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3 hours ago, Kmcalpin said:

Just a rumour of course, but I hope there's no substance to it. Lauded as a real coup when he chose St Johnstone instead of us but he flopped in Perth. At the time Saints fans said he was too small and lightweight for the league - Tierney Mkii?

Agree, similarities with Tierney . Seen him when we played Alloa in the cup and think physicality of our defenders was too much and also struggled with pace of the game. 

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11 minutes ago, steelboy said:

I agree with that but all those players are 30 or older by the time the new season starts. 

According to 10 years of Premier League data, the prime age for a midfielder is 25-26, then there is a drop-off after 30.

Davor, Slattery, and Paton are all at their peak with a few good years left, Spittal is at his peak, Miller is just getting started, and Halliday, Easton and Scougall have peaked. Do we need that many midfielders in their early 30s? No. At best, one or two would be worthwhile and experienced additions to the squad. 

I'm all for signing local players, but let's not become a convalescent home for the older ones.

https://theathletic.com/2935360/2021/11/15/what-age-do-players-in-different-positions-peak/

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1 minute ago, grizzlyg said:

Seriously? Would be incredible but I would imagine wages would be an issue 

No really. I just made up a more inspiring rumour to cheer Steelboy up. I mean, surely the Scougall one's pish too - a  guy approaching 32 who's spent the last 4 years at Alloa. The only possible way that would make any sense would be if we get relegated.

Are these names coming from any reliable source, or just some randoms online?

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29 minutes ago, weeyin said:

The only thing more eye-stabblingly painful than the annual "writing off new players we have signed" ritual is the annual "writing off players we haven't signed" ritual. 

Take your point, but if it turns out we're signing 30+ year olds from Scottish League One in the summer, you can probably write next season off.

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32 minutes ago, bobbybingo said:

Take your point, but if it turns out we're signing 30+ year olds from Scottish League One in the summer, you can probably write next season off.

You're proving my point. 

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3 hours ago, wellfan said:

According to 10 years of Premier League data, the prime age for a midfielder is 25-26, then there is a drop-off after 30.

Davor, Slattery, and Paton are all at their peak with a few good years left, Spittal is at his peak, Miller is just getting started, and Halliday, Easton and Scougall have peaked. Do we need that many midfielders in their early 30s? No. At best, one or two would be worthwhile and experienced additions to the squad. 

I'm all for signing local players, but let's not become a convalescent home for the older ones.

https://theathletic.com/2935360/2021/11/15/what-age-do-players-in-different-positions-peak/

It's all just rumours anyway but I'd rather have a good older player than a so so younger one ...looks like Slattery will be off...I might be in minority but Davor still has a bit to go for me...maybe a full pre season will help

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3 minutes ago, Great Balls of Shire said:

It's all just rumours anyway but I'd rather have a good older player than a so so younger one ...looks like Slattery will be off...I might be in minority but Davor still has a bit to go for me...maybe a full pre season will help

Where did you see that about Slattery?

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9 minutes ago, Great Balls of Shire said:

It's all just rumours anyway but I'd rather have a good older player than a so so younger one ...looks like Slattery will be off...I might be in minority but Davor still has a bit to go for me...maybe a full pre season will help

Davor has time on his side to allow him to develop into a good SPL defensive midfielder. 

Slattery is probably looking for a fresh start post-injury, which is understandable. 

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1 hour ago, texanwellfan said:

Where did you see that about Slattery?

Well his contract is up, so I guess that's part of it.

A lot will depend on his recovery time post surgery; I could see us offering him another year with a (preferably club controlled) further option to extend.

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I have no idea whatsoever about SK's contract negotiations with Liam Kelly, nor should I. However if we are keen to retain his services then it has to be framed as part of a far wider package. To me that isn't worth it, as he's not that crucial to our defensive capabilities.

If we are to retain him, we'll need a formation and wing backs capable of preventing crosses into the box.. We'll also need to sign two huge and commanding central defenders to protect him from aerial threats. Thats an awful lot to ask in order to keep your goalie.

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1 hour ago, Kmcalpin said:

I have no idea whatsoever about SK's contract negotiations with Liam Kelly, nor should I. However if we are keen to retain his services then it has to be framed as part of a far wider package. To me that isn't worth it, as he's not that crucial to our defensive capabilities.

If we are to retain him, we'll need a formation and wing backs capable of preventing crosses into the box.. We'll also need to sign two huge and commanding central defenders to protect him from aerial threats. Thats an awful lot to ask in order to keep your goalie.

Completely agree Dave. Kelly is a good shot stopper but the other parts of his game are limited, especially commanding his box and dealing with crosses. 

I'm sure we could recruit an equally talented shot stopper who is a better all round keeper than Kelly on the same or even less money.

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Our recent record of replacing and improving on first team main stays isn’t great .

to expect we can simply replace Kelly ( a national squad member) with someone both cheaper and better has an element of hope rather than certainty .

irrespective of who is in goals we need to ensure we have 2 goad wingbacks and 2 good centre halves as a minimum . Thats not to protect Kelly per se - that’s needed for the formation and style of football 

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1 hour ago, wellsince75 said:

Our recent record of replacing and improving on first team main stays isn’t great .

to expect we can simply replace Kelly ( a national squad member) with someone both cheaper and better has an element of hope rather than certainty .

irrespective of who is in goals we need to ensure we have 2 goad wingbacks and 2 good centre halves as a minimum . Thats not to protect Kelly per se - that’s needed for the formation and style of football 

Very true. Don't know if anyone remembers John Gardiner or Stevie Woods? Still have the fear thinking about them in goal.

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