wellfan Posted May 30, 2024 Report Share Posted May 30, 2024 2 minutes ago, grizzlyg said: Very true but I want their wages to go on new players, not another coach Given the musical chairs over recent years, I think we've been short of a first-team coach, hence the academy and reserve coaches hanging about in the dugout for first-team games. If so, Obika has filled an empty post and not taken a wage away from a potential signing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grizzlyg Posted May 30, 2024 Report Share Posted May 30, 2024 1 minute ago, wellfan said: Given the musical chairs over recent years, I think we've been short of a first-team coach, hence the academy and reserve coaches hanging about in the dugout for first-team games. If so, Obika has filled an empty post and not taken a wage away from a potential signing. I have lost track of who is coaching who these days, maybe not a lot but feels like we have more coaches than Parks Of Hamilton ......cue........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FirParkCornerExile Posted May 30, 2024 Report Share Posted May 30, 2024 8 minutes ago, wellgirl said: But as I said we had already budgeted for Obika being here for another year. I don't see any issues with it. He had a contract extension that isn't being triggered I cant believe you cant see this. If we had budgeted for Obika for another year that a wage is from the playing budget. If we then decide to pay him as a coach we still have the same outgoings if no one has left the coaching staff. We have merely reduced the playing budget and increased the coaching budget. We could have called it quits not taken the one year option and we could have let him go and kept his wage in the playing budget. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbybingo Posted May 30, 2024 Report Share Posted May 30, 2024 4 minutes ago, grizzlyg said: We had budgeted for another year as a player if we had taken up 1 year extension. However he has retired so a possible wage on a player has went on another coach. That's not a dig at Obika, and if he turns out to be a good coach then great. I just feel we are not prioritising the key areas If he had the option, would he have chucked it and just walked away? Maybe his retirement came as a result of being offered the coaching position and there was never going to be a wage freed up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbybingo Posted May 30, 2024 Report Share Posted May 30, 2024 1 minute ago, FirParkCornerExile said: I cant believe you cant see this. If we had budgeted for Obika for another year that a wage is from the playing budget. If we then decide to pay him as a coach we still have the same outgoings if no one has left the coaching staff. We have merely reduced the playing budget and increased the coaching budget. We could have called it quits not taken the one year option and we could have let him go and kept his wage in the playing budget. The option was definitely ours, not his? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FirParkCornerExile Posted May 30, 2024 Report Share Posted May 30, 2024 1 minute ago, bobbybingo said: If he had the option, would he have chucked it and just walked away? Maybe his retirement came as a result of being offered the coaching position and there was never going to be a wage freed up. options are a two way agreement. Just because there was an option it doesnt the player has the final decision its a two way agreement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FirParkCornerExile Posted May 30, 2024 Report Share Posted May 30, 2024 Just now, bobbybingo said: The option was definitely ours, not his? Just now, wellgirl said: See wellfans post. Apparently we were short of coaching staff. My very point from the start. if the coaching budget had seen a reduction i dont have an issue. I would if the coaching budget was being increased to create a position for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbybingo Posted May 30, 2024 Report Share Posted May 30, 2024 1 minute ago, FirParkCornerExile said: options are a two way agreement. Just because there was an option it doesnt the player has the final decision its a two way agreement. You'd have to explain why a player would sign a deal with the option of an extension if the club could simply tell them to bugger off, because that sounds like a completely worthless contract to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grizzlyg Posted May 30, 2024 Report Share Posted May 30, 2024 9 minutes ago, wellgirl said: Just take one for the team and admit you agree with wellfan 😉 I am not convinced about the appointment but we shall see. I am happy to be proved wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FirParkCornerExile Posted May 30, 2024 Report Share Posted May 30, 2024 10 minutes ago, bobbybingo said: You'd have to explain why a player would sign a deal with the option of an extension if the club could simply tell them to bugger off, because that sounds like a completely worthless contract to me. 7 minutes ago, wellgirl said: There is that too. Kettlewell did say in his comments today that his playing contract wasn't going to be extended beyond this year which I took to mean the end of next season. I don't propose to write copious amounts about it here but there is plenty online about contact extensions and timelines and trigger points. The club certainly does have the ability to opt out of the extension however there are certain triggers and timelines they must adhere to after which the contact extends and the club wouldnt have such scope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dennyc Posted May 30, 2024 Report Share Posted May 30, 2024 16 minutes ago, bobbybingo said: If he had the option, would he have chucked it and just walked away? Maybe his retirement came as a result of being offered the coaching position and there was never going to be a wage freed up. Are we locking ourselves into contracts with extension options that take no account of fitness/ability to continue playing when the option kicks in? No legal get out clause in other words. When a player is signed it is routine practice for him to undertake a medical. David Turnbull being a classic example. Would it not be prudent to have such a medical requirement linked into any extension option? And if that medical is failed, then the option falls. It is a shame for Obika and I wish him no harm, but we are not a registered charity and need to stop acting like one. He was lucky to be with us as a player given his medical history. And is he a qualified coach in any event? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbybingo Posted May 30, 2024 Report Share Posted May 30, 2024 14 minutes ago, dennyc said: Are we locking ourselves into contracts with extension options that take no account of fitness/ability to continue playing when the option kicks in? No legal get out clause in other words. When a player is signed it is routine practice for him to undertake a medical. David Turnbull being a classic example. Would it not be prudent to have such a medical requirement linked into any extension option? And if that medical is failed, then the option falls. It is a shame for Obika and I wish him no harm, but we are not a registered charity and need to stop acting like one. He was lucky to be with us as a player given his medical history. And is he a qualified coach in any event? To be honest, I hadn't read Kettlewell's comments until a few minutes ago. Obviously the club had the option to extend his deal as a player and were not going to do so. None of us have any clue whether Jon Obika will be a decent coach or not, but I can't believe Kettlewell would be paying him to just hang around contributing hee haw, so he must've seen something. Yeah, this is his first go at coaching, which probably means he'll be getting paid accordingly. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grizzlyg Posted May 30, 2024 Report Share Posted May 30, 2024 23 minutes ago, wellgirl said: To be fair. It's taking me all my time to finish my degree with a broken leg without losing sleep over where Jon Obikas wages come from. 😏 Tomorrow I might care a lot more. I might even renew my season ticket if I can hobble to fir park Congrats on the degree 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grizzlyg Posted May 30, 2024 Report Share Posted May 30, 2024 17 minutes ago, wellgirl said: Did we not stand by Turnbull when he had that injury and couldn't sign on for Celtic? What's the difference? Should Motherwell have just told Turnbull to get lost and not seen him through his recovery? And as soon as he did recover he signed for them. As was his choice Why would Kettlewell offering Obika a coaching job mean we are acting like a registered charity? Difference was Turnbull was 21 and a very sellable asset so was in our best interests to look after him. Was worth it as we got £3,000,000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dennyc Posted May 30, 2024 Report Share Posted May 30, 2024 24 minutes ago, wellgirl said: Did we not stand by Turnbull when he had that injury and couldn't sign on for Celtic? What's the difference? Why would Kettlewell offering Obika a coaching job mean we are acting like a registered charity? The situation with Turnbull was entirely different. He was not retiring through injury and agreement was reached with Celtic that, when fit, the transfer was still a possibility. And he was still under contract in any event. Financially it made sense. £3m of sense. As well as being the right thing to do for a boy who who joined us straight from Nursery and with a playing career ahead of him. None of that applies to Obika. As for acting like a charity, what is the rationale for awarding a coaching role to Obika? Is he qualified? Has he coaching experience? Has he given years of service to Motherwell? Did we need to fill the position given we were fourth top scorers last season? Or is he just a good guy that we decided to help out? There are plenty of other players that left us due to injury and they were not offered coaching jobs? Having said all that, let's hope he turns out to be the next Pep Guardiola. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbybingo Posted May 30, 2024 Report Share Posted May 30, 2024 Just now, wellgirl said: Kettlewell has always had very good things to say about Obika. If he sees him as an asset then I hope it works out for all parties. Yeah, he sees far more than we ever will, day in, day out. If the club had extended his contract as a player I'd have expected men in white coats to get their giant butterfly nets looked out, but if we needed a coach for the forwards and the management believe Obika can do the job, it's worth a punt. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dennyc Posted May 30, 2024 Report Share Posted May 30, 2024 Just now, wellgirl said: And they call Kettlewell an overthinker 😜 Lol. Nothing wrong with SK overthinking........as long as everybody on here agrees with him. I'll join Grizzlyg in saying well done for persisting with the Degree despite your Jon Obika like injury record. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Dog Posted May 30, 2024 Report Share Posted May 30, 2024 16 minutes ago, bobbybingo said: Yeah, he sees far more than we ever will, day in, day out. If the club had extended his contract as a player I'd have expected men in white coats to get their giant butterfly nets looked out, but if we needed a coach for the forwards and the management believe Obika can do the job, it's worth a punt. Perhaps Obika will replace Clarkson who will now be able to return to focusing solely on his Academy role? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelboy Posted May 31, 2024 Report Share Posted May 31, 2024 A player so shite we made him a coach is a new low. Kettlewell, Ricky Foster and Obika as coaches. Davie Martindale is staring to look like Carlo Ancelloti. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbybingo Posted May 31, 2024 Report Share Posted May 31, 2024 36 minutes ago, steelboy said: A player so shite we made him a coach is a new low. Kettlewell, Ricky Foster and Obika as coaches. Davie Martindale is staring to look like Carlo Ancelloti. Why is it a new low - is Obika a shite coach? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yabba's Turd Posted May 31, 2024 Report Share Posted May 31, 2024 33 minutes ago, bobbybingo said: Why is it a new low - is Obika a shite coach? Quite often it is the journeyman/unspectacular career players that make the best coaches, from Fergie to Madden to Belichick 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbybingo Posted May 31, 2024 Report Share Posted May 31, 2024 1 minute ago, Yabba's Turd said: Quite often it is the journeyman/unspectacular career players that make the best coaches, from Fergie to Madden to Belichick You'd think anybody interested in football would know that, but I suppose it's irrelevant if you're only interested in having a dig. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mccus28 Posted May 31, 2024 Report Share Posted May 31, 2024 Everybody calm down about the Obika thing................ If you also noted from the website, The Well are looking for a new physio so he is clearly there as a training aid for them, makes perfect sense...............😜 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santheman Posted May 31, 2024 Report Share Posted May 31, 2024 2 year deal for Nicholson. Happy with that.👍 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellup83 Posted May 31, 2024 Report Share Posted May 31, 2024 Nicholson signs on for two years. Happy with that as long as he's a squad player, non starter, off the bench in the last 10 only, etc etc etc.... 😁 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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