St Johnstone v Motherwell 27/01/2024

[wellfan]

1 hour ago, wellgirl said:

Do you honestly think that our manager would train players in a way that would get them injured? It has nothing to do with luck. Its part and parcel of the nature of the game. 

No, but you can implement strategies to mitigate against the risk of non-contact soft tissue injuries in training and during games. Strength and conditioning training in addition to footballing drills is one key example, and another could be recovery methods or nutrition. I'd say that there's a lot more to it than just accepting that certain types of recurring injuries across an entire squad are part and parcel of the game.

44 minutes ago, wellgirl said:

So who do we sign then? Given the constraints that Motherwell are operating under at the moment? 

At the very least, we could avoid signing players with known injury records. I'd rather have an average player on the park than a good player permanently on the treatment table. Monty's previous hammy injury record was known, as was Obika's. 

[joewarkfanclub]

30 minutes ago, wellfan said:

At the very least, we could avoid signing players with known injury records. I'd rather have an average player on the park than a good player permanently on the treatment table. Monty's previous hammy injury record was known, as was Obika's. 

Bair is an average player who always seems to be fit.......

[wellfan]

1 minute ago, joewarkfanclub said:

Bair is an average player who always seems to be fit.......

And I'd rather have Bair than Obika, but it shouldn't have to be a choice between a player with a stinking scoring record and one with a bad injury history, but here we are because we signed both. 

[weeyin]

2 hours ago, wellfan said:

And I'd rather have Bair than Obika, but it shouldn't have to be a choice between a player with a stinking scoring record and one with a bad injury history, but here we are because we signed both. 

We're also here because Biereth was unexpectedly recalled from a season long loan.

An excellent striker who was also a signing made by SK.

 

[wellfan]

12 minutes ago, weeyin said:

We're also here because Biereth was unexpectedly recalled from a season long loan.

An excellent striker who was also a signing made by SK.

 

Correct. But that's the risk a club runs when it puts all its eggs in a loanee-shaped basket to make up for its permanent strikers being crocks or crap. No club should do business in such a way that it makes them reliant on loanees; it's too risky. Loanees should be seen as temporary solutions and bonuses.

 

[weeyin]

If Levein was playing tomorrow his immediate plan would be to try and crock Bair. 

I'd guess he'll be instructing his team to do the same. 

[Jastons]

We are driving up tomorrow. Never been to St Johnstone before .

Any recommendations for parking ?

[texanwellfan]

36 minutes ago, Jastons said:

We are driving up tomorrow. Never been to St Johnstone before .

Any recommendations for parking ?

Yes. I normally leave it first gear AND apply the hand brake. 
 

 

 

sorry, could stop myself. I blame Grizzly! 

[Kmcalpin]

22 minutes ago, Jastons said:

We are driving up tomorrow. Never been to St Johnstone before .

Any recommendations for parking ?

West Mains Avenue area behind B & Q. 10mins walk to ground. 

[Kmcalpin]

2 hours ago, weeyin said:

If Levein was playing tomorrow his immediate plan would be to try and crock Bair. 

I'd guess he'll be instructing his team to do the same. 

Almost certainly. If they could crock him for a few weeks that would be even better for them. 

[Yabba's Turd]

1 hour ago, texanwellfan said:

Yes. I normally leave it first gear AND apply the hand brake. 
 

 

 

sorry, could stop myself. I blame Grizzly! 

You should put it in reverse

[joewarkfanclub]

4 hours ago, wellfan said:

Correct. But that's the risk a club runs when it puts all its eggs in a loanee-shaped basket to make up for its permanent strikers being crocks or crap. No club should do business in such a way that it makes them reliant on loanees; it's too risky. Loanees should be seen as temporary solutions and bonuses.

 

The problem with that is that we couldnt attract the quality of Biereth unless it is on loan. The big clubs mop up all the best quality for their academies. Unless we are lucky enough to develop one of our own. So our options are signing a poorer quality player on a permanent basis or getting the best we can on the understanding its likely to be short term.

[wellfan]

12 minutes ago, joewarkfanclub said:

The problem with that is that we couldnt attract the quality of Biereth unless it is on loan. The big clubs mop up all the best quality for their academies. Unless we are lucky enough to develop one of our own. So our options are signing a poorer quality player on a permanent basis or getting the best we can on the understanding its likely to be short term.

Except we failed to understand that Biereth could've been offski after 6 months if he did well, which has left us relying on a player who was originally signed to be our 3rd or 4th choice striker. We've no other options because, Biereth aside, our striker recruitment has been far from good enough. So, if we want to naively rely on quality loanees, then we need a Biereth lined up every window. We can't allow ourselves to be blindsided at the same time as we’re trying to develop projects and nurse crocks. It's hopeless. 

[smiddy]

23 hours ago, texanwellfan said:

You best go on a wee holiday cause there’s another one on the way, a week on Monday. 😟

;:):):):) internet will take a pounding

[joewarkfanclub]

27 minutes ago, wellfan said:

Except we failed to understand that Biereth could've been offski after 6 months if he did well, which has left us relying on a player who was originally signed to be our 3rd or 4th choice striker. We've no other options because, Biereth aside, our striker recruitment has been far from good enough. So, if we want to naively rely on quality loanees, then we need a Biereth lined up every window. We can't allow ourselves to be blindsided at the same time as we’re trying to develop projects and nurse crocks. It's hopeless. 

Our management team cant win. They get a player in of Biereths quality and they should have a conveyor belt of similar quality lined up. They sign players of lesser quality and they either arent good enough or injury prone and shouldnt have been signed in the first place. 

Is it possible that what you suggest our management team should ve doing, just isnt possible with our budget?

[smiddy]

st j will be keekin themselves incase there 1 goal striker comes back to feck them

[joewarkfanclub]

4 minutes ago, smiddy said:

st j will be keekin themselves incase there 1 goal striker comes back to feck them

That would be sweet.....

[wellfan]

17 minutes ago, joewarkfanclub said:

Our management team cant win with you. They get a player in of Biereths quality and they should have a conveyor belt of similar quality lined up. They sign players of lesser quality and they either arent good enough or injury prone and shouldnt have been signed in the first place. 

Is it possible that what you suggest our management team should ve doing, just isnt possible with our budget?

As I've previously posted, I think it's fairly reasonable to suggest that, as a start, it's definitely possible to avoid signing players with a known injury record or poor goalscoring record. It doesn't have to be them or a Biereth. Such an argument is defeatist. 

[bobbybingo]

11 minutes ago, wellfan said:

As I've previously posted, I think it's fairly reasonable to suggest that, as a start, it's definitely possible to avoid signing players with a known injury record or poor goalscoring record. It doesn't have to be them or a Biereth. Such an argument is defeatist. 

Biereth had a poor goalscoring record. He also had a known injury record.

[fizoxy]

Filter:

- Track record of scoring goals

- No previous injuries

- Tries hard

- We can afford

- Wants to play for motherwell

- Motherwell fans know

- Motherwell fans like

Results:

Ha ha ha

 

[SteelmaninOZ]

1 hour ago, fizoxy said:

Filter:

- Track record of scoring goals

- No previous injuries

- Tries hard

- We can afford

- Wants to play for motherwell

- Motherwell fans know

- Motherwell fans like

Results:

Ha ha ha

 

Very good fizoxy. Looks like grizzlyg will be thinking your about to take over his top spot as SOL comedian 😂

[wellfan]

7 hours ago, bobbybingo said:

Biereth had a poor goalscoring record. He also had a known injury record.

At the time of them both signing, Biereth came from Arsenal and Obika did not. I see your point, but let's not compare apples with oranges. Signing a promising young player with an injury history on loan from an Arsenal or a Celtic is not the same as signing an older player with an injury history on a permanent deal. 

Back to the thread topic, I’m heading to Perth today, so let's hope Bair proves me wrong. 

[SteelmaninOZ]

Will the weather affect the game?

[wellfan]

5 minutes ago, SteelmaninOZ said:

Will the weather affect the game?

The weather looks fine in Perth. Storm Isha and Jocelyn have passed. It's a bit gusty and drizzly, but that's due to peak by noon and then calm down into the afternoon, according to my weather app.   

[bobbybingo]

33 minutes ago, wellfan said:

At the time of them both signing, Biereth came from Arsenal and Obika did not. I see your point, but let's not compare apples with oranges. Signing a promising young player with an injury history on loan from an Arsenal or a Celtic is not the same as signing an older player with an injury history on a permanent deal. 

Back to the thread topic, I’m heading to Perth today, so let's hope Bair proves me wrong. 

No, I totally agree, signing older players who are constantly picking up injuries is pointless. Montgomery had some injury problems last season but you're hoping the younger guys will get over them. Our luck's just seems to be out in every direction this season, which could really cost us.

I hope he wants to prove us all wrong, starting with his former employers.