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1 hour ago, El Grew said:

I used to have a season ticket in the centre stand section above the dugouts and you wouldn’t believe some of the abuse that comes from there so if his family have attended games recently it’s quite likely they’ll have heard some of this.

Ha , you’re having a laff iv sat there for over 30 years and you would need to poke most of the residents with a big stick to wake them up , never mind them dishing out personal abuse to the dug out. 

Most games we have just been resigned to the fact we are shite and heads down walked out. He must be referring to online stuff.

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I sit near the directors' box in the main stand and have never heard anything like sustained  abuse directed at  SK apart from a few random expressions of frustration at times. The difference seems to have been that on Saturday a)  he was in the stand, possibly near  some disgruntled  'Well fans and not on the touchline and b) this was after he had criticised the fans for their reaction to a very poor cup performance against St Johnstone.

No one knows the level of  abuse he was reacting to recently  but my impression is that his criticism of fans for basically not knowing what they were talking about after they had travelled north in large numbers (and after a dangerous storm) pissed off a lot of the most loyal fan base. That looks like the turning point in this relationship.

I think he worked very hard but simply ran out of ideas and the injury crisis gradually wore him down. Slagging off supporters is a high-risk reaction to (in my opinion)  justified criticism ten days ago which rarely ends well. I don't think for a moment this compares to the  levels of criticism that managers at Rangers, Aberdeen or Spurs are experiencing at the moment, though.

In the words of the old ditty, balls of brass and a corrugated arse are necessary in the difficult job of being  a football manager and I doubt most applicants for the job are under any illusions as to the possible  adverse fan reaction when things start to go wrong.

I'm sure that Mr K  will gain employment on the media circuit very soon  until a suitable  post comes around. I wish him well because he worked whole-heartedly here  and I hope he has learned a few managerial  lessons in his time at  Fir Park.

It will be interesting to see the reaction of our  players in the Celtic game and the team selection of whoever is in charge.

The king is dead. Long live the king.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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For me the personal abuse thing is all smoke and mirrors, he probably got slagged just as much last year on the winless run.

For me he was losing the dressing room, and reality dawned on him that he was not going to turn our form around so he jumped before he was pushed, throw some personal abuse allegations out there and his reputation is intact.  

The Celtic game will be very interesting to see how the team responds, the performance there will tell us all we need to know.

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The more I think about this, the more annoyed I'm getting at SK and him citing abuse from the stands as his reason for rapping it...I'm glad he has mind, but it looks to me that he's hiding behind that excuse (there is no way, that the abuse was that excessive that it's forced a pure dead fitba man into chucking it) because he knew the writing was on the wall after recent performances from the team on the park, the recent spate of run-ins he's had with officialdom and his incredibly stupid interview where he couldn't have been more condescending to the people who pay his wages if he'd tried.

I didn't have a huge opinion on SK before today, either positive or negative but he's gone way down in my estimation now.

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11 minutes ago, Yorkyred said:

Beg SR to come back.

Maybe we could get all the people that shouted to get him out to hold a demo outside the club shop to get him back.

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1 minute ago, AllyMax said:

Maybe we could get all the people that shouted to get him out to hold a demo outside the club shop to get him back.

To he fair, SK resigning must have saved them a fortune on bedsheets and duct tape, so why not.

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Kettlewell was what we needed 2 years ago. He dug us out a hole then, and he can certainly take credit for good things in those 2 years. Unfortunatley, we've never really kicked on from his first half season, and his footballing philosophy for the club is no longer working. 

Good luck for the future Stuart.

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24 minutes ago, 0Neils40yarder said:

The more I think about this, the more annoyed I'm getting at SK and him citing abuse from the stands as his reason for rapping it...I'm glad he has mind, but it looks to me that he's hiding behind that excuse (there is no way, that the abuse was that excessive that it's forced a pure dead fitba man into chucking it) because he knew the writing was on the wall after recent performances from the team on the park, the recent spate of run-ins he's had with officialdom and his incredibly stupid interview where he couldn't have been more condescending to the people who pay his wages if he'd tried.

I didn't have a huge opinion on SK before today, either positive or negative but he's gone way down in my estimation now.

I agree pal,  this is where I am not comfortable with it.  He has basically thrown whole fanbase under a bus and trying to tarnish our reputation. 

Now yes, there are wallopers in our support ( same as everyone else) bit it smacks of " I got £1.6 for bair and £700k for KVV and that's thanks I get"

Basically Stuart even your players are fed up of your tactics and have clearly downed tools ( which I also think is shocking.

Don't worry, your media pals will keep you in employment 

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Whether we like it or not, what we've seen today is perhaps the most tactically astute move by Kettlewell since he joined Motherwell.

In all seriousness though, he has done the right thing for his future career here. The tipping point had been reached. 

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15 minutes ago, wellfan said:

Whether we like it or not, what we've seen today is perhaps the most tactically astute move by Kettlewell since he joined Motherwell. 

He's going to try the exact same thing at his next 5 clubs now.

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7 minutes ago, wellgirl said:

I agree. But the bigger issue for me is whoever leaked that him and Casey had the bust up - the writing was clearly on the wall after that 

Bust ups in the dressing room that become common knowledge rarely end well for the manager in charge.

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The rumour I heard was Casey has signed a pre contract with Hearts? Not sure if this is old news or not?

SK has gone now though and unfortunately the support have been painted in a bad light even though 80% of us were supportive of him. I’d have expected him to stay until summer like a few posters have mentioned.

Anyway, we move on quickly and god knows who we’ll get and I’m sure there will be some stinking names flung about.

 

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Was he getting abuse? Probably

Is that appropriate if we get down to brass tacks for a workplace in 2025? Of course not

Is it part and parcel of the job and happens to any football manager at any club on a horrific run throwing up horrific performances week on week? Of course and thats not going to change.

Now we dont know the level of it, hopefully it was just plenty 'get tae fucks' and nothing more sinister. What has been clear for sometime is that he is really feeling the pressure. He has run out of answers on the pitch and its come to a head. Im guessing if he was in a better space the abuse would wash over him.

At the end of the day, the product on the pitch has been poor and the bit thats done it for him is that it & results have been getting worse the last couple of months. Yes he has been hamstrung by injuries but his selections and tactics have done him no favours. I and plenty others wantef him to do well but it just became impossible to keep supporting him. Thanks for the efforts Stuart, best of luck in the future but it was probably best for all concerned to part ways.

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My seat is in the Cooper and I have not witnessed any personal abuse towards Stuart Kettlewell. I very rarely go to away games though and wasn't at either Perth game so can't comment on them. 

Frustration at results, performances and the quality on the park is understandable but there are limits. I don't know exactly the type of thing SK is talking about but he has felt it was a factor so I will take that at face value, not knowing the guy any more than most. Just going on TV, radio and club media.

He did appear to me to be someone who had a genuine feeling for the club, worked extremely hard and did his best. I thought he would have deserved the chance to turn things round again. Having said that, sometimes though, it just stops working like Robinson and McCall before him. Academic now decision made himself.

Some things have conspired against us like horrendous luck or whatever with injuries and a few decisions. Fans of other clubs would probably have the exact same gripes.

Just hope we can stabilise until the summer and look at things then.

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3 hours ago, weeyin said:

Doesn't say it wasn't aimed at his family too. Family members can have "personal abuse" aimed at them too.

(I have no idea if that's true, btw).

Sitting very close to his family at FP I’ve never heard anything aimed at them. 

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8 minutes ago, Welly Machine said:

My seat is in the Cooper and I have not witnessed any personal abuse towards Stuart Kettlewell. I very rarely go to away games though and wasn't at either Perth game so can't comment on them. 

Frustration at results, performances and the quality on the park is understandable but there are limits. I don't know exactly the type of thing SK is talking about but he has felt it was a factor so I will take that at face value, not knowing the guy any more than most. Just going on TV, radio and club media.

He did appear to me to be someone who had a genuine feeling for the club, worked extremely hard and did his best. I thought he would have deserved the chance to turn things round again. Having said that, sometimes though, it just stops working like Robinson and McCall before him. Academic now decision made himself.

Some things have conspired against us like horrendous luck or whatever with injuries and a few decisions. Fans of other clubs would probably have the exact same gripes.

Just hope we can stabilise until the summer and look at things then.

If he had genuine feelings for the club he could have worded his reasons for leaving better, basically trying to tarnish name of whole club.    I have no time for the wallopers who were giving him verbal abuse but you know what Stuart,  the bulk of us are good folk and are allowed to give constructive criticism.    Bit like yourself last week

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6 minutes ago, wellgirl said:

Apparently wasn't at FP - was at both the St Johnstone games 

Find that strange as I’m sure 99% of the fans wouldn’t have known who his family was. Although I have no way of knowing if that’s true or not. 
As you’ve heard about this, can you confirm if was aimed at his family or did they hear the abuse aimed at him?

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