Wellsince1976 Posted February 10 Report Share Posted February 10 Firstly, I am not a fan of disposing of managers at the drop of a hat, and I still stick by the manager. HOWEVER, like a few others on here, I was totally dismayed at A/ The team he put out last night(should have been freshened up in my opinion after the 2 previous games in quick succesion) B/ The lack of tactics C/ Some of the subs and "tactics" thereafter were baffling. You can`t get everything right, all of the time, but SK is not helping himself a lot of the time. He has to get the selection and tactics right against Aberdeen. Unfortunately, for me, this means dropping Kelly. He has been average(with the odd great save) for ages now, and Kettlewell must show his managerial teeth by dropping him. I don`t know how good Oxborough is, but there is only one way to find out! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Great Balls of Shire Posted February 10 Report Share Posted February 10 7 minutes ago, Wellsince1976 said: Firstly, I am not a fan of disposing of managers at the drop of a hat, and I still stick by the manager. HOWEVER, like a few others on here, I was totally dismayed at A/ The team he put out last night(should have been freshened up in my opinion after the 2 previous games in quick succesion) B/ The lack of tactics C/ Some of the subs and "tactics" thereafter were baffling. You can`t get everything right, all of the time, but SK is not helping himself a lot of the time. He has to get the selection and tactics right against Aberdeen. Unfortunately, for me, this means dropping Kelly. He has been average(with the odd great save) for ages now, and Kettlewell must show his managerial teeth by dropping him. I don`t know how good Oxborough is, but there is only one way to find out! It's not Kelly's fault he is on the relatively high wage he is on but we need an exceptional player by our standards for that money Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gaz7 Posted February 10 Report Share Posted February 10 36 minutes ago, FirParkCornerExile said: How can you struggle to get the ball down. It's easy you send a message from your brain to your feet don't put the ball in the air. That's as hard as it gets Sounds easy but with the wind how it was it makes it difficult. Surely you are aware of that . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmcalpin Posted February 10 Report Share Posted February 10 42 minutes ago, FirParkCornerExile said: How can you struggle to get the ball down. It's easy you send a message from your brain to your feet don't put the ball in the air. That's as hard as it gets You have to have a big defence to match giant strikers and tough characters to win challenges. If you do that you nullify the opposition and the get the ball down and play the way you want. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Dog Posted February 10 Report Share Posted February 10 14 hours ago, Mortonhallwell said: We weren't going much further in the Cup anyway so getting some decent finance into our skint club would have been very welcome. Financially tonight is a disaster because we will will not receive any further Cup income. Don't really see your logic. Why not hope for a winnable home draw in the next round then face one of those Glasgow clubs in the semis or the final? Surely those are worth more to us financially. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grizzlyg Posted February 10 Report Share Posted February 10 2 hours ago, wellfan said: We do, but do you honestly see it happening? Last night could finally be the straw to break the camel's back. I would take a draw just now if offered. We had been doing well before last night. Just need a reset but will be a tough game especially with Miovski up top Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmsd Posted February 10 Report Share Posted February 10 1 hour ago, Great Balls of Shire said: It's not Kelly's fault he is on the relatively high wage he is on but we need an exceptional player by our standards for that money It’s not Kelly’s fault are you blind Kelly hasn’t came off his line in 2 years for a high ball he is useless and that summed him up last night useless needs dropped and hope we don’t sign him for next season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellsince75 Posted February 10 Report Share Posted February 10 Just now, dmsd said: It’s not Kelly’s fault are you blind Kelly hasn’t came off his line in 2 years for a high ball he is useless and that summed him up last night useless needs dropped and hope we don’t sign him for next season Not all keepers come off their line - Gorum is an example . no question Kelly has had poor games and looks devoid of confidence . As poor as he was for the first goal last night the defence were equally poor. The amount of crosses into our box where the opposition won the first and second ball is disgraceful and frankly a key reason we concede so many goals . Someone posted earlier at lack of spine - good keeper , good centre halve, centre mid and forward - we lack all of the above . Butcher looks done as a player - I’d rather bring Casey back in and see if he can regain last seasons form Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmsd Posted February 10 Report Share Posted February 10 1 minute ago, wellsince75 said: Not all keepers come off their line - Gorum is an example . no question Kelly has had poor games and looks devoid of confidence . As poor as he was for the first goal last night the defence were equally poor. The amount of crosses into our box where the opposition won the first and second ball is disgraceful and frankly a key reason we concede so many goals . Someone posted earlier at lack of spine - good keeper , good centre halve, centre mid and forward - we lack all of the above . Butcher looks done as a player - I’d rather bring Casey back in and see if he can regain last seasons form I agree about the defence but Kelly is glued to his line all the time and other teams know this am an ex keeper and it sticks out like a sore thumb him stuck to his line …then was it just before the first goal he drops one that nearly cost us a goal he isn’t good enough and can see it’s what’s happened throughout his career starts well then fades away Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellfan Posted February 10 Report Share Posted February 10 10 minutes ago, grizzlyg said: I would take a draw just now if offered. We had been doing well before last night. Just need a reset but will be a tough game especially with Miovski up top Warnock isn’t daft. He’ll analyse last night, with the likely main outcome being the tactic of a barrage of balls into Kelly. A draw takes us back to where we were at before the County game, but I don't even see that happening. A doing is more likely, unfortunately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Dog Posted February 10 Report Share Posted February 10 Buyabu is taking a lot of criticism on here but I thought that he did okay. Fired in a decent cross, tracked back, seems to be comfortable with the ball at his feet and quick too. Hopefully he can link up with Gent in a similar way to Montgomery. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellfan Posted February 10 Report Share Posted February 10 2 minutes ago, Mad Dog said: Buyabu is taking a lot of criticism on here but I thought that he did okay. Fired in a decent cross, tracked back, seems to be comfortable with the ball at his feet and quick too. Hopefully he can link up with Gent in a similar way to Montgomery. He looked vastly out of his depth to me last night, but I did concede that he was dropped into a shit show. Perhaps a start and/or playing alongside Gent will see him step up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mortonhallwell Posted February 10 Report Share Posted February 10 42 minutes ago, Mad Dog said: Don't really see your logic. Why not hope for a winnable home draw in the next round then face one of those Glasgow clubs in the semis or the final? Surely those are worth more to us financially. What would you consider to be a winnable home draw? Just think Raith Rovers or Albion Rovers for example. After last night I wouldn't trust us against any level of opposition. We are capable of delivering a poor performance against any team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellfan Posted February 10 Report Share Posted February 10 Just now, Mortonhallwell said: What would you consider to be a winnable home draw? Just think Raith Rovers or Albion Rovers for example. After last night I wouldn't trust us against any level of opposition. We are capable of delivering a poor performance against any team. This is exactly why we can’t finish in the playoff spot. This squad and manager are an entirely different (shittier?) beast to those in 2015. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FirParkCornerExile Posted February 10 Report Share Posted February 10 2 hours ago, gaz7 said: Sounds easy but with the wind how it was it makes it difficult. Surely you are aware of that . Morton managed it , it's really not that difficult and in many other games we've played the same hoofball when there is no wind at all, with the same pitiful outcomes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FirParkCornerExile Posted February 10 Report Share Posted February 10 1 hour ago, Mortonhallwell said: What would you consider to be a winnable home draw? Just think Raith Rovers or Albion Rovers for example. After last night I wouldn't trust us against any level of opposition. We are capable of delivering a poor performance against any team. So true , we are fair game at any level. I've seen the worst of the worst dick us. So far in my 46 years of watching insufferable shite the only saving grace is we've never drawn Darvel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FirParkCornerExile Posted February 10 Report Share Posted February 10 1 hour ago, wellfan said: This is exactly why we can’t finish in the playoff spot. This squad and manager are an entirely different (shittier?) beast to those in 2015. I actually watched the 2015 play off games on YouTube the other night. The team we had would depose every single player in last night's team Long, Law, Laing, McManus, Hammel, Ainsworth, Lasley , Pearson, Johnson, McDonald, Erwin and John Sutton on of the subs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbybingo Posted February 10 Report Share Posted February 10 2 minutes ago, FirParkCornerExile said: I actually watched the 2015 play off games on YouTube the other night. The team we had would depose every single player in last night's team Long, Law, Laing, McManus, Hammel, Ainsworth, Lasley , Pearson, Johnson, McDonald, Erwin and John Sutton on of the subs. They would, but they still finished in the play-off spot. You could probably say the same about every team who were in the Premier then and now. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FirParkCornerExile Posted February 10 Report Share Posted February 10 6 minutes ago, bobbybingo said: They would, but they still finished in the play-off spot. You could probably say the same about every team who were in the Premier then and now. You have a point that Motherwell play off team would probably be comfortably top six in this current league of dross. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robsterwood Posted February 10 Report Share Posted February 10 Think we should have taken a gamble on getting van veen to get us through cup and another pay day. He's already got 1 assist as a sub. Starts today Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FirParkCornerExile Posted February 10 Report Share Posted February 10 1 minute ago, robsterwood said: Think we should have taken a gamble on getting van veen to get us through cup and another pay day. He's already got 1 assist as a sub. Starts today KVV would have stopped this dreadful goals we lost, scoring goals is not our biggest issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbybingo Posted February 10 Report Share Posted February 10 1 minute ago, FirParkCornerExile said: You have a point that Motherwell play off team would probably comfortably top six in this current league of cross. I always suspected the players' attitude got us through that play-off rather than anything Baraclough did. Makes me wonder about their attitude in the games prior to that, right enough. Summed up by Ainsworth - very capable when he could be arsed. This lot are undoubtedly of a lesser standard but their attitude's been pretty good in most matches, Dingwall and last night being obvious exceptions. Just need to hope they get over it sooner than we will. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FirParkCornerExile Posted February 10 Report Share Posted February 10 18 minutes ago, bobbybingo said: I always suspected the players' attitude got us through that play-off rather than anything Baraclough did. Makes me wonder about their attitude in the games prior to that, right enough. Summed up by Ainsworth - very capable when he could be arsed. This lot are undoubtedly of a lesser standard but their attitude's been pretty good in most matches, Dingwall and last night being obvious exceptions. Just need to hope they get over it sooner than we will. I'm over it already , No one could convince me that lot wouldn't fuck it up. Hence my Sky Bet certainty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelboy Posted February 10 Report Share Posted February 10 39 minutes ago, bobbybingo said: I always suspected the players' attitude got us through that play-off rather than anything Baraclough did. We had better players 1-11 which got us through the playoff. Their stinking attitude got us into the playoff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJC Posted February 10 Report Share Posted February 10 42 minutes ago, bobbybingo said: I always suspected the players' attitude got us through that play-off rather than anything Baraclough did. Makes me wonder about their attitude in the games prior to that, right enough. Summed up by Ainsworth - very capable when he could be arsed. This lot are undoubtedly of a lesser standard but their attitude's been pretty good in most matches, Dingwall and last night being obvious exceptions. Just need to hope they get over it sooner than we will. Stuart McCall being in the opposition dugout played a big part in us getting through the playoff too imo. A bigger bottle merchant in managing one off games you’ll struggle to find. Baraclough being an ‘outsider’ helped us greatly too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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