never mentioned that 🤪🤪 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weeyin Posted April 24 Report Share Posted April 24 Even as we speak, some fans are firing up Google Translate to find the German phrase for "wage thief" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewarkfanclub Posted April 24 Report Share Posted April 24 20 hours ago, Yabba's Turd said: Player wages = success Tell that to Man United....... Obviously not the same league. But the principal is the same. As highlighted above, you need to spend your money wisely. Given how little so many of our players have contributed this season, it could be argued we havent done that, or at least need to do better. Of course we have been unlucky with injuries, but again, as others have pointed out some of those could have been forseen. Others, not so much. Wimmer needs to be quite ruthless if he wants to get his own players in and give himself the best chance of playing his style of football, if indeed ge still thinks he can do that. I note today there was lots of talk about "compromises". But if he does want to play a high intensity game, he will need youger fitter players to do so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yabba's Turd Posted April 24 Report Share Posted April 24 1 hour ago, joewarkfanclub said: Tell that to Man United....... Do they pay the highest wages in that league? I don't follow english football Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewarkfanclub Posted April 24 Report Share Posted April 24 26 minutes ago, Yabba's Turd said: Do they pay the highest wages in that league? I don't follow english football They pay a lot more than half the teams above them. Casemiro is apparently on £350k a week. Dont imagine there are many at Bournemouth on that money! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yabba's Turd Posted April 25 Report Share Posted April 25 21 hours ago, joewarkfanclub said: They pay a lot more than half the teams above them. Casemiro is apparently on £350k a week. Dont imagine there are many at Bournemouth on that money! It's not the deciding factor but it's part of the equation for success, also knowing when to move on etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weeyin Posted April 27 Report Share Posted April 27 On 4/13/2025 at 2:20 PM, weeyin said: Saw a bit of the Cardiff game yesterday and Turnbull had a run out in the second half. After his lay off with his most recent injury he looked like he was getting back to full fitness. Cardiff, however, are looking set for the drop. Turnbull officially relegated yesterday. Wonder if he has an escape clause in his contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewarkfanclub Posted April 27 Report Share Posted April 27 On 4/25/2025 at 8:18 PM, Yabba's Turd said: It's not the deciding factor but it's part of the equation for success, also knowing when to move on etc My point entirely. Its not always how much money you have. More how wisely you spend it....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellfan Posted April 28 Report Share Posted April 28 11 hours ago, joewarkfanclub said: My point entirely. Its not always how much money you have. More how wisely you spend it....... You have to wonder how much additional money the club has had to fork out on loan players to cover the crocks and duds who shouldn’t have been signed in the first place. And then consider how shit some on those loanees are. The mismanagement of the squad and budget has been staggering. Heads should roll. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmcalpin Posted April 28 Report Share Posted April 28 39 minutes ago, wellfan said: You have to wonder how much additional money the club has had to fork out on loan players to cover the crocks and duds who shouldn’t have been signed in the first place. And then consider how shit some on those loanees are. The mismanagement of the squad and budget has been staggering. Heads should roll. In general, I agree with you. However would insurance not cover at least some of the wage costs of injured players? As for loan players, who pays their wages if they return to their parent club eg Vale & now Kaleta. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellsince75 Posted April 28 Report Share Posted April 28 43 minutes ago, wellfan said: You have to wonder how much additional money the club has had to fork out on loan players to cover the crocks and duds who shouldn’t have been signed in the first place. And then consider how shit some on those loanees are. The mismanagement of the squad and budget has been staggering. Heads should roll. I was thinking about this and got me thinking about accountability or lack there of. Who's going to make the 'heads roll' for poor mgt. Previously we had an owner and if we pi55ed their money away with poor signings and bloated squads it was their cash they lost. Versus being in a community model does it hurt as much ? It could be a coincidence that since we've moved to the community model we've in tandem moved to signing +15 players every season. As I say appreciate it could easily be a coincidence but it has got me thinking about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Dog Posted April 28 Report Share Posted April 28 1 hour ago, Kmcalpin said: In general, I agree with you. However would insurance not cover at least some of the wage costs of injured players? As for loan players, who pays their wages if they return to their parent club eg Vale & now Kaleta. A very good point but I think that our no claims bonus us is well and truly shot. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santheman Posted April 28 Report Share Posted April 28 4 hours ago, Kmcalpin said: In general, I agree with you. However would insurance not cover at least some of the wage costs of injured players? As for loan players, who pays their wages if they return to their parent club eg Vale & now Kaleta. I've wondered about this as well. I remember reading something ages ago that the insurance policy to cover this eventuality was administered by the SPL/SPFL and covered every club for a set premium each year. Not sure if that's still the case (probably not) as I would imagine if one club makes multiple claims the other clubs with less claims could in theory end up picking up the tab. If its the case that each club have their own individual policy then our premiums will be astronomical at the next renewal date. Or such a thing might not even exist. Maybe a question for the Well Society? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stv Posted April 28 Report Share Posted April 28 4 hours ago, Kmcalpin said: In general, I agree with you. However would insurance not cover at least some of the wage costs of injured players? As for loan players, who pays their wages if they return to their parent club eg Vale & now Kaleta. A quote for player insurance for a footballer playing for us will be astronomical. Not a risk of injury, a dead cert for an injury. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonesy Posted April 28 Report Share Posted April 28 5 hours ago, wellsince75 said: Previously we had an owner and if we pissed their money away with poor signings and bloated squads it was their cash they lost. Versus being in a community model does it hurt as much ? It was/is only their money that is lost until they then want it repaid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderpig Posted April 29 Report Share Posted April 29 I see Lukas Jutkewicz has announced his retirement at the end of the season https://x.com/MotherwellFC/status/1916900216411693119?t=N2Hnzk0YImoDyyT1jZ1T-Q&s=19 15 years since the 6-6 game, his goal is up there with some of the greatest goals i have seen for Motherwell, what a night that was. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weeyin Posted April 29 Report Share Posted April 29 11 hours ago, Spiderpig said: I see Lukas Jutkewicz has announced his retirement at the end of the season https://x.com/MotherwellFC/status/1916900216411693119?t=N2Hnzk0YImoDyyT1jZ1T-Q&s=19 15 years since the 6-6 game, his goal is up there with some of the greatest goals i have seen for Motherwell, what a night that was. It's amazing how the mood of a game can create that kind of chaos. And if Forbes hadn't missed the pen, we would never have had the pleasure of that finish. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretzel Posted April 29 Report Share Posted April 29 7 hours ago, weeyin said: It's amazing how the mood of a game can create that kind of chaos. And if Forbes hadn't missed the pen, we would never have head the pleasure of that finish. I remember when Forbes missed I looked to the sky then when I looked back down Graeme Smith and Kevin McBride will celebrating with each other. I was perfectly in line with with Lukas shot from the POD, arse left the stratosphere when the net rippled. Such an amazing game, to think we went to Ibrox days later and we were down 3-1 going into stoppage time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmcalpin Posted April 30 Report Share Posted April 30 The Dundee Courier's take on Allan Campbell. https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/sport/football/dundee-united/5232473/how-has-allan-campbell-fared-dundee-united/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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