League Cup Semi Motherwell v St Mirren 1/11/2025

[weeyin]

I know people are upset, but if we're going to abandon everything after a poor game, then we might was well bring back Hammell or Malpas and play "proper" Scottish football.

Go back and reed last season's match threads if you want to see what's in store if we go back down that path.

I'd rather we keep developing and bring in a few more players that fit in January than go back to Kettle-ball.

[mfc]

I like what the manager is trying to do and there's no reason we can't be relatively successful doing it but we can't keep defending like we have been this season or it will always be one step forward and two back.we needed a clearout of defenders in the summer and it didn't happen plus we now have a keeper that isn't good enough.having gordon,mcginn and Jonny k in the starting line up in a semi final is pretty grim considering they were all on the books last season and we were just as bad defensively then.

[Big Wispy Flossy]

4 minutes ago, texanwellfan said:

Not our day. Back to league business. As well getting beat 4-1 as 2-1. 
well below our best as a team and individually today but hopefully that won’t happen too many games. 

St Mirren got every break going and 4 1 wasn’t entirely deserved but we never had a plan how to deal with them. Thats the blueprint for others now. We need to be adaptable

[Richie]

No idea why Slattery didn't start.

[Spit_It_Out]

Just need some muscle for me if we had a Bair esk type up front we would be a much better team.

We looked so weak today players were off it all over the pitch it was a horror show.

January need to have a clean out get some players in that can play this system from the off.

 

[robsterwood]

5 minutes ago, FirParkCornerExile said:

Disgraceful performance.

No point playing all the football and giving a team that's scored 8 goals in 10 games 4 goals. Our delivery into the box throughout the game was amateurish. To lose another two goals after getting ourselves back into it is up there with the all time Motherwell fuck ups.

I'm not so sure they will get pumped. They are very good at what they do, people may not like it but they are big strong, can defend and can take chances when presented to them.

All the omens before the game were good so no surprise we lost. That has been my life supporting Motherwell and to get absolutely shagged like that is shameful , utterly shameful. 

Will wage any money that they don't win final 

[BigManTam]

Let's no go over the top here gents. A disappointing performance no doubt, but their first 2 goals - what can you say really?

First one awful defending - thats nothing to do with our style. Second one they get a break and their forward scores probably his best goal of the season.

After we got our goal back, St. Mirren did dominate and we crumbled at the back - but we were chasing the game and desperate at that point.

What needs to change for us?

It's been said a million times but Ap Stam won't cut the mustard. Hopefully Hendry can fill that gap but it's 50/50 right now whether he can, although I personally think he's much better than Ap at least.

Crossing diabolical and what's even the point when we have nobody with any real threat from headers?

JBA will be aware of this - we've made great progress so far this season but don't forget JBA has been here less than 6 months. He will need some windows to identify weaknesses and plug gaps. Robinson has been with St. Mirren and good while and has optimised his team (and they're still shite). 

A perhaps necessary lesson today.

[wellon]

21 minutes ago, MJC said:

Sadly accurate.

We’re good in the middle but ultimately ineffective as a team because we can’t win football matches. The two league games that we have managed to win have been last gasp and one of them was gifted to us by the opposition goalkeeper.

We have won 3 league games and all goals count even the ones gifted by goalies.

We were bullied today and they did the 2 boxes better.

[mfc]

2 minutes ago, Richie said:

No idea why Slattery didn't start.

that was a strange one,were far better with him in the team and offers something none of the other midfielders do.welsh for me should also have started,he's came from a club that wins almost everything going,we could have done with some of that experience of getting over the line in games likes this.

[ppower]

2 minutes ago, Spit_It_Out said:

Just need some muscle for me if we had a Bair esk type up front we would be a much better team.

We looked so weak today players were off it all over the pitch it was a horror show.

January need to have a clean out get some players in that can play this system from the off.

 

Start with players in the midfield that can actually tackle and win a ball. Also fed up to fuck with manger who continually only plays one up front. Take Maswanhise's goals away and we are down where Livingston are. If he doesn't score we are in trouble on any game.

[robsterwood]

Positives Hendry took chance well.

Also we don't need to listen to that sectarian bile in final. And we don't need to fork out a lot of money for pleasure of seeing us being pumped.

[robsterwood]

As an Irish Muppet moron once said. You need to earn the right to play football. We didn't earn the right. 

[claretband]

Bad case of stage fright. Would struggle to pick our MOM


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[MJC]

35 minutes ago, wellon said:

We have won 3 league games and all goals count even the ones gifted by goalies.

We were bullied today and they did the 2 boxes better.

My mistake sorry. Yes we have won three league games. 
 

But that doesn’t change that both I mentioned were last gasp and one was down to a goalkeeper blunder.

In this league to be in any way successful you have to be able to combine a degree of skill with an even bigger degree of physicality. Unfortunately for us we have a little bit of skill in the middle of the park and absolutely zero physicality so therefore we are an ineffective team.

[0Neils40yarder]

Utter, toothless shite, from start to finish.

Unless Slattery was carrying a knock, not starting him is baffling

[FirParkCornerExile]

To these people saying we need to abandon the style play , you are talking nonsense. What we need is to replace players with guys who can do it and that's why the January window will  be important. I'd rather watch us playing like we do even if we lose than watch the utter shite Kilmarnock fans are watching when they lose.

[BigManTam]

9 minutes ago, MJC said:

My mistake sorry. Yes we have won three league games. 
 

But that doesn’t change that both were last gasp and one was down to a goalkeeper blunder.

In this league to be in any way successful you have to be able to combine a degree of skill with an even bigger degree of physicality. Unfortunately for us we have a little bit of skill in the middle of the park and absolutely zero physicality so therefore we are an ineffective team.

Dundee Utd on Wednesday??

[Ya Bezzer!]

As I’ve said before I don’t really agree with the ‘no cutting edge’ theory, we’ve scored plenty goals for a team with no cutting edge. Although there may be an issue with the centre forward though.

For large parts of the game we were the better team but St Mirren were more composed, when we looked nervy.

Did all the street smarts and dark arts better than us, were physically stronger and gave us a severe lesson in finishing as well as defending. 

We weren’t at our best in any area of the pitch today but the big issue was defensively.

At 2-1 we should be right back in the match with 10 to play. Instead we instantly concede a trash goal.  

We really need to defend better cos asking for a cutting edge that scores 3 or 4 goals is a big, big ask.

[Spiderpig]

Just back in, where to start with that performance today, we got what we deserved absolutely feck all.

St mirren were 2-0 up with two shots on target,  2nd half they knew the game was won and just sat back, knowing fine well we were not going to trouble  them.

We finally do something right and get back into the game only to shit the nest 1 min later, another defensive shit fest, especially from Ward.

Playing out from the back with flowing tippy tappy stuff is ok but we are too slow and have no threat up front, and St Mirren knew that.

What concerns me is that JBA seemed to have no plan B, continuing with the same approach that clearly wasn't working.

4-1 flattered st mirren big time but we were brutal, a big chance missed today oh and our support were anonymous for most of the game. Our tactics and game plan were shit today that needs to change.

[mfc]

10 minutes ago, FirParkCornerExile said:

To these people saying we need to abandon the style play , you are talking nonsense. What we need is to replace players with guys who can do it and that's why the January window will  be important. I'd rather watch us playing like we do even if we lose than watch the utter shite Kilmarnock fans are watching when they lose.

Totally agree we don't need to abandon anything,what were doing is working to a point but to keep making progress we need some more players in that are comfortable in the system and some that can actually defend,it was always going to take time.theres absolutely no doubt though that were paying the price for having most of the defenders that were here last season,we needed a complete change in that department over the summer and it never happened.

[Orinoco]

Its still early days.  Mirren are a settled team, who on the day took their chances when the ball broke to them.  You need luck to win a cup and they got plenty today. 

Sometimes a step back can be more beneficial in the long term.

St Mirren are what we were years ago. Big bad and ugly with the odd flash of brilliance. It only gets you so far.

[mio]

Just in and that was awful, really disappointing and I can’t help but think we played like a team who believed our own press and thought we just needed to turn up today.

i can’t stand Robinson and his team and style of play but they knew exactly what to do today to stop us and we were outmuscled in every area of that park. I thought Welsh steadied things a bit when he came on but we were poor and didn’t deserve anything today.

i want JBA to continue to play his team in the way he has done but he needs to know how to manage playing massive spoiler teams like st Mirren and not get bullied.
 I’m sure JBA and the players have learned a massive lesson today but that did feel a bad one, a really good chance of a final blown.

 

[MJC]

Fair assessment from JBA post match basically saying we were second best and didn’t defend well enough. He needs to show that he and the team can learn from it though. 

[MFC-craig]

Pretty miserable after that. 
 

plenty of nice play followed by launching poor balls into the box or attempting to score the perfect goal when the opportunity to shoot presented itself. 
 

Falkirk were able to bully us, feels like it was inevitable that the professional bullies would run over the top of us. 
 

hopefully a couple of transfer windows we can add some mettle to the team to give us a different option if teams are more physical than we are. 

[FirParkCornerExile]

5 minutes ago, mfc said:

Totally agree we don't need to abandon anything,what were doing is working to a point but to keep making progress we need some more players in that are comfortable in the system and some that can actually defend,it was always going to take time.theres absolutely no doubt though that were paying the price for having most of the defenders that were here last season,we needed a complete change in that department over the summer and it never happened.

Correct and we have the funds to do it.