wellsince75 Posted January 16 Report Share Posted January 16 7 minutes ago, Kmcalpin said: Thats bad news, but in no way surprising. If there is a silver lining its that we have time in this window to bring in a replacement. Other things being equal, we should do. Sadly this is likely the end of McGinns career, he'll be 35 this year and understandably has picked up a few injuries in last few seasons. At this point of the season I'd be looking at young fit loanees from English Prem/Champs league - it's been mutually beneficial over recent seasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellfan Posted January 16 Report Share Posted January 16 With McGinn unfortunately now knackered, I imagine Kettlewell will see SOD as cover in the RCB role. However, with Koutroumbis either being shite or broken, another versatile right-sided defender is a must this window to get us to the end of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grizzlyg Posted January 16 Report Share Posted January 16 2 hours ago, pretzel said: McGinn is out for four months, I wonder if we will look to add defensively now. Massive blow. I hope injury wasn't caused by him being rushed back but I guess it's just been really bad luck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmcalpin Posted January 16 Report Share Posted January 16 Seemingly Tavares is also nursing a knock and the Ox is out for 3 months. Seddon out for 8 weeks. Stama also out for several more weeks. Reinforcements almost certainly required. Goalie, left back and central defender? It's the worst season for injuries I can ever recall for and thats going back over 60 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellfan Posted January 16 Report Share Posted January 16 This injury saga can't all be down to bad luck. Some of it has to be down to poor recruitment, poor medical decisions, poor management, and someone casting a hex over Fir Park. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spit_It_Out Posted January 16 Report Share Posted January 16 Hoofball 24/7 just get a target man or men punt it and hope for the best its going to be a shitfest for the rest of the season lets be honest its not going to be pretty. I really like McGinn but nothing we can do about it however i am more worried about Stams injury record since he has moved to the club more out than in. SOD needs to get his head in the game cause latley he has been horrible rank rotten and he is going to be captain for rest of the season. At this stage we need about 4-5 players because our squad is so injury prone dont know who is going to be fit but this could be blessing in disguise cause he might need to chnage it up a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellsince75 Posted January 16 Report Share Posted January 16 I agree it's not all bad luck re injuries - some are but not all. Players in their 30s as an example - it's more likely that the body will get stresses/strains. Players who have often had injuries - likely to continue. Given what we knew about players it was reasonable to expect SOD, McGinn, Blanley, Slattery, Halliday , Paton, Callaghan, Nicholson, Vale all to pick something up. That's 9 of our squad with previous issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellsince75 Posted January 16 Report Share Posted January 16 21 minutes ago, Spit_It_Out said: SOD needs to get his head in the game cause latley he has been horrible rank rotten and he is going to be captain for rest of the season. SOD comes across as really good guy but for me he's inconsistent. Defensively he switches off, lacks concentration and costs us goals. Several managers dropped him for long periods of time due to this. He was decent moving forward 2-3 years ago but this has become less a feature of his game. Ok as a squad player /sub but not a starter for me. Similar to likes of Mugabi & Lamie who do 90% right but pretty much every game switch off at the wrong time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grizzlyg Posted January 16 Report Share Posted January 16 35 minutes ago, wellsince75 said: SOD comes across as really good guy but for me he's inconsistent. Defensively he switches off, lacks concentration and costs us goals. Several managers dropped him for long periods of time due to this. He was decent moving forward 2-3 years ago but this has become less a feature of his game. Ok as a squad player /sub but not a starter for me. Similar to likes of Mugabi & Lamie who do 90% right but pretty much every game switch off at the wrong time. Yup, I like SOD and feel sorry as he does get a lot of stick, but does make terrible blunders ( jambos and Hibees). Need fans to rally round him as is a total confidence player Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmcalpin Posted January 16 Report Share Posted January 16 43 minutes ago, wellsince75 said: I agree it's not all bad luck re injuries - some are but not all. Players in their 30s as an example - it's more likely that the body will get stresses/strains. Players who have often had injuries - likely to continue. Given what we knew about players it was reasonable to expect SOD, McGinn, Blanley, Slattery, Halliday , Paton, Callaghan, Nicholson, Vale all to pick something up. That's 9 of our squad with previous issues. Agreed. Yes. we've had horrendous luck and few would take issue with that. However, quite a few of our signings have been in the high risk category due to their injury records. Moving forward, thats something that needs looked at by our recruitement team. We're probably already well down the road of our summer plans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spit_It_Out Posted January 16 Report Share Posted January 16 41 minutes ago, Kmcalpin said: Agreed. Yes. we've had horrendous luck and few would take issue with that. However, quite a few of our signings have been in the high risk category due to their injury records. Moving forward, thats something that needs looked at by our recruitement team. We're probably already well down the road of our summer plans. Prime example is Callachan should have never in a million years been given a contract those kinda signings just don't cut it asking for trouble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfc Posted January 16 Report Share Posted January 16 19 minutes ago, Spit_It_Out said: Prime example is Callachan should have never in a million years been given a contract those kinda signings just don't cut it asking for trouble. Aye bringing in callachan had disaster written all over it.i get players can get injured at anytime but we really have backed ourselves into a corner with some of our signings of late,we need to be avoiding players with dodgy injury records no matter how cheap and easy the deal is to get done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spit_It_Out Posted January 16 Report Share Posted January 16 Kettlewell said last season that he looks at players that might have had a flawed season with say Injuries or playing time and such well I hope he drops the injuries side of that cause this season is an eye opener on the injury front. Can't keep signing players in the hope they might be fit never mind actually get them on the park Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellsince75 Posted January 16 Report Share Posted January 16 Our strategy should be reasonably straight forward Balance of squad , defenders/midfield/attack. young homegrown talent - who would be better than we can afford and ideally sell them on. 24/25 year - who didn't make it with bigger club and need a chance. average Joe- established pros who we can afford. seasoned pros - who're past their best and stepping down to our level to help improve out youngsters loan signings - compliment your squad/short term gaps. It's about balance - these all need to be balanced out. Recent years we've lost basics of not enough mix of players for positions and for me too many risk players with injuries. eg more strikers now than midfielders ! Add to that there's several players who don't even seem to make it to testing them out - guys from NZ, Japan, Australia , Stupavic etc - complete lack of due diligence. Bottom line. I'm far from convinced we have a good recruitment team. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0Neils40yarder Posted January 16 Report Share Posted January 16 3 hours ago, grizzlyg said: Yup, I like SOD and feel sorry as he does get a lot of stick, but does make terrible blunders ( jambos and Hibees). Need fans to rally round him as is a total confidence player He's absolutely red rotten Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Throughthelaces Posted January 16 Report Share Posted January 16 4 hours ago, wellsince75 said: SOD comes across as really good guy but for me he's inconsistent. Defensively he switches off, lacks concentration and costs us goals. Several managers dropped him for long periods of time due to this. He was decent moving forward 2-3 years ago but this has become less a feature of his game. Ok as a squad player /sub but not a starter for me. Similar to likes of Mugabi & Lamie who do 90% right but pretty much every game switch off at the wrong time. Feel we watched a different Lamie if you think he did 90% right he was a bombscare 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grizzlyg Posted January 16 Report Share Posted January 16 48 minutes ago, 0Neils40yarder said: He's absolutely red rotten He hasn't been great recently, I just feel he gets a lot of stick. Casey makes a lot of mistakes also but seems to escape criticism a lot if the time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grizzlyg Posted January 16 Report Share Posted January 16 3 hours ago, Spit_It_Out said: Prime example is Callachan should have never in a million years been given a contract those kinda signings just don't cut it asking for trouble. But he's a nice guy round the training ground so guaranteed a coaching contract next season!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smiddy Posted January 16 Report Share Posted January 16 1 hour ago, grizzlyg said: But he's a nice guy round the training ground so guaranteed a coaching contract next season!! While your on the subject grizzly i think this is the longest period in his history big JON OBIKA has stayed fit 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 unless heez done his hammy putting his shorts on 🫣 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grizzlyg Posted January 16 Report Share Posted January 16 23 minutes ago, smiddy said: While your on the subject grizzly i think this is the longest period in his history big JON OBIKA has stayed fit 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 unless heez done his hammy putting his shorts on 🫣 Cue................ba boom Ps. I got him to sign an autograph with a pencil, he got a feckin skelf 🤣🤣 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toxteth O'Grady Posted January 16 Report Share Posted January 16 Dundee's McGhee agrees pre-contract to join Motherwell Image source,S Jordan McGhee has won promotion to the Scottish Premiership twice during his time at Dundee Nick McPheat BBC Sport Scotland Published 14 minutes ago Dundee's Jordan McGhee has agreed a pre-contract deal to join Motherwell this summer. The Fir Park side, who have a number of key players out injured, could explore bringing the versatile 28-year-old to the club this month. The former Hearts and Falkirk player, who is out of contract at the end of the season, has spent more than five years at Dens Park, making more than 180 appearances and winning top-flight promotion twice. McGhee, who can play in defence and midfield, is currently out with a hamstring issue but is expected to return soon, meaning a potential January arrival could ease Stuart Kettlewell's injury concerns. The Well manager confirmed on Thursday that captain Paul McGinn and left-back Steve Seddon are among several players facing spells out, which also includes influential midfielder Lennon Miller. Kettlewell, who has already brought in young midfielder Kai Andrews and goalkeeper Archie Mair on loan this window, says the club are "working endlessly" as they aim to "strengthen the group". "But I can't really put a timescale on that," he added prior to his side's Scottish Cup trip to St Johnstone on Saturday. "What I can finish off by saying is the club have been supportive". Dundee, who face city rivals Dundee United in their fourth-round tie on Monday, have strengthened their squad this month by acquiring defensive duo Aaron Donnelly and Ilmari Samuels, plus midfielder Cesar Garza. On further potential transfer business, Dens Park boss Tony Docherty says he is "hoping there might be movement on one other". https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/articles/c74mxge9n8xo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FirParkCornerExile Posted January 16 Report Share Posted January 16 8 minutes ago, Toxteth O'Grady said: Dundee's McGhee agrees pre-contract to join Motherwell Image source,S Jordan McGhee has won promotion to the Scottish Premiership twice during his time at Dundee Nick McPheat BBC Sport Scotland Published 14 minutes ago Dundee's Jordan McGhee has agreed a pre-contract deal to join Motherwell this summer. The Fir Park side, who have a number of key players out injured, could explore bringing the versatile 28-year-old to the club this month. The former Hearts and Falkirk player, who is out of contract at the end of the season, has spent more than five years at Dens Park, making more than 180 appearances and winning top-flight promotion twice. McGhee, who can play in defence and midfield, is currently out with a hamstring issue but is expected to return soon, meaning a potential January arrival could ease Stuart Kettlewell's injury concerns. The Well manager confirmed on Thursday that captain Paul McGinn and left-back Steve Seddon are among several players facing spells out, which also includes influential midfielder Lennon Miller. Kettlewell, who has already brought in young midfielder Kai Andrews and goalkeeper Archie Mair on loan this window, says the club are "working endlessly" as they aim to "strengthen the group". "But I can't really put a timescale on that," he added prior to his side's Scottish Cup trip to St Johnstone on Saturday. "What I can finish off by saying is the club have been supportive". Dundee, who face city rivals Dundee United in their fourth-round tie on Monday, have strengthened their squad this month by acquiring defensive duo Aaron Donnelly and Ilmari Samuels, plus midfielder Cesar Garza. On further potential transfer business, Dens Park boss Tony Docherty says he is "hoping there might be movement on one other". https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/articles/c74mxge9n8xo Another one for the Physio to work on , the Physio must love SK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderpig Posted January 16 Report Share Posted January 16 7 minutes ago, Toxteth O'Grady said: McGhee, who can play in defence and midfield, is currently out with a hamstring issue but is expected to return soon. We might not have consistency on the park, but we do in our signing policy, McGhee should fit in nicely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Posted January 16 Author Report Share Posted January 16 6 minutes ago, FirParkCornerExile said: Another one for the Physio to work on , the Physio must love SK I’ve never paid much attention to him before, but looking at his recent stats, am I overlooking something? He played 37 matches last season, 36 the season prior, and 41 the season before that. Is he typically seen as an injury risk? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewarkfanclub Posted January 16 Report Share Posted January 16 2 minutes ago, David said: I’ve never paid much attention to him before, but looking at his recent stats, am I overlooking something? He played 37 matches last season, 36 the season prior, and 41 the season before that. Is he typically seen as an injury risk? Why let that get in the way of a good story! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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