wunderwell Posted 3 hours ago Report Share Posted 3 hours ago 1 minute ago, thewelllfan said: Sun saying we're close to signing Welsh on loan from Celtic. Heard it's done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuwell2 Posted 3 hours ago Report Share Posted 3 hours ago Heard that last night but was hoping for a permanent central defender signing rather than a loan but any improvement is better than none I suppose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewelllfan Posted 3 hours ago Report Share Posted 3 hours ago You'd think with him being at Celtic as long as he has been he'll be better on the ball than Gordon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mio Posted 3 hours ago Report Share Posted 3 hours ago If it was an improvement fair enough but I’m not at all convinced by Stephen Welsh. He’s a player I was always happy to see playing against us. Celtic have been trying to punt him for years and their penny pinching prevented that from happening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Made Posted 3 hours ago Report Share Posted 3 hours ago I'll be disappointed with Welsh if correct. I hate loaning from any team in the division. It's not as if we're needing because of last minute injuries. We have been crying out to sort the defence out since at least January. We have brought in one player who can play there and he's been crocked from Day 1. We should've been looking out with before now. We can't rely on Ward and if he is to be persisted with he needs better cover. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robsterwood Posted 3 hours ago Report Share Posted 3 hours ago Would be happy to take him as he's played a significant amount of games for Celtic and had done m honours. Has hight and physical stature too which is needed at back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfc Posted 3 hours ago Report Share Posted 3 hours ago I'm not a big fan of loaning players from the same league but welsh almost certainly doesn't have a future at celtic so he might be one that we could get permanently down the line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuwell2 Posted 3 hours ago Report Share Posted 3 hours ago 6 minutes ago, mio said: If it was an improvement fair enough but I’m not at all convinced by Stephen Welsh. He’s a player I was always happy to see playing against us. Celtic have been trying to punt him for years and their penny pinching prevented that from happening. They must see something in him. Although he’s been on loan they must still be paying some of his wages so if he’s that bad with no chance of a return they would have punted him for next to nothing unless his wage is so high he’s decided not to leave without a payoff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weeyin Posted 3 hours ago Report Share Posted 3 hours ago 9 minutes ago, Well-Made said: We should've been looking out with before now. Maybe we have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onthefringes Posted 3 hours ago Report Share Posted 3 hours ago Way down the pecking order after Liam Scales. Let that sink in. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mio Posted 3 hours ago Report Share Posted 3 hours ago 1 minute ago, Stuwell2 said: They must see something in him. Although he’s been on loan they must still be paying some of his wages so if he’s that bad with no chance of a return they would have punted him for next to nothing unless his wage is so high he’s decided not to leave without a payoff. You know what they are like though they are notoriously bad at transfer dealings. They’ll be sitting there with their biscuit tins out and lawell is like Arkwright from open all hours. (Sorry for the younger viewers, most folk over 50 will get it) he’s a big unit of a lad tho but he comes with a bit of an injury jinx. Anyway if he appears let’s hope for the best. Trust the process in the words of Russell Martin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuwell2 Posted 3 hours ago Report Share Posted 3 hours ago 4 minutes ago, Onthefringes said: Way down the pecking order after Liam Scales. Let that sink in. Where would you put him with Gordon and Balmer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wunderwell Posted 3 hours ago Report Share Posted 3 hours ago 3 minutes ago, Stuwell2 said: Where would you put him with Gordon and Balmer? Which is the correct question. Let that sink in! As a youngster he's played a decent amount of Euro football with Celtic - decent with feet and in the air. He will do fine for us - viewpoints on loans from other clubs in the league aside, I think OTF is doing him a disservice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dennyc Posted 2 hours ago Report Share Posted 2 hours ago 19 minutes ago, mfc said: I'm not a big fan of loaning players from the same league but welsh almost certainly doesn't have a future at celtic so he might be one that we could get permanently down the line. Contracted with Celtic until 2027 and reportedly on £8k a week. Doubt we would match that and the player would be crazy to give up a years salary at that level to join us permanently at the end of this season. I'm guessing Celtic hoping he does well with us this season so that they can sell him elsewhere for decent money at season end. They are keen to move him on but nobody is willing to meet the fee demanded. Scared Mechelen off.....twice. Yet another example of Celtic signing players on daft wages and then finding they cannot hold down a first team place or be moved on. Trusty on £30k pw, Engels 15k, Yang £10k as other out of favour players with years to run on contracts. Hilarious how poor their transfer dealings have been. Everyone is not a Virgil VD it appears. I would rather we looked elsewhere for a player on a permanent basis but it could be we are struggling to secure anyone Askou regards as suitable. Still time but this is might be the only upgrade we can achieve. I hope not, but I think Welsh might improve us. On that basis I can live with him joining us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Made Posted 2 hours ago Report Share Posted 2 hours ago Just been on wiki... I know, I know you can't always trust it but surely he has played more than 72 games in 6 years.... It reports 42 for Celtic between 2019 and now 19/20 played 15 for Morton And 17 for Mechelen last season. He signed a 4 year contract in 2023. He seems the type of player that is happy to sit and take a wage or is seriously injury prone which is why we are attracted to him. His injury history.. In July this year he had shoulder trouble with a potential need for surgery August 2023 ankle ligament injury 8 weeks out and day after he signed new deal Even with the few knocks prior to that nothing adds up to a longer layoff than 8 weeks (info collated from a couple of different websites) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orinoco Posted 2 hours ago Report Share Posted 2 hours ago Ain't it funny. Cries of get a cb in and when we apparently do, it's cries of not him! Perhaps our first choices failed to materialise. Is he better than Balmer? He probably is. He is still young enough to develop and I am sure will be fine. Only downside is if he become a fixture in the defence, that defence will need to change against Celtic. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FirParkCornerExile Posted 2 hours ago Report Share Posted 2 hours ago 13 minutes ago, Orinoco said: Ain't it funny. Cries of get a cb in and when we apparently do, it's cries of not him! Perhaps our first choices failed to materialise. Is he better than Balmer? He probably is. He is still young enough to develop and I am sure will be fine. Only downside is if he become a fixture in the defence, that defence will need to change against Celtic. You think our fans would have learned by now not to judge any signing based on performances for previous clubs. We've seen often enough previous form accounts for fuck all with our signings. If he signs it's a signing we need and I welcome him and reserve judgement until I've seen him a few times. Christ Davie Cooper was playing for Rangers reserves when we signed him. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Stall Posted 2 hours ago Report Share Posted 2 hours ago If he's better than what we have then bring him in. Loan deal so no risk. At this point in the transfer window it doesnt seem as bad an option as sticking with what we have. Even if this is just a boost in numbers/options Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MelvinBragg Posted 2 hours ago Report Share Posted 2 hours ago 19 minutes ago, Well-Made said: Just been on wiki... I know, I know you can't always trust it but surely he has played more than 72 games in 6 years.... It reports 42 for Celtic between 2019 and now 19/20 played 15 for Morton And 17 for Mechelen last season. He signed a 4 year contract in 2023. He seems the type of player that is happy to sit and take a wage or is seriously injury prone which is why we are attracted to him. His injury history.. In July this year he had shoulder trouble with a potential need for surgery August 2023 ankle ligament injury 8 weeks out and day after he signed new deal Even with the few knocks prior to that nothing adds up to a longer layoff than 8 weeks (info collated from a couple of different websites) I texted a mate of mine who has a season ticket at Parkhead when I saw us linked with him. His short response was "Sick note. Never seen him complete 90 minutes". Obviously an exaggeration but if his first thought is not about his ability but his injury track record, it does suggest it's an issue... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FirParkCornerExile Posted 2 hours ago Report Share Posted 2 hours ago 5 minutes ago, MelvinBragg said: I texted a mate of mine who has a season ticket at Parkhead when I saw us linked with him. His short response was "Sick note. Never seen him complete 90 minutes". Obviously an exaggeration but if his first thought is not about his ability but his injury track record, it does suggest it's an issue... Remember when we signed Craig Patterson I was told he was no use to us because he was always injured.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robsterwood Posted 2 hours ago Report Share Posted 2 hours ago 9 minutes ago, MelvinBragg said: I texted a mate of mine who has a season ticket at Parkhead when I saw us linked with him. His short response was "Sick note. Never seen him complete 90 minutes". Obviously an exaggeration but if his first thought is not about his ability but his injury track record, it does suggest it's an issue... As well made pointed out on stats and records, injury's have been short term. I think we should look at stats and records rather than one persons view or opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weeyin Posted 2 hours ago Report Share Posted 2 hours ago 13 minutes ago, FirParkCornerExile said: Remember when we signed Craig Patterson I was told he was no use to us because he was always injured.... Same when we signed Chris Porter I seem to remember. High risk because of his dodgy knee. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellgirl Posted 2 hours ago Report Share Posted 2 hours ago Just saw on twitter that the deal is almost done. Season long loan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onthefringes Posted 1 hour ago Report Share Posted 1 hour ago 1 hour ago, Stuwell2 said: Where would you put him with Gordon and Balmer? An upgrade would be a stretch methinks even on Balmer. I’m against loaning from another in the same league generally, we’d lose the player for 3 possibly 4 games as it stands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MelvinBragg Posted 1 hour ago Report Share Posted 1 hour ago 24 minutes ago, robsterwood said: As well made pointed out on stats and records, injury's have been short term. I think we should look at stats and records rather than one persons view or opinion. I take your point but if someone was to ask me about Nicholson or various others we've had at Fir Park my first instinctive answer would be 'injury prone'. Sometimes it's just that your instinctive answer is right. As in Louis Moult or Rolando Aarons. Sometimes not. As is pointed out in the case of Chris Porter as weeyin pointed out... Just worthwhile having a range of opinions. I'll confess I don't know if he can fill in at left back and with Wilson out on loan, I kind of assumed we'd sign a defender that could play left centre back and also cover Longelo at left back... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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