Motherwell v Hibernian 13/04/2024

[santheman]

52 minutes ago, robsterwood said:

Similar fan base similar finances. Killie we re showing more ambition. Although they didn't need van veen. They also got great manager 

Billy Bowie a director of Kilmarnock and his company who are one of Killies main sponsors personally funded Van Veens wages reputed to be 6k pw and their playing budget this season is considerably higher than ours so not a good comparison.

And yes they have a good manager who also doesn't come cheap.

[robsterwood]

41 minutes ago, wellgirl said:

He said that in context of a wider interview. Which you've taken one sentence from. And he looked completely gutted that we didn't get top six. You could see looking from that interview how upset he was that we didn't get top six. From the start of the interview 

See that mate. It's not over ambition to be top 6 though 

[star sail]

 Hibs supporter and Aberdeen supporters have every right to be pouring over the post mortem this evening. Two relatively massive clubs in our league who have underperformed yet again.

The stand out team for me has been St Mirren. Top six for the second year in a row. They have shown the difference a good manager makes. Robinson did it with us and now St Mirren. Mind-blowing to think that there was Motherwell fans that argued from the time Robinson arrived with us that he was not up to the standard of our league.

As for us, Kettlewell has met his target once again. To keep us in the division. The victory at Ibrox apart it has been a very mediocre season but there is still the possibility of finishing best of the rest for the second year in a row which from an objective perspective is about exactly where we do weigh in.

I would be lying if I said that I was not slightly underwhelmed by this season but I always remind myself that we remain one of only three teams to stay in the top division spanning over the last five decades. It is an extraordinary achievement and looks like continuing for at least one season more.

 

[bobbybingo]

1 hour ago, robsterwood said:

I don't want a manager that says top 6 is punching "well" above our league. We been top 6 loads over past 10 year. Is it such a massive ambition?

4 times in the last 10 seasons. Wouldn't be my definition of loads.

[johnstone]

Draw was a fair result.

Wind affected both teams.

Kelly was magnificent and I think today showed that we will miss him If he goes.

Nicholson deserves a start, felt he changed the game for us.

 

[Stuwell2]

I think that most on here would agree that if it was all down to finances then year in year out the top six would be Rangers, Celtic, Hearts, Hibs, Aberdeen and A.N.Other between us, STM, STJ and Killie (and DUTD when they get back up).
I don’t think us making top six is punching above our weight but at the moment outwith the old scum and Hearts it is down to manager/squad and a slice of luck which teams make it, unfortunately this season we fell short. 

[Ya Bezzer!]

Was talking to some Celtic supporters this week about Theo Bair and said he must be the biggest player in the league.

Well I wanted to know for sure....so I did the research.

Top Ten Units in the Scottish Premier League (height x weight, goalkeepers excluded).

1. Theo Bair (Motherwell)

2. Ricki Lamie (Dundee)

3. Cameron Carter-Vickers (Celtic)

4. Michael Nottingham (Livingston)

5. Leo Balogun (Rangers)

6. Dante Polvara (Aberdeen)

7. James Scott (St Mirren)

8. Stephen O'Donnell (Motherwell)

9. Charles Dunne (St Mirren)

10. Dan Casey (Motherwell)

 

[joewarkfanclub]

2 minutes ago, Ya Bezzer! said:

Was talking to some Celtic supporters this week about Theo Bair and said he must be the biggest player in the league.

Well I wanted to know for sure....so I did the research.

Top Ten Units in the Scottish Premier League (height x weight, goalkeepers excluded).

1. Theo Bair (Motherwell)

2. Ricki Lamie (Dundee)

3. Cameron Carter-Vickers (Celtic)

4. Michael Nottingham (Livingston)

5. Leo Balogun (Rangers)

6. Dante Polvara (Aberdeen)

7. James Scott (St Mirren)

8. Stephen O'Donnell (Motherwell)

9. Charles Dunne (St Mirren)

10. Dan Casey (Motherwell)

 

Surprised Bevis isnt on that list.....

[Kmcalpin]

51 minutes ago, star sail said:

 Hibs supporter and Aberdeen supporters have every right to be pouring over the post mortem this evening. Two relatively massive clubs in our league who have underperformed yet again.

As Sportsound kept telling us ad infinitum. Had I not been at the game I wouldn't have known who had spoiled Hibs' chances of top 6 spot.  Very inconsiderate of us not allowing them to win.

[joewarkfanclub]

The wind spoiled the game today.

Thought we started the brighter although Hibs grew into it and were the more dangerous team for 10 -15 minutes in the middle of the half.

Thought we might have got the advantage with the wind behind us but it didnt really seem to pan out that way.

Pretty scrappy second half and although Kelly made a couple of good saves, I didnt think there was much between the teams.

SK's substitutions continue to baffle me. I felt sure we were going to a back 4 when he took SOD off for Nicholson which would have been the obvious move, so to see Nicholson playing wing back seemed weird and didnt really play to his strengths

Taking off both Miller and Spittal and firing on 2 forward players when we already had Bair and Moses on the pitch seemed a bit mental, albeit we ultimately got the equaliser.

It felt that we got it in spite of the changes not because of them.

Mental to think we should have won it at the end with Shaws chance.

 

 

[Ya Bezzer!]

9 minutes ago, joewarkfanclub said:

Surprised Bevis isnt on that list.....

To be honest not too sure about some of the figures stated for players but that's how it works out.

We all know wee Dougie used to add a few inches on to his height!

[Kmcalpin]

8 hours ago, texanwellfan said:

At some point we will have to go for it. I think we looked like we wanted to make sure we didn’t over commit in attack and let hibs break. 

Very much so. I wouldn't have advocated a Charge of the Light Brigade approach, but oh dear we looked very reluctant to commit fully to attack until the very late cavalry charge. We seemed to lack self belief, we we dug deep and showed character to snatch a late levelller through a fantastic Blaney strike.

The wind certainly spoiled proceedings but I thought Hibs coped better. That said they were pretty toothless and had to rely on a very soft penalty (apologies BBC) to score.

Although the players put in a lacklustre error strewn perfomance, I thought our starting line uop was wrong. Bair was, all too often, left isolated with Vale completely wasted in a wide, deep role. Please, please him alongside Bair in the remaining fixtures.

Hibs began to exert prerssure after the break and you could feel we were going to concede. Maybe around the 55 minute mark was the time for change. I'd have hooked an out of form Spittal for Nicholson at that point. I didn't see the point the point in taking off Vale later on and bringing Shaw on. Nicholson for SOD??

Gent was my MOTM and it was a shame that all too often, no-one was there to get on the end of his crosses. Kelly too had a good game. Spittal is not performing at the moment and maybe its time now to bring in Nicholson, depending on what his position is with SK. Davor to me flatters to deceive. A busy player he isn't a great passer of the ball and is a bit lightweight, as we saw today against bigger and more aggressive opponents. 

Plenty of police activity and blue sirens post match with the odd sight of Police horses going through Brandon Parade. No doubt some after match action.

Again apologies to the BBC for spoiling Hibs' day.

[Kmcalpin]

1 hour ago, Ya Bezzer! said:

Was talking to some Celtic supporters this week about Theo Bair and said he must be the biggest player in the league.

Well I wanted to know for sure....so I did the research.

Top Ten Units in the Scottish Premier League (height x weight, goalkeepers excluded).

1. Theo Bair (Motherwell)

2. Ricki Lamie (Dundee)

3. Cameron Carter-Vickers (Celtic)

4. Michael Nottingham (Livingston)

5. Leo Balogun (Rangers)

6. Dante Polvara (Aberdeen)

7. James Scott (St Mirren)

8. Stephen O'Donnell (Motherwell)

9. Charles Dunne (St Mirren)

10. Dan Casey (Motherwell)

 

A very onerous assignment you set yourself. Well done. Theo will certainly be in the mix. Some surprises though.

Joel Nouble? Liam Gordon? Stuart Findlay? Tete Yengi? Alex Lacovitti? I suppose we could all nominate a few candidates.

[weeyin]

53 minutes ago, Ya Bezzer! said:

Was talking to some Celtic supporters this week about Theo Bair and said he must be the biggest player in the league.

Well I wanted to know for sure....so I did the research.

Top Ten Units in the Scottish Premier League (height x weight, goalkeepers excluded).

7. James Scott (St Mirren)

 

I remember Robinson saying James Scott didn't make good use of his size when he was with us, and still seems to be the case these days. It was only when I saw him standing beside guys like McHugh, Aldred and Hartley I could see he was a unit.

[steelboy]

5 hours ago, Ya Bezzer! said:

To be honest not too sure about some of the figures stated for players but that's how it works out.

We all know wee Dougie used to add a few inches on to his height!

Bevis is about 4 inches taller than Dan. Casey isn't quite 6 foot tall but he's a unit.

Bair isn't hugely tall either. 

The list seems wrong without Idah, Goldson and Ash Taylor. 

[SteelmaninOZ]

9 hours ago, grizzlyg said:

I am not blaming Shaw but his miss was poor and in all honesty hasn't been great for us.   We only deserved a draw today at best

Yes absolutely another  draw 

[Mad Dog]

2 hours ago, steelboy said:

The list seems wrong without Idah, Goldson and Ash Taylor. 

You mean the Ash Taylor that left last season? Same goes for whoever mentioned Iacovitti.

[steelboy]

42 minutes ago, Mad Dog said:

You mean the Ash Taylor that left last season? Same goes for whoever mentioned Iacovitti.

Fair enough. I thought he was still at Killie when he was talking up Wilkinson last summer. 

Big Rocky from yesterday is another unit that should be on the list. KVV as well. 

[Kmcalpin]

2 hours ago, Mad Dog said:

You mean the Ash Taylor that left last season? Same goes for whoever mentioned Iacovitti.

Yes, my mistake. Apologies if I misled anyone.

[ropy]

14 hours ago, FirParkCornerExile said:

Lennon Miller wont be with us next season, firstly we cant afford to let his contract run down to the end of 2025. Hes not going to sign another extension. I get the impression the one he did sign was similar to Turnbull to ensure we got some money for our investment. Id expect the club to cash in in the summer.

https://www.motherwellfc.co.uk/2023/11/15/lennon-miller-signs-one-year-extension/

[SteelmaninOZ]

What a SCREAMER! 
 

 

[Great Balls of Shire]

Apparently all the traffic , buses etc were at a standstill last night because of the bother in town. .how could anybody get worked up enough to fight after watching that poor excuse of a game... apologies for sounding like a daily mail reader ...just go home guys or to the pub, folk going about their business can't be arsed with it all

[robsterwood]

12 hours ago, bobbybingo said:

4 times in the last 10 seasons. Wouldn't be my definition of loads.

It's 6 out of last 12 seasons we been top 6 . That includes a 2nd place finish.

[bobbybingo]

34 minutes ago, robsterwood said:

It's 6 out of last 12 seasons we been top 6 . That includes a 2nd place finish.

You said the past 10 years, so that's the figure I quoted. 6 out of 12 is better - since the introduction of the split, it's something like 11 times out of 23 we've made it, so more or less a 50% success rate over the years. Prior to that, our league finishes would also be a very mixed bag.

It's perfectly reasonable to hope for top 6, to expect it is pushing things. If you based your expectations on our budget and attendances, we're definitely looking at bottom 6. 

[santheman]

I think when you take into consideration that Kettlewell was working with a much reduced playing budget and we were paying salaries to 2 managers (possibly 3 if you believe rumours) then to end the season relatively safe from relegation, looking like breaking even financially and seeing another academy product potentially earning us some good money and the prospect of some outside investment then I'm happy with that.

Things could have been a lot worse.