2024/25 Ins & Outs Discussion

[thewelllfan]

To be completley honest as good as Bair has been I'd be cashing in. Don't see him replicating the same numbers next season and his value will drop. 

Build the team next season around Lennon Miller and ideally get him to sign on for another year to protect his value.

Seen a lot on here wanting to keep Mcginn I don't mind him but he makes too many mistakes for me i'd be bringing in a whole new back 5 only Cb I'd keep is Dan Casey

[weeyin]

Casey has been a bombscare this season. He seems to get a pass because he runs about a lot, but his basic defending skills like marking his man were sorely lacking. 

I'd be fine with building the defence from scratch next season. 

Not including the wingbacks in that although I suspect we'll need new faces there too. 

[grizzlyg]

21 minutes ago, thewelllfan said:

To be completley honest as good as Bair has been I'd be cashing in. Don't see him replicating the same numbers next season and his value will drop. 

Build the team next season around Lennon Miller and ideally get him to sign on for another year to protect his value.

Seen a lot on here wanting to keep Mcginn I don't mind him but he makes too many mistakes for me i'd be bringing in a whole new back 5 only Cb I'd keep is Dan Casey

I said same yesterday to my mates. I can't see Bair repeating form next season and also he won't be an unknown quantity in the league.  However if we still have him next season I won't be complaining,  just please give him a strike partner 

[dennyc]

2 hours ago, wellgirl said:

I'd be very surprised if it were a gentlemans agreement. 

Surely given the fact that other clubs were after him he would want some kind of security. If there was a PCA can Motherwell cancel it? Everything on the Internet re Halliday makes clear that his deal was going to become permanent in the summer. 

If there was a formal PCA in place, would the Club not have announced it that way?  They didn't so that does provide doubt. I live in hope he was promised a deal if he proved his worth by season end. Clearly he has not done so, thus I hope we can walk away. He cannot last 45 minutes and even then he is off the pace. A liability. He has been given plenty of chances and we are not a charity. If other clubs are after him. they can have him.

[StAndrew7]

28 minutes ago, thewelllfan said:

To be completley honest as good as Bair has been I'd be cashing in. Don't see him replicating the same numbers next season and his value will drop. 

Build the team next season around Lennon Miller and ideally get him to sign on for another year to protect his value.

Seen a lot on here wanting to keep Mcginn I don't mind him but he makes too many mistakes for me i'd be bringing in a whole new back 5 only Cb I'd keep is Dan Casey

I'm a fan of Blaney; his recent run in the team has shown me that there's definitely potential there. He's also comfortable with the ball at his feet and looks like he can bring it out of defence when required. Seems like a good communicator, too; always hearing him shouting for headers, etc.

I can't really remember him being responsible for any clangers, either? Like, on Sunday he was in the correct position when Bevis and Kelly had their collective brain-fart and didn't really appear to provide any "oh shit" moments, which Bevis and McGinn did once or twice.

[well_said]

34 minutes ago, pretzel said:

Going back to a fair old bit but we once canceled a contract of a Finnish defender that Harri Kampman signed on a PCA called Harri Ylonen. I don't know if he was recompensed or such or how we got out of that one. Saying that I'm sure things have changed a lot since then.

This was nevin and boyle acting like arseholes to have a dig at kampman,  The guy played 46 times for his country so would have been decent quality.

[StAndrew7]

2 minutes ago, wellgirl said:

I've no idea but I think it would be unusual if I club said to him prove your worth and you'll get a deal at the end. 

I did see something that gave a list of players and it said that Halliday had signed a PCA but I can't find it. It's possible someone posted that list on pie and bov and that's where I saw it. 

 

It doesn't get much more official than the club confirming it when he signed:

https://www.motherwellfc.co.uk/2024/01/19/andy-halliday-arrives-in-ml1/

Opening paragraph; loan, then becomes permanent in the summer.

[StAndrew7]

Just now, wellgirl said:

Yeah. I have seen this and Ive said elsewhere on the boards that this was the case, that his deal was going to become permanent - I think what people are wondering is if this is a PCA. It certainly looks like it is but the club haven't worded it in that way which is causing the confusion. 

 

Yeah, fair point!

[Kmcalpin]

We just don't know. This link, from the Herald, might provide some enlightenment. In short, the devil is in the detail. IF a PCA has been signed, and we don't know that it has, it might be subject to a medical before actual signing the permanent deal i.e. the Celtic/Fojut case.

https://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/13101399.case-pre-contract-not-legally-binding/

[dennyc]

11 minutes ago, wellgirl said:

Yeah. I have seen this and Ive said elsewhere on the boards that this was the case, that his deal was going to become permanent - I think what people are wondering is if this is a PCA. It certainly looks like it is but the club haven't worded it in that way which is causing the confusion. 

 

Exactly this. And the media did not mention a formal PCA either, as they did with Spittal and others.

Time will tell I guess. 

[David]

1 minute ago, wellgirl said:

Tbh I think that if he's signed on a PCA then Motherwell will need to see it out. I'm not particularly calling for him to go but it's a legally binding agreement and if we broke it we'd be very likely liable to compensate him. 

Not only that, but we'd likely be viewed in a negative light by other clubs and players, which could affect future player business.

I mean, imagine how we'd feel if he'd come in on loan under the same agreement to sign for next season and he'd been a revelation, running our midfield and looking amazing, only to get to the summer and say, "Actually, I've had a few better offers elsewhere now after my late-season showing, so I'm just gonna cancel this deal with you guys and bugger off."

It works both ways. If we've made a commitment to the player, we need to honour it.

[StAndrew7]

1 minute ago, David said:

It works both ways. If we've made a commitment to the player, we need to honour it.

Integrity and transparency. It'll never catch on.

[thewelllfan]

24 minutes ago, weeyin said:

Casey has been a bombscare this season. He seems to get a pass because he runs about a lot, but his basic defending skills like marking his man were sorely lacking. 

I'd be fine with building the defence from scratch next season. 

Not including the wingbacks in that although I suspect we'll need new faces there too. 

Disagree with Casey being a bombscare feel far more confident when he's in cb compared to the the other then again that's not saying much. 

[Kmcalpin]

This excerpt from the Herald article may clarify matters "Clubs tend to protect themselves by insisting the player must pass a medical on the day his contract begins, a clause that allowed Celtic to cancel the transfer of Jaroslaw Fojut last summer after the Pole sustained a knee injury."

[thewelllfan]

I reckon Halliday would do a job LWB. He can pass and cross the ball well and got a decent strike on him. Gent has been very good so will be tough to replace

[StAndrew7]

11 minutes ago, wellgirl said:

I think that's a different situation tbh. Halliday has been playing for us since January. Foujat wasn't playing for Celtic before he was about to sign. Surely Halliday would have gone through a medical before he signed on for his loan spell?

I would imagine so, yes; they could well be treated as two different contracts and require a medical at the start of each, though. They'll (probably?) have different structures, given one's a loan and the other is a potential permanent deal.

[bobbybingo]

8 minutes ago, thewelllfan said:

I reckon Halliday would do a job LWB. He can pass and cross the ball well and got a decent strike on him. Gent has been very good so will be tough to replace

If we're looking for someone to replicate what Gent did for us, Halliday's not the man. 

[texanwellfan]

2 minutes ago, bobbybingo said:

If we're looking for someone to replicate what Gent did for us, Halliday's not the man. 

Agree. Not mobile enough for that. Halliday need to be used to sit in the middle of the park add a bit of composure and spray passes around. 

[StAndrew7]

3 minutes ago, bobbybingo said:

If we're looking for someone to replicate what Gent did for us, Halliday's not the man. 

Agreed. Starting him as a defensive full back or deep lying midfielder to ping passes is the only real option. Whatever we do with him, he absolutely needs a player with pace/energy beside him.

[texanwellfan]

1 minute ago, StAndrew7 said:

Agreed. Starting him as a defensive full back or deep lying midfielder to ping passes is the only real option. Whatever we do with him, he absolutely needs a player with pace/energy beside him.

Are you not listening to me?? 😂

[alanos]

So, who’s on everyone’s shopping list?

I’ll start with my picks.

Stephen Kelly, Midfield, Livi. Under contract for another year but always been impressed.

Bruce Anderson, Attacker, Livi. OOC. Always looks a threat. Rumours he’s signed for Killie.

Benjamin Siegrist, Goalkeeper, Celtic. May want first team football Might be too expensive for us as still under contract.

some interesting frees:

Devante Cole & Nicky Cadden Barnsley 

Max Strykek Wycombe 

Greg Docherty Hull

 

[Great Balls of Shire]

Why don't you all give Halliday a decent pre season to get fit before talking of ripping up legal agreements?

He might turn out to be OK.

[TheoBair14]

Heard a few things about Kevin Davrovski and Motherwell 

might be replacement of Kelly? 

[pretzel]

2 minutes ago, TheoBair14 said:

Heard a few things about Kevin Davrovski and Motherwell 

might be replacement of Kelly? 

He still has a year left and we would need to fork out some dosh.

Joe Lewis is a name that keeps popping up via various sources.

[TheoBair14]

4 minutes ago, pretzel said:

He still has a year left and we would need to fork out some dosh.

Joe Lewis is a name that keeps popping up via various sources.

Sure he was at Aberdeen not long ago