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St Johnstone v Motherwell 27/01/2024


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53 minutes ago, couttsy said:

Would love to know what the plan is if Bair gets injured at some point today/tomorrow!? Hope to hell we have one…..

We're going full Stuart Pearce mode and The Big Ox will save the day.

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54 minutes ago, Kmcalpin said:

Move Bevis up front.

We spoke about this at the game last week. Until a striker or strikers arrive, you have to think that Mugabi as a battering ram will be the option. Although Kettlewell took him off at 1-1 so maybe not...

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37 minutes ago, Stevie73 said:

What are we doing at training, is it kick anything that moves, boy looked decent as well, zero luck 

Do you honestly think that our manager would train players in a way that would get them injured? It has nothing to do with luck. Its part and parcel of the nature of the game. 

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23 minutes ago, wellgirl said:

Do you honestly think that our manager would train players in a way that would get them injured? It has nothing to do with luck. Its part and parcel of the nature of the game. 

Not knowingly of course, but maybe. Ian Baraclough addressed this very same point when he came. You can't really avoid impact injuries but you can minimise soft tissue injuries by tweaking training methods. That's what he did when he took over. It also helps to avoid signing a few players with questionable injury records. 

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Just now, Kmcalpin said:

Not knowingly of course, but maybe. Ian Baraclough addressed this very same point when he came. You can't really avoid impact injuries but you can minimise soft tissue injuries by tweaking training methods. That's what he did when he took over. It also helps to avoid signing a few players with questionable injury records. 

So who do we sign then? Given the constraints that Motherwell are operating under at the moment? 

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1 hour ago, wellgirl said:

Do you honestly think that our manager would train players in a way that would get them injured? It has nothing to do with luck. Its part and parcel of the nature of the game. 

No, but you can implement strategies to mitigate against the risk of non-contact soft tissue injuries in training and during games. Strength and conditioning training in addition to footballing drills is one key example, and another could be recovery methods or nutrition. I'd say that there's a lot more to it than just accepting that certain types of recurring injuries across an entire squad are part and parcel of the game.

44 minutes ago, wellgirl said:

So who do we sign then? Given the constraints that Motherwell are operating under at the moment? 

At the very least, we could avoid signing players with known injury records. I'd rather have an average player on the park than a good player permanently on the treatment table. Monty's previous hammy injury record was known, as was Obika's. 

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30 minutes ago, wellfan said:

At the very least, we could avoid signing players with known injury records. I'd rather have an average player on the park than a good player permanently on the treatment table. Monty's previous hammy injury record was known, as was Obika's. 

Bair is an average player who always seems to be fit.......

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1 minute ago, joewarkfanclub said:

Bair is an average player who always seems to be fit.......

And I'd rather have Bair than Obika, but it shouldn't have to be a choice between a player with a stinking scoring record and one with a bad injury history, but here we are because we signed both. 

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2 hours ago, wellfan said:

And I'd rather have Bair than Obika, but it shouldn't have to be a choice between a player with a stinking scoring record and one with a bad injury history, but here we are because we signed both. 

We're also here because Biereth was unexpectedly recalled from a season long loan.

An excellent striker who was also a signing made by SK.

 

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12 minutes ago, weeyin said:

We're also here because Biereth was unexpectedly recalled from a season long loan.

An excellent striker who was also a signing made by SK.

 

Correct. But that's the risk a club runs when it puts all its eggs in a loanee-shaped basket to make up for its permanent strikers being crocks or crap. No club should do business in such a way that it makes them reliant on loanees; it's too risky. Loanees should be seen as temporary solutions and bonuses.

 

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36 minutes ago, Jastons said:

We are driving up tomorrow. Never been to St Johnstone before .

Any recommendations for parking ?

Yes. I normally leave it first gear AND apply the hand brake. 
 

 

 

sorry, could stop myself. I blame Grizzly! 

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2 hours ago, weeyin said:

If Levein was playing tomorrow his immediate plan would be to try and crock Bair. 

I'd guess he'll be instructing his team to do the same. 

Almost certainly. If they could crock him for a few weeks that would be even better for them. 

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4 hours ago, wellfan said:

Correct. But that's the risk a club runs when it puts all its eggs in a loanee-shaped basket to make up for its permanent strikers being crocks or crap. No club should do business in such a way that it makes them reliant on loanees; it's too risky. Loanees should be seen as temporary solutions and bonuses.

 

The problem with that is that we couldnt attract the quality of Biereth unless it is on loan. The big clubs mop up all the best quality for their academies. Unless we are lucky enough to develop one of our own. So our options are signing a poorer quality player on a permanent basis or getting the best we can on the understanding its likely to be short term.

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12 minutes ago, joewarkfanclub said:

The problem with that is that we couldnt attract the quality of Biereth unless it is on loan. The big clubs mop up all the best quality for their academies. Unless we are lucky enough to develop one of our own. So our options are signing a poorer quality player on a permanent basis or getting the best we can on the understanding its likely to be short term.

Except we failed to understand that Biereth could've been offski after 6 months if he did well, which has left us relying on a player who was originally signed to be our 3rd or 4th choice striker. We've no other options because, Biereth aside, our striker recruitment has been far from good enough. So, if we want to naively rely on quality loanees, then we need a Biereth lined up every window. We can't allow ourselves to be blindsided at the same time as we’re trying to develop projects and nurse crocks. It's hopeless. 

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