mio Posted August 16 Report Share Posted August 16 5 minutes ago, wellfan said: His parent club wasn’t a direct rival known as the rangers. My main gripe is that the central midfield is so important in this new set up and he’s going to miss games, it’s disruptive. And has he really been good when he’s played for Rangers? The support I know havnt been that impressed? He did quite well in a European game and he started a cup game against a lower league side and he was hooked at half time? i’m not convinced with youngsters from rangers anyway, I think they are cursed with a “I’ve made it already” attitude. Lowry went out on loan and was rotten, the boy Devine wasn’t great. I just don’t think they get good habits at rangers. Similar to youngsters at Celtic. Maybe that’s why they have such an appalling record at bringing in youths Anyway, I doubt it’ll happen!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dennyc Posted August 16 Report Share Posted August 16 1 hour ago, wellfan said: His parent club wasn’t a direct rival known as the rangers. Does it matter if it benefits us? Or does the fact it is one of the OF override everything? Because that is the way it reads on here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weeyin Posted August 16 Report Share Posted August 16 1 hour ago, dennyc said: Does it matter if it benefits us? Or does the fact it is one of the OF override everything? Because that is the way it reads on here. I'm not a fan of loans from any team in the same league unless we have a chance to sign them at the end of the deal. As much as anything it puts unnecessary pressure (and scrutiny) on the loanee, who is open to accusations of not trying (or worse, cheating) when a poor result for us would benefit their parent club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderpig Posted August 16 Report Share Posted August 16 1 hour ago, dennyc said: Does it matter if it benefits us? Or does the fact it is one of the OF override everything? Because that is the way it reads on here. Yes it matters, the ideal scenario is we take a player on loan develop and make him better, so we benefit and the parent club benefits as well, all win win so far. The problem is bringing in, a player from teams in your own league to develop and improve yes we benefit short term but if it has went to plan the player returns to the parent club a better player to one day turn up against us in the league or cup. Making the rival teams in your league stronger in whatever form that takes is never a good plan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellfan Posted August 16 Report Share Posted August 16 If we’re in for Bailey Rice, great, but only if it’s with the intention of signing him and not just loaning him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mio Posted August 16 Report Share Posted August 16 Did you see Bailey Rice at that Alloa goal? Pathetic…. if that’s an example of his work, no thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmcalpin Posted August 16 Report Share Posted August 16 8 hours ago, SteelmaninOZ said: Things could be worse look at what happened to the Hamilton Accies Academy We have these lads training with us We have taken on young lads from Hamilton's Academy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmcalpin Posted August 16 Report Share Posted August 16 9 hours ago, dennyc said: Except that currently we do not have one young player that is good enough to step up. Zander McAllister or Luca Ross? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dennyc Posted August 16 Report Share Posted August 16 1 hour ago, Kmcalpin said: Zander McAllister or Luca Ross? McAllister did well on his short run out today. Delighted for him. So hopeful. But to come in right away and impact games is asking a lot. Luca Ross. I'm not so sure. Given the time he has been around the first team squad and the experience gained whilst on loan I would have hoped he would be further ahead than he seems to be. In truth I was surprised we extended his contract. I actually thought he might move on after his loan spell was over. I know he is still only 18 but I think he is a wee bit lightweight. Connolly was another I thought might move on given he is a lot older and has not really featured as a first team player. Maybe there are less opportunities for goalies to impress. And we were discussing youngsters able to take the step up right now and impact games being sidelined by Loanees. I don't see any that are ready. Next season possibly after building up more game time and experience over the course of this season. But not now. But hey, I'm not a coach and I'm probably being a bit harsh. I wish them all well but I don't think any of the youngsters I have seen this season or last are first team ready. It's a tough, physical League. I felt differently when I first saw Miller and Turnbull although I accept that is a high bar. But , for me, even below that level the likes of Scott, Campbell and Hastie had more about them. I had high hopes for Sam Campbell but sadly his knee injury did for him. I really wish Scotland had something like an under 21 League which I believe was critical in the development of so many players over the years. And the matches were a good watch. I feel for kids who reach the age of 17/18 and often have nowhere to go if they cannot step up to the first team squad. Only very few can be loaned out. Late developers have little chance and many youngsters just disappear from the game. It's a harsh world. Cancelling the Reserve League also badly affected youngsters looking to make their way in the game. At least we have the Challenge Cup I guess but games are limited. Ross, McAllister etc playing in a reserve league with a mix of seasoned pros and other youngsters would better prepare them for the step up. But finances dictate as always. Only my view of course. Many will disagree and hopefully I am proved totally wrong. I'd be delighted if that proves to be the case and Luca Ross and Zander McAllister turn out to be the next Turnbull and Miller. You can say ' I told you so' if that happens. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mio Posted August 16 Report Share Posted August 16 3 players from our academy on at the final whistle today and another excellent talent with Forrest on the bench. I think this is all very positive Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewarkfanclub Posted August 16 Report Share Posted August 16 Bailey Rice injured today. Also cup tied. Hopefully puts that one to bed.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteelmaninOZ Posted August 16 Report Share Posted August 16 2 hours ago, Kmcalpin said: We have taken on young lads from Hamilton's Academy? No, just training with us helping them stay fit..As they have no coaches and no access to training facilities Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmcalpin Posted August 16 Report Share Posted August 16 Rumours of Callum Hendry incoming. May just be a load of hot air though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuwell2 Posted August 17 Report Share Posted August 17 3 hours ago, SteelmaninOZ said: No, just training with us helping them stay fit..As they have no coaches and no access to training facilities Heard in the pub tonight that Scott Leitch was appointed head of their academy about a month ago, started staff to get it going only for the owner to change his mind and shut it down this week, not sure how much of that is true but the Accies fan was totally pissed off with the club and said he won’t be back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santheman Posted August 17 Report Share Posted August 17 7 hours ago, Stuwell2 said: Heard in the pub tonight that Scott Leitch was appointed head of their academy about a month ago, started staff to get it going only for the owner to change his mind and shut it down this week, not sure how much of that is true but the Accies fan was totally pissed off with the club and said he won’t be back. All true. The boycott is hitting them where it hurts in the pocket. 362 at their first game v Montrose when it was 1400 at the corresponding game the previous season. My uncle a season ticket holder of over 40 years isn't going back until the charlatan who owns the club is gone. It's a bit of a mess and good to see we're helping out their young players( and tapping up their better ones hopefully) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onthefringes Posted August 17 Report Share Posted August 17 Foundations built on sand which were laid under both previous ownerships too come crumbling down. Losing their ‘elite’ academy status (which many like the Dundee clubs believed to be ill gotten) meant major loss of funding stream to operate. Don’t think the club envisaged that action. They’re not the first club in recent years to close or pause their academies. Queens Park who are every bit as renowned as Accies ceased their operation this year. Sign of the times? Unfair on ‘charlatan’ owner who’s no doubt made mistakes in those he’s employed to oversee operations when the known rogue who owns the ground gets a relatively free ride from those boycotting. Little sympathy for a support who hate us more than they love their own club. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santheman Posted August 17 Report Share Posted August 17 1 hour ago, Onthefringes said: Foundations built on sand which were laid under both previous ownerships too come crumbling down. Losing their ‘elite’ academy status (which many like the Dundee clubs believed to be ill gotten) meant major loss of funding stream to operate. Don’t think the club envisaged that action. They’re not the first club in recent years to close or pause their academies. Queens Park who are every bit as renowned as Accies ceased their operation this year. Sign of the times? Unfair on ‘charlatan’ owner who’s no doubt made mistakes in those he’s employed to oversee operations when the known rogue who owns the ground gets a relatively free ride from those boycotting. Little sympathy for a support who hate us more than they love their own club. A really interesting piece on YouTube about it by a guy called Callum Blyth if you're interested. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weeyin Posted August 17 Report Share Posted August 17 You think Forest would send us Chris Wood on loan to keep Osong company? One half played and he's already on 2 goals for the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmcalpin Posted August 18 Report Share Posted August 18 The window "slams" shut a fortnight today and I suspect we'll see some business done by then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weeyin Posted August 18 Report Share Posted August 18 2 hours ago, Kmcalpin said: The window "slams" shut a fortnight today and I suspect we'll see some business done by then. After JBA dips into his war chest. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spit_It_Out Posted August 18 Report Share Posted August 18 5 hours ago, Kmcalpin said: The window "slams" shut a fortnight today and I suspect we'll see some business done by then. I shall be pretty alarmed if we dont do a fair bit of business but the key is for me we need starters not just bench players. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mio Posted August 18 Report Share Posted August 18 Well we’ve signed someone but I can’t make out who it is with the Twitter page. I wished they’d just fkn tell us!! I find that signing in darkness annoying 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bart Verheul Posted August 18 Report Share Posted August 18 Just now, mio said: Well we’ve signed someone but I can’t make out who it is with the Twitter page. I wished they’d just fkn tell us!! I find that signing in darkness annoying Looks like Callum Hendry to me 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mio Posted August 18 Report Share Posted August 18 That’s be a really good addition. Let’s hope it is or another striker. Just get on with it Motherwell and tell us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfc Posted August 18 Report Share Posted August 18 3 minutes ago, Bart Verheul said: Looks like Callum Hendry to me Aye that does look like it's hendry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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