GrahamH Posted February 23 Report Share Posted February 23 12 hours ago, joewarkfanclub said: Im guessing the majority of posters on here werent at the game today as I feel I was watching something totally different from everyone else. First half I thought we competed well enough and were much less passive than under Kettlewell. We werent as composed on the ball as we might have been but we still created a few chances with Maswanhise in particular coming very close. United had more possession but the goal apart, which could have been defended better, they didnt threaten us that much. Second half was much better. We controlled the ball more and put pressure on the United defence and they had to put bodies on the line to keep us out. United did create some chances on the break but Balcombe and our defence dealt with it for the most part. Yes we lost the game today, but it was far more entertaining to watch and I left with a hope and a belief that things are going ro get better. Thats lightyears ahead of the way Ive felt for most of the season. The performance was far from perfect and all our weaknesses and deficiencies are still there for all to see. But if folks dont think that was an improvement today? I dont know what to say. PS Lennon Miller maybe wasnt great today in a creative sense. But he worked his socks off and his interceptions were absolutely vital at times. He dealt with Alan Campbell physically to the extent Campbell wa substituted. Maybe cut the boy some slack and appreciate what he does bring instead of what he didnt today. I always find it funny that you get certain posters continually telling everybody how poor we are, we’re getting relegated, won’t win another game etc. Then they seem to expect us to beat the team sitting in 4th place away from home and start all the wailing again when we don’t. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FirParkCornerExile Posted February 23 Report Share Posted February 23 12 hours ago, Spit_It_Out said: One thing I hope Wimmer sees is SOD is shouldn't be playing anywhere in a back three. Having witnessed the highlights now that effort to try head the ball for the goal is shocking my 5ft grandad couldn't have jumped higher than him. Nah I think teams are seeing this as a weak point in our three at the back and abusing it with good results. you can add Halliday to that mix , struts about looking like a player and actually doing fuck all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
star sail Posted February 23 Report Share Posted February 23 14 minutes ago, GrahamH said: I always find it funny that you get certain posters continually telling everybody how poor we are, we’re getting relegated, won’t win another game etc. Then they seem to expect us to beat the team sitting in 4th place away from home and start all the wailing again when we don’t. This 100%. I have come to the conclusion that for some, the melodrama and angst the knocking of the team, individual players, the manager, the club is actually their happy place. That is the sport. If there cannot be a doze of positivity, optimism and patience when a new management team comes in then people are not in it for the good vibes. People got what they wanted. Kettlewell is gone. The performance yesterday was better if only slightly. Realism yes. Perpetual pessimism, not for me. Spring is just around the corner. We move to Wednesday night with some hope that a result is possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FirParkCornerExile Posted February 23 Report Share Posted February 23 15 minutes ago, GrahamH said: I always find it funny that you get certain posters continually telling everybody how poor we are, we’re getting relegated, won’t win another game etc. Then they seem to expect us to beat the team sitting in 4th place away from home and start all the wailing again when we don’t. teams at the arse end of the league have beaten us when we were 4th / 5th . / 6th / 7th / 8th .. and the bottom team beat us two weeks on the trot when we were 5th. In this league everyone up to 2nd is beatable unless of course its us they are facing , 1 win in 11 is absolutely abysmal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamH Posted February 23 Report Share Posted February 23 1 minute ago, FirParkCornerExile said: teams at the arse end of the league have beaten us when we were 4th / 5th . / 6th / 7th / 8th .. and the bottom team beat us two weeks on the trot when we were 5th. In this league everyone up to 2nd is beatable unless of course its us they are facing , 1 win in 11 is absolutely abysmal. TBF you’re one of the people I laugh at quite regularly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FirParkCornerExile Posted February 23 Report Share Posted February 23 1 minute ago, GrahamH said: TBF you’re one of the people I laugh at quite regularly. TBF you're one of the people I do likewise , maybe we should start a double act. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamH Posted February 23 Report Share Posted February 23 Just now, FirParkCornerExile said: TBF you're one of the people I do likewise , maybe we should start a double act. I barely post anything on here so how does that work? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FirParkCornerExile Posted February 23 Report Share Posted February 23 1 minute ago, GrahamH said: I barely post anything on here so how does that work? Aw to be fair you've have 900 funny posts thats not bad. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamH Posted February 23 Report Share Posted February 23 8 minutes ago, FirParkCornerExile said: Aw to be fair you've have 900 funny posts thats not bad. 900 posts in 16 years with only 9 in the past year including todays. I think that qualifies as barely posting anything so not sure how you get a regular laugh from that. Each to their own though so I’ll leave it there. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Wispy Flossy Posted February 23 Report Share Posted February 23 FWIW I also thought we played a bit better yesterday. However we still never created a clear cut chance and gave up a good few. Plenty of room for improvement. To do so, we need to find a way to getting miller and slattery on the park for more than 25 minutes. Also, although there were positive signs from Armstrong for 45mins against Celtic nothing has stuck since. Plange looks a handful and should be worthy of more minutes in forthcoming games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FirParkCornerExile Posted February 23 Report Share Posted February 23 Just now, Big Wispy Flossy said: FWIW I also thought we played a bit better yesterday. However we still never created a clear cut chance and gave up a good few. Plenty of room for improvement. To do so, we need to find a way to getting miller and slattery on the park for more than 25 minutes. Also, although there were positive signs from Armstrong for 45mins against Celtic nothing has stuck since. Plange looks a handful and should be worthy of more minutes in forthcoming games. Correct there was an improvement but still poor, its still a major worry when teams don't play that well against us but just need to get their noses in front and we are invariably beat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuwell2 Posted February 23 Report Share Posted February 23 I’ve never played the game at any decent level so don’t understand the full set up to a great degree but having been in positions of management in my career using what was staff were available to get things done (feck me that sounds like something from a CV) I get a lot of what folk are saying about SOD but to be fair to the guy he’s playing in a position that’s not his natural position, he is getting to the end of his career and as such he ain’t as mobile as he once was but I do believe that he is trying and I’m sure that if there was anyone else who the manager (and previous custodian of the role) thought was better then they wouldn’t have SOD in that position. I don’t know the guy but I do feel he gets a load of undeserved stick here and at games, yesterday for example, leaving him one on one with their top scorer was poor from the other defenders and as I’ve said previously, rest of the game he was no better or worse than most of the team. Maybe folk should try to encourage him and the others during the games and leave their abuse for on here where it might not effect them. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FirParkCornerExile Posted February 23 Report Share Posted February 23 9 minutes ago, Stuwell2 said: I’ve never played the game at any decent level so don’t understand the full set up to a great degree but having been in positions of management in my career using what was staff were available to get things done (feck me that sounds like something from a CV) I get a lot of what folk are saying about SOD but to be fair to the guy he’s playing in a position that’s not his natural position, he is getting to the end of his career and as such he ain’t as mobile as he once was but I do believe that he is trying and I’m sure that if there was anyone else who the manager (and previous custodian of the role) thought was better then they wouldn’t have SOD in that position. I don’t know the guy but I do feel he gets a load of undeserved stick here and at games, yesterday for example, leaving him one on one with their top scorer was poor from the other defenders and as I’ve said previously, rest of the game he was no better or worse than most of the team. Maybe folk should try to encourage him and the others during the games and leave their abuse for on here where it might not effect them. He deserves much of the criticism of late but we have players who are just as bad but they dont get as much as SOD does. He is an easy target. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuwell2 Posted February 23 Report Share Posted February 23 17 minutes ago, FirParkCornerExile said: He deserves much of the criticism of late but we have players who are just as bad but they dont get as much as SOD does. He is an easy target. I’m not saying he doesn’t deserve the criticism but who do we have that can do better in that position? If McGinn was fit SOD wouldn’t be there. Of the others who have played there this season and are fit were they any better? We have a young central defender who’s 16 or 17 that SOD, McGinn and Halliday all spoke highly of at a Q&A if he can play that position then I’d be tempted to take a chance on him but if he’s not ready or it’s not his position then we’re stuck with SOD and all I’m saying is abusing him during games ain’t helping him, the team and ultimately us the supporters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FirParkCornerExile Posted February 23 Report Share Posted February 23 5 minutes ago, Stuwell2 said: I’m not saying he doesn’t deserve the criticism but who do we have that can do better in that position? If McGinn was fit SOD wouldn’t be there. Of the others who have played there this season and is fit were they any better? We have a young central defender who’s 16 or 17 that SOD, McGinn and Halliday all spoke highly of at a Q&A if he can play that position then I’d be tempted to take a chance on him but if he’s not ready or it’s not his position then we’re stuck with SOD and all I’m saying is abusing him during games ain’t helping him, the team and ultimately us the supporters. Abusing any player during a game is utterly pointless. Even though I'm a generally pessimistic and frustrated when it comes to the dross we watch far too often, I never abuse any player during a game, its not going to make them play any better. If you want to vent your spleen do it on here or other forums, that only upsets the happy clappies and I don't give two fucks about them 😁 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuwell2 Posted February 23 Report Share Posted February 23 3 minutes ago, FirParkCornerExile said: Abusing any player during a game is utterly pointless. Even though I'm a generally pessimistic and frustrated when it comes to the dross we watch far too often I never abuse any player during a game, its not going to make them play any better. I feel your frustration mate and agree with you, if only some others who feel the need to vent their frustration would just keep it in check or groan rather that shout at players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FirParkCornerExile Posted February 23 Report Share Posted February 23 11 minutes ago, Stuwell2 said: I feel your frustration mate and agree with you, if only some others who feel the need to vent their frustration would just keep it in check or groan rather that shout at players. In all my years watching Motherwell I've never seen a player who was having a shocker who actually got better with fans berating them. There is zero evidence to suggest its anything other than destructive. Mind you if they ever see me with my head in my hands they will know how bad they are playing ... 😁 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onthefringes Posted February 23 Report Share Posted February 23 1 hour ago, Big Wispy Flossy said: FWIW I also thought we played a bit better yesterday. However we still never created a clear cut chance and gave up a good few. Plenty of room for improvement. To do so, we need to find a way to getting miller and slattery on the park for more than 25 minutes. Also, although there were positive signs from Armstrong for 45mins against Celtic nothing has stuck since. Plange looks a handful and should be worthy of more minutes in forthcoming games. Merit in what you say, just felt we asked Armstrong then Plange to do their best work with their backs to goal and fairly isolated. Be interesting to see if our forward line get the rewards decent service would bring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllyMax Posted February 23 Report Share Posted February 23 57 minutes ago, Stuwell2 said: I’m not saying he doesn’t deserve the criticism but who do we have that can do better in that position? If McGinn was fit SOD wouldn’t be there. Of the others who have played there this season and are fit were they any better? We have a young central defender who’s 16 or 17 that SOD, McGinn and Halliday all spoke highly of at a Q&A if he can play that position then I’d be tempted to take a chance on him but if he’s not ready or it’s not his position then we’re stuck with SOD and all I’m saying is abusing him during games ain’t helping him, the team and ultimately us the supporters. Absolutely this. The last time we had a good defense was McGinn- Butcher - Casey. McGinn has organizational skills and bags of experience, Butcher was dominant and aggressive and Casey is just Casey. Aggressive but maybe not the best but he had two very experienced men with him. The new manager has looked at what he had and decided that was the best he could put on the park at the time, as did the previous one. If you think you could fix our defensive problems by dropping SOD you're borderline insane. Also, Dalby is one of the top scorers in the league, he's big, good in the air and dangerous. Should we not have had Gordon on him like a rash rather than a RB making do as a central defender ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mio Posted February 23 Report Share Posted February 23 43 minutes ago, FirParkCornerExile said: In all my years watching Motherwell I've never seen a player who was having a shocker who actually got better with fans berating them. There is zero evidence to suggest its anything other than destructive. Mind you if they ever see me with my head in my hands they will know how bad they are playing ... 😁 Michael Higdon is the one that springs to mind? He got dogs abuse, gave a “get it up yi” sign to the fans and then went on a goal spree lol I feel for ODonnell, I think he’s an honest player and an honest guy and a player who has represented us really well since he signed but I think he’s done now …. I really do, it was like watching Joe wark when we got promoted in 1982 and was past it (not that I’m comparing football ability as Joe was 100 times the player SODs is/was) but I feel for him getting abuse as he’s not the one picking himself. I actually think he starts games reasonably well, he then makes a mistake (every week) and then caves. It’s an absolute confidence thing I’m sure and Wimmer will need to deal with that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmcalpin Posted February 23 Report Share Posted February 23 4 minutes ago, AllyMax said: The new manager has looked at what he had and decided that was the best he could put on the park at the time, as did the previous one. If you think you could fix our defensive problems by dropping SOD you're borderline insane. Also, Dalby is one of the top scorers in the league, he's big, good in the air and dangerous. Should we not have had Gordon on him like a rash rather than a RB making do as a central defender ? I suspect that he was given advice by coaches on who to pick and in what positions. Can't see him coming up with that line up independently in just a few days. SOD is not a central defender and never has been. Of late he's been costing us a goal per game. I'm not especially impressed by Balmer but he's a better option, if played in the right position. Agree about covering Dalby. I'm not pinning all our problems on SOD by the way, its just that this conversation is primarily about him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texanwellfan Posted February 23 Report Share Posted February 23 5 hours ago, Richie said: With regards to SOD I've not been shouting about him, but its noticable this season that his decision making has been poor - A confidence thing, I don't know? There have been a catalogue of errors leading to goals. Yesterday he's wrong side of Dalby, he needs to sort that and get closer/disrupt the header (without fouling/jersey pulling etc). He seems more effective when hes either backs to the wall, or if he's being used in a more attacking sense as a WB/RB, although I think the issue he may face now is he's at an age where his legs are going. He's a seasoned Pro and under Clarke's direction played well, so hopefully Wimmer can get him to click. SOD was the right side, he got out jumped. (I just checked highlights) As someone stated yesterday we should have had Gordon or Casey on that guy. Having said that, I agree that SOD is not the answer in a back 3 and is struggling Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stv Posted February 23 Report Share Posted February 23 3 hours ago, GrahamH said: I barely post anything on here so how does that work? You could be the silent partner 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grizzlyg Posted February 23 Report Share Posted February 23 Was good seeing reception players and management got at full time. Only way we will get out of this is by sticking together.....COYW 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewarkfanclub Posted February 23 Report Share Posted February 23 To be fair to our support, I didnt hear any negativity at the game yesterday. They stayed with the team and provided the appropriate encouragement for the full 90 mins and applauded the teams efforts at the end. It felt clear to me that the majority who made the journey were encouraged by the improvement shown in energy and application and that for now at least, that will do.... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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