Livingston v Motherwell 25/10/2025

[fizoxy]

Justs header was definitely offside to the naked eye when it was replayed. The first one was very close, but the linesman gave it, so VAR wasnt a factor.

Offside decisions don't need to be clear and obvious, you're either onside or you aren't. Whether the cameras are good enough is a different question, but the lines are consistent at each ground at least.

As soon as you move away from the factual decisions for offside you would get all sort of stupid interpretations, like with all the other var decisions. It would be better if we just didn't have it at all. 
 

[weeyin]

VAR checks every goal scored regardless of what the linesman says. 

I don't have any issue with factual interpretations - my suggestion is the law needs to be changed to revert to the spirit of it.

You could still either be on or off; just use different criteria.

Actually, I'd prefer to ditch VAR, but if we are stuck with it, the laws need to adapt to keep up with the technology.

 

 

[Richie]

That said, I don't think checking to see if a player has a toenail offside is in the spirit of the offside law.

Was it not originally 'seeking to gain an advantage' by standing offside, or something?

 

[wellfan]

We’re being sold a sham in Scotland that would never fly in the English top flight, yet we just sit and accept it every week. Budget VAR tech, incompetent officials, and plastic pitches. I’ve had enough.

[joewarkfanclub]

3 hours ago, wellfan said:

We’re being sold a sham in Scotland that would never fly in the English top flight, yet we just sit and accept it every week. Budget VAR tech, incompetent officials, and plastic pitches. I’ve had enough.

I hear you buddy, but you're still going on Wednesday though, right?

[wellfan]

9 minutes ago, joewarkfanclub said:

I hear you buddy, but you're still going on Wednesday though, right?

I’ll still be going because I’m a longstanding season ticket holder, but I think I’ll genuinely hesitate before renewing next season. VAR and the clowns running it have ripped every bit of spontaneity and enjoyment out of going to the football. It’s supposed to be entertainment, and instead we’re standing about waiting on decisions nobody in the ground can understand. We’re being taken for absolute mugs, and I’m sick of it.

[Kmcalpin]

A huge win for us yesterday as its all very well to play entertaining football but its points that count. So, it was job done. 

We started off well in the first 20 minutes or so with nice possession football, and had Livi penned back. However we were toothless up front and did nothing in their box. That combined with a resolute defence rendered Prior surplus to Livi's requirements. They grew into the game for the rest of the half without dominating possession and looked dangerous on the break, aided by our disorganised rearguard. O'Donnell suffered a torrid time on the right and Longelo looked out of sorts. Although they scored through a stupid penalty, in truth they could have been 2 or 3 goals up by half time. That said, Ward didn't have much to do. 

The second half started much the same as the first half ended although we did up our game slightly.  Again, Prior had nothing to do. Ward had a couple of good saves. As the subs were introduced, we started to improve and it was  good to see Slattery reappear.  A cast iron penalty evened things and in the last 20 we really began to open the game up. 2 exceedingly tight offside decisions went against us and goals chalked off on the say so of VAR. At the time I thought Just's first effort was way off but after looking at highlights it was toenail tight  - not what VAR should be checking.  Just got his rewards with a well taken move and finish. Game over. Ye cannae beat a late winner!

Did I feel sorry for Livi? Yes and no. On balance they probably deserved a draw but their cynical tactics make me think twice. They played a weak Nick Walsh like Aly Bain on a fiddle. Within the first 4 minutes they committed 3 fouls.  It was easy to see why they have amassed the highest crime count in the league. 

Still, we won without any help from VAR. Whilst we are battling VAR, Falkirk have lucked out for the second week in succession. Swings and roundabouts hopefully.      

[Stuwell2]

4 hours ago, wellfan said:

We’re being sold a sham in Scotland that would never fly in the English top flight, yet we just sit and accept it every week. Budget VAR tech……

It might be my imagination but do Celtic & Rangers not have a different type of VAR which they had to install to enable them to play in the champion league?

[grizzlyg]

43 minutes ago, Stuwell2 said:

It might be my imagination but do Celtic & Rangers not have a different type of VAR which they had to install to enable them to play in the champion league?

They certainly have different rules as McLean thought Said's was foul last week but happily let's mcgregor shove devlin on the chest and no yellow card 

[mio]

1 hour ago, grizzlyg said:

They certainly have different rules as McLean thought Said's was foul last week but happily let's mcgregor shove devlin on the chest and no yellow card 

The refs here are scared to book McGregor. The guy should be in the book every week, horrible wee cowardly cheat.

im watching this Hearts Celtic game and i find it annoying how we didn’t beat both of these bang average teams.

For us to have been given Welsh and Celtic to play a scared looking 22yr old with 1 first team appearance is incredible. Welsh is miles better than what they have on view.

[grizzlyg]

9 minutes ago, mio said:

The refs here are scared to book McGregor. The guy should be in the book every week, horrible wee cowardly cheat.

im watching this Hearts Celtic game and i find it annoying how we didn’t beat both of these bang average teams.

For us to have been given Welsh and Celtic to play a scared looking 22yr old with 1 first team appearance is incredible. Welsh is miles better than what they have on view.

I wouldn't say Hearts are average,  looking very strong and braga and greek winger excellent.   Yup for us to have Welsh just makes it even more sweeter

[mio]

4 minutes ago, grizzlyg said:

I wouldn't say Hearts are average,  looking very strong and braga and greek winger excellent.   Yup for us to have Welsh just makes it even more sweeter

I can’t stand Hearts but I am delighted for them as I just want someone to challenge and topple Celtic.

I don’t think they are particularly great or great on the eye but one thing they are is robust. Every one of their players is solid and they are not a team who look like they’ll keel over. Every one of our players looks like they are one game away from a long term injury but Hearts are a different animal…. Really solid group.

[robsterwood]

20 minutes ago, mio said:

I can’t stand Hearts but I am delighted for them as I just want someone to challenge and topple Celtic.

I don’t think they are particularly great or great on the eye but one thing they are is robust. Every one of their players is solid and they are not a team who look like they’ll keel over. Every one of our players looks like they are one game away from a long term injury but Hearts are a different animal…. Really solid group.

I don't care who wins the league. Just concerned with Mwell. There's no way if telling how close a player is to potentially getting injured unless you know medical/ fitness details . It's a ridiculous comment to suggest Hearts are any fitter than other sides. I'm sure thier form will change at some point 

[mio]

1 minute ago, robsterwood said:

I don't care who wins the league. Just concerned with Mwell. There's no way if telling how close a player is to potentially getting injured unless you know medical/ fitness details . It's a ridiculous comment to suggest Hearts are any fitter than other sides. I'm sure thier form will change at some point 

Robust isn’t the same meaning as fitter? I never said fitter. 

[robsterwood]

10 minutes ago, mio said:

Robust isn’t the same meaning as fitter? I never said fitter. 

They are no more robust than any other side.

[joewarkfanclub]

I think the issue with Welsh is that he is no longer a young player and unlikely to develop into a player that will be dependable for them in Europe, or sold on for a fee.

That being the case, they need to clear some space for the next project.

Welsh has been impressive for us since he arrived and is clearly better than anything else we had, whether there will be a queue of bigger clubs lining up for him when his Celtic contract expires, Im not so sure.

Id be more than happy for us to get him on a contract though.

[santheman]

4 hours ago, wellfan said:

I’ll still be going because I’m a longstanding season ticket holder, but I think I’ll genuinely hesitate before renewing next season. VAR and the clowns running it have ripped every bit of spontaneity and enjoyment out of going to the football. It’s supposed to be entertainment, and instead we’re standing about waiting on decisions nobody in the ground can understand. We’re being taken for absolute mugs, and I’m sick of it.

I'm with you on that.

VAR has sucked all the joy out of watching it for me.

Find myself enjoying watching local teams in the WOSL more and more.

[yosemite sam]

I'm afraid you can't have it both ways. If there had been no VAR, we wouldn't have got what was stonewall penalty, because the referee didn't give it.