2025/26 Ins & Outs Discussion

[texanwellfan]

We should definitely not be selling any of our good players in this window, or in the summer if we can help it. 
I’ve not given up on a top 3 spot yet.  
Shankland out for a bit so maybe Hearts will struggle. We still have to play rangers and Celtic twice. Both uglies are capable of dropping points against any team in the league, as well as against each other. Of course, we are also capable of dropping points but there is still 16 games to go amd a lot can happen. At full strength and playing well, we are more than capable of beating either of the uglies. 

[FirParkCornerExile]

6 hours ago, weeyin said:

They also have to consider the alternative. Imagine Jake Hastie had stayed with us and taken on board the coaching turning him into a better player and was now a regular starter for Cardiff City on 7 grand a week,

I get that it's a tough decision, and never criticise any player that chooses the money option. No idea what I would have done in the alternate universe where I was a player in that situation. 

Yeah but the money was guaranteed, turning into something special with us if he'd stayed  was not and never would have be guarenteed

[weeyin]

30 minutes ago, FirParkCornerExile said:

Yeah but the money was guaranteed, turning into something special with us if he'd stayed  was not and never would have be guarenteed

That's right. 

It's the same with selling players. Do we cash in on Watt, JT and Just in January for guaranteed money or keep them in the hope they keep us in the top 4 and help with a good cup run?

Option 1 is money in the hand, but with the risk of sliding into the bottom half of the table, losing to Aberdeen in the cup and crowds falling again. Plus not repeating a season like this in the forseeable future.

Option 2 is speculative, but the rewards could be a good cup run, a European spot, maintaining higher crowds and a season to remember.

Risk/reward can be a difficult calculation for players and clubs.

[texanwellfan]

15 minutes ago, weeyin said:

That's right. 

It's the same with selling players. Do we cash in on Watt, JT and Just in January for guaranteed money or keep them in the hope they keep us in the top 4 and help with a good cup run?

Option 1 is money in the hand, but with the risk of sliding into the bottom half of the table, losing to Aberdeen in the cup and crowds falling again. Plus not repeating a season like this in the forseeable future.

Option 2 is speculative, but the rewards could be a good cup run, a European spot, maintaining higher crowds and a season to remember.

Risk/reward can be a difficult calculation for players and clubs.

We’ve played 2 rounds of fixtures and the manner of our performance in games is a whole new level for us but after 22 games+ it doesn’t look like a flash in the pan so in this instance I’d go with option 2 

thinking back to Jake Hastie, I think he performed over a handful of games and was a good move for him going to rangers. 

[mio]

Why the fk is Halliday on a podcast saying it’d take £3m for Maswanhise to leave us in January?

he needs his arse booted. His opinions in general are fine but not when it comes to teammates and something which would make our team poorer.

[Yabba's Turd]

3m is a lot of money for a club like us

[grizzlyg]

5 minutes ago, mio said:

Why the fk is Halliday on a podcast saying it’d take £3m for Maswanhise to leave us in January?

he needs his arse booted. His opinions in general are fine but not when it comes to teammates and something which would make our team poorer.

I would have been more annoyed if he had said £300k

[weeyin]

1 minute ago, Yabba's Turd said:

3m is a lot of money for a club like us

We need to be charging what the player is worth.

[grizzlyg]

1 hour ago, weeyin said:

That's right. 

It's the same with selling players. Do we cash in on Watt, JT and Just in January for guaranteed money or keep them in the hope they keep us in the top 4 and help with a good cup run?

Option 1 is money in the hand, but with the risk of sliding into the bottom half of the table, losing to Aberdeen in the cup and crowds falling again. Plus not repeating a season like this in the forseeable future.

Option 2 is speculative, but the rewards could be a good cup run, a European spot, maintaining higher crowds and a season to remember.

Risk/reward can be a difficult calculation for players and clubs.

Option 1 and someone welcome to my season ticket.  We sold star player for £4.5 million in summer so no need to sell anyone.  If we sold that trio our season goes pear shaped and you lose about 2000 off the home crowds.  This is best season i have enjoyed in over 30 years and could finish on a high, even more so if we have our best players 

[mfc]

11 minutes ago, mio said:

Why the fk is Halliday on a podcast saying it’d take £3m for Maswanhise to leave us in January?

he needs his arse booted. His opinions in general are fine but not when it comes to teammates and something which would make our team poorer.

Agreed,that's stupidity from halliday,he's just created a headline when there didn't need to be one.

[mio]

10 minutes ago, Yabba's Turd said:

3m is a lot of money for a club like us

When in the same breath he’s saying about Bowie being worth £6.5m….. get yersel to fk Andy.

When both of those poisons have recently bought Idah for £9m and Chermiti for £9m and TJ quoted for £3m utter baws!!

[wellsince75]

7 minutes ago, mio said:

When in the same breath he’s saying about Bowie being worth £6.5m….. get yersel to fk Andy.

When both of those poisons have recently bought Idah for £9m and Chermiti for £9m and TJ quoted for £3m utter baws!!

Mio - I’m with you big time on this one. 
 

first of all - he should shut his mouth and have nothing to say about any Motherwell players value - he’s a player not our ceo . Know your place type thing . 
 

If referencing other clubs players being with 6.5m etc , it would have been so much easier to say - this is a 22 year old international player here at FP who’s the leagues top scorer .  Now if others are worth 6M then be interesting to see how much clubs would pay for the top scorer . 
 

in all honesty it’s passed the time Halliday moved to his next role , either as a pundit or go play at Patrick or similar . I know he means well but I don’t really see him as promoting us, more himself and being dragged into the media OF that so many others have lived off for donkeys years 

[mio]

1 minute ago, wellsince75 said:

Mio - I’m with you big time on this one. 
 

first of all - he should shut his mouth and have nothing to say about any Motherwell players value - he’s a player not our ceo . Know your place type thing . 
 

If referencing other clubs players being with 6.5m etc , it would have been so much easier to say - this is a 22 year old international player here at FP who’s the leagues top scorer .  Now if others are worth 6M then be interesting to see how much clubs would pay for the top scorer . 
 

in all honesty it’s passed the time Halliday moved to his next role , either as a pundit or go play at Patrick or similar . I know he means well but I don’t really see him as promoting us, more himself and being dragged into the media OF that so many others have lived off for donkeys years 

Totally agree.

[texanwellfan]

He should know better than to say things like that in public or even in private. He should be telling possible suitors to fek off, we need him at Motherwell to finish our season. He’s not for sale. 

[texanwellfan]

I’m just hoping his agent doesn’t talk him into submitting a transfer request so he can go to one of the uglies. If his agent has half A brain and a wee bit of patience, he’ll get a better club and better financial deal down south. 

[weeyin]

3 minutes ago, texanwellfan said:

I’m just hoping his agent doesn’t talk him into submitting a transfer request so he can go to one of the uglies. If his agent has half A brain and a wee bit of patience, he’ll get a better club and better financial deal down south. 

If agents had their way, all their players would move every window. 

[Ya Bezzer!]

42 minutes ago, mio said:

When in the same breath he’s saying about Bowie being worth £6.5m….. get yersel to fk Andy.

When both of those poisons have recently bought Idah for £9m and Chermiti for £9m and TJ quoted for £3m utter baws!!

Seeing James Scott playing for Ross County on Saturday, (as well as Allan Campbell signing for St. Mirren after sitting around for 6 months without a club) should have been a reminder that virtually none of the players we've sold on for big money have really made any real impact at a higher level.

Even arguably the best players we've produced in the modern era, James McFadden, Phil O'Donnell or Tom Boyd, have not exactly set the heather on fire down south.

You have to think that that affects any sell on price for a player after a while.

Certainly if I was buying from a club one of the first things I'd be looking at is, have players from this club succeed at a higher level?

Hibs can point to John McGinn at least.

[mio]

3 minutes ago, Ya Bezzer! said:

Seeing James Scott playing for Ross County on Saturday, (as well as Allan Campbell signing for St. Mirren after sitting around for 6 months without a club) should have been a reminder that virtually none of the players we've sold on for big money have really made any real impact at a higher level.

Even arguably the best players we've produced in the modern era, James McFadden, Phil O'Donnell or Tom Boyd, have not exactly set the heather on fire down south.

You have to think that that affects any sell on price for a player after a while.

Certainly if I was buying from a club one of the first things I'd be looking at is, have players from this club succeed at a higher level?

Hibs can point to John McGinn at least.

Thats fine then, your quite right, let’s just punt him for nothing because of our past history of under achieving players.

nonsense 

[Ya Bezzer!]

11 minutes ago, mio said:

Thats fine then, your quite right, let’s just punt him for nothing because of our past history of under achieving players.

nonsense 

Way to miss the point.

What I'm saying is if you have exactly the same player at Stranraer, Motherwell, Hibs and Celtic the transfer fee received is going to be in a pretty predictable order.

[mio]

4 minutes ago, Ya Bezzer! said:

Way to miss the point.

What I'm saying is if you have exactly the same player at Stranraer, Motherwell, Hibs and Celtic the transfer fee received is going to be in a pretty predictable order.

Accies got £3m for James McCarthy in 2009.

I can’t recall Accies having a conveyor belt of quality talent prior to him.

[robsterwood]

6 minutes ago, Ya Bezzer! said:

Way to miss the point.

What I'm saying is if you have exactly the same player at Stranraer, Motherwell, Hibs and Celtic the transfer fee received is going to be in a pretty predictable order.

Every player is different and has different attributes and abilities. Can't make assumptions based on your very brief examples. That's an absurd comment to make. Halland came from small club in Norway. Possibly Miller may get to next level. Your view is fairly short sighted. 

[Ya Bezzer!]

17 minutes ago, mio said:

Accies got £3m for James McCarthy in 2009.

I can’t recall Accies having a conveyor belt of quality talent prior to him.

And since then?

Maybe you should look at transfer fees as a proportion of the overall club turn over.

£3 million pounds to us is probably 'worth' more to us than £6 million pounds to Hibs when you consider budgets, wages and so forth.

 

[FirParkCornerExile]

3 hours ago, weeyin said:

That's right. 

It's the same with selling players. Do we cash in on Watt, JT and Just in January for guaranteed money or keep them in the hope they keep us in the top 4 and help with a good cup run?

Option 1 is money in the hand, but with the risk of sliding into the bottom half of the table, losing to Aberdeen in the cup and crowds falling again. Plus not repeating a season like this in the forseeable future.

Option 2 is speculative, but the rewards could be a good cup run, a European spot, maintaining higher crowds and a season to remember.

Risk/reward can be a difficult calculation for players and clubs.

I think it comes down to the offer. If it was £2 million. Could we possibly make that with Europe and a good cup run, yes possibly so it's worth knocking back. If the bid was £4 million would we be likely to make that with a cup run and European Football? Highly unlikely so that offer becomes worth it.