grumpy Posted Sunday at 01:52 PM Report Share Posted Sunday at 01:52 PM 51 minutes ago, cambo97 said: I think that's unfair, they are instructed to not call tight (or even obvious) decisions and let VAR decide later, which is fair enough as many tight decision given have would been awarded by the original decision then would have been declared offside. You are correct, that is the instruction, and they do mostly (but not always) let the play go to a conclusion before raising the flag. My point was more that we don't know what the decision would have been in a non-VAR universe as the linesman didn't need to make a decision. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texanwellfan Posted Sunday at 02:09 PM Report Share Posted Sunday at 02:09 PM 13 minutes ago, grumpy said: You are correct, that is the instruction, and they do mostly (but not always) let the play go to a conclusion before raising the flag. My point was more that we don't know what the decision would have been in a non-VAR universe as the linesman didn't need to make a decision. But I think he does have to make a decision. If he thought it was offside he should have raised his flag once Dundee scored so that the ref would know and be able to award Motherwell the free kick. He never raised his flag and so pre VAR the goal would have stood. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fizoxy Posted Sunday at 02:13 PM Report Share Posted Sunday at 02:13 PM Surprised at the level of doubt remaining on the disallowed goal. Their player was actively involved in play, he was challenging Dom for the ball. You don't need to touch the ball for that to be considered active, and whether he distracted the goalie is moot, he came back from an offside positi9n to be involved in play. This is from the FA "player in an offside position at the moment the ball is played or touched* by a team-mate is only penalised on becoming involved in active play by: ...usual stuff, then: challenging an opponent for the ball or clearly attempting to play a ball which is close when this action impacts on an opponent or making an obvious action which clearly impacts on the ability of an opponent to play the ball" You see similar given when a guy comes back to challenge for a header from a kick out or a long ball, just jumping to challenge with no chance of winning it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texanwellfan Posted Sunday at 02:26 PM Report Share Posted Sunday at 02:26 PM I was more discussing the way that officials now operate in general as raised in Grumpy’s post. I’m good with the decision in our game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellgirl Posted Sunday at 03:17 PM Report Share Posted Sunday at 03:17 PM People on pie and bov are currently discussing Kaleta. But someone on here said he's been returned to his parent club. So.. What is it? Has he gone or not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orinoco Posted Sunday at 03:39 PM Report Share Posted Sunday at 03:39 PM Pretty sure he's returned to his parent club. Also don't think he had the best of attitude, according to someone in the background. Don't think we have missed him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ropy Posted Sunday at 04:05 PM Report Share Posted Sunday at 04:05 PM 2 hours ago, wellgirl said: We have been poor over the season - completely agree. But one thing about Motherwell is that they never give up. We've been hugely unlucky with injuries too as people know. I actually think we have some very decent players who just lost confidence and its been that way for a while now. Obviously the injuries to our strikers, Miller and Ox didn't help. Think we badly missed Spittal too although I'm not bothered at the predicament Hearts are in I'll be renewing also If our better results were more spread out throughout the season we would all think this season had been fine, we have more points than last season with three games to go. I’ll get my ticket organised this week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewarkfanclub Posted Sunday at 04:08 PM Report Share Posted Sunday at 04:08 PM Just now, ropy said: If our better results were more spread out throughout the season we would all think this season had been fine, we have more points than last season with three games to go. I’ll get my ticket organised this week. Absolutely this. There is still a chance we could break the 50 point barrier, which would be quite remarkable given how shite most of us feel the season has been. Signed up for another year of misery today. Up The 'Well! 😍😍😍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellgirl Posted Sunday at 04:11 PM Report Share Posted Sunday at 04:11 PM 2 minutes ago, joewarkfanclub said: Absolutely this. There is still a chance we could break the 50 point barrier, which would be quite remarkable given how shite most of us feel the season has been. Signed up for another year of misery today. Up The 'Well! 😍😍😍 The emotional roller coaster you mean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewarkfanclub Posted Sunday at 04:15 PM Report Share Posted Sunday at 04:15 PM 3 minutes ago, wellgirl said: The emotional roller coaster you mean No, Im being glass half empty today for a change! 😆😆😆 But we are a great wee club! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellgirl Posted Sunday at 04:17 PM Report Share Posted Sunday at 04:17 PM 1 minute ago, joewarkfanclub said: No, Im being glass half empty today for a change! 😆😆😆 But we are a great wee club! We are that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weeyin Posted Sunday at 04:26 PM Report Share Posted Sunday at 04:26 PM 10 minutes ago, ropy said: If our better results were more spread out throughout the season we would all think this season had been fine, we have more points than last season with three games to go. Chat GPT made this a lost easier than the old days when I needed to calculate it manually. In the 12 team Scottish Premiership, our average position has been 7th. In the old, 10 team SPL, our average position was 6th. So statistically this has been a pretty average season. Wrapping up 7th spot would be a decent way to close things out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texanwellfan Posted Sunday at 05:34 PM Report Share Posted Sunday at 05:34 PM 1 hour ago, weeyin said: Chat GPT made this a lost easier than the old days when I needed to calculate it manually. In the 12 team Scottish Premiership, our average position has been 7th. In the old, 10 team SPL, our average position was 6th. So statistically this has been a pretty average season. Wrapping up 7th spot would be a decent way to close things out. I think sometimes the quality of the football on display makes it feel like we are worse than our league position reflects. I thought we played some decent stuff in spells yesterday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santheman Posted Sunday at 06:34 PM Report Share Posted Sunday at 06:34 PM 49 minutes ago, texanwellfan said: I think sometimes the quality of the football on display makes it feel like we are worse than our league position reflects. I thought we played some decent stuff in spells yesterday. I think it's more of a problem with the quality of the league as a whole rather than Motherwell as a team. Its becoming a bore fest punctuated by the odd moment of brilliance and made worse by VAR. If you read some of the other teams forums their fans are all saying exactly the same things we are and it'll probably be exactly the same next season and the season after that and the season................ Hopefully Wimmer can bring in some magic fairy dust in the close season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuwell2 Posted Sunday at 07:39 PM Report Share Posted Sunday at 07:39 PM 39 minutes ago, santheman said: I think it's more of a problem with the quality of the league as a whole rather than Motherwell as a team. Its becoming a bore fest punctuated by the odd moment of brilliance and made worse by VAR. If you read some of the other teams forums their fans are all saying exactly the same things we are and it'll probably be exactly the same next season and the season after that and the season................ Hopefully Wimmer can bring in some magic fairy dust in the close season. Got to agree with you regarding the league, the closeness of the teams through 3-12 makes most teams play negative tactics most weeks to try and ensure staying up at the end of the season over attacking football trying for a win week in week out. On the subject of VAR I feel that yes it has a negative impact in that it holds the game up and hasn’t improved the inconsistency of referees but overall I feel that -mostly- the correct/incorrect decisions cancel each other out and as such it should be binned until we get better referees. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Grew Posted Monday at 06:01 PM Report Share Posted Monday at 06:01 PM I couldn’t give a monkey’s chuff about the complaining and moaning from Dundee and the media concerning their 2nd goal being chalked off. How many outrageous decisions have we been on the end of this season with referees and VAR. Jeez there were two absolute howlers in one game a couple of weeks ago against Kilmarnock and both were wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fizoxy Posted Monday at 08:15 PM Report Share Posted Monday at 08:15 PM 2 hours ago, El Grew said: I couldn’t give a monkey’s chuff about the complaining and moaning from Dundee and the media concerning their 2nd goal being chalked off. How many outrageous decisions have we been on the end of this season with referees and VAR. Jeez there were two absolute howlers in one game a couple of weeks ago against Kilmarnock and both were wrong. Balmers head knock against dundee is up there. I'm sure if you ask supporters of every club, they will all say they've been shafted by VAR more than others this season, while ignoring the instances were they were beneficiaries of the shafting, like dundee with the above. It feels like we've got hosed more than assisted, but maybe I'm biased. A table of who had the most instances of "they got that one wrong" on the var review would he interesting. As far as the quality of games goes, we've had spells of good play all season, but have been too quick to revert to the panic punt, or backpass, when under pressure. The forced chopping and changing of the lineup can't have helped either. As mentioned above, no other team is playing like prime man city. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
well_said Posted Monday at 08:23 PM Report Share Posted Monday at 08:23 PM 6 minutes ago, fizoxy said: Balmers head knock against dundee is up there. I'm sure if you ask supporters of every club, they will all say they've been shafted by VAR more than others this season, while ignoring the instances were they were beneficiaries of the shafting, like dundee with the above. It feels like we've got hosed more than assisted, but maybe I'm biased. A table of who had the most instances of "they got that one wrong" on the var review would he interesting. As far as the quality of games goes, we've had spells of good play all season, but have been too quick to revert to the panic punt, or backpass, when under pressure. The forced chopping and changing of the lineup can't have helped either. As mentioned above, no other team is playing like prime man city. I'm sure the green bigots will claim that one because the whole world is against them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pettywulliegrew-2 Posted Tuesday at 08:39 AM Report Share Posted Tuesday at 08:39 AM 14 hours ago, El Grew said: I couldn’t give a monkey’s chuff about the complaining and moaning from Dundee and the media concerning their 2nd goal being chalked off. How many outrageous decisions have we been on the end of this season with referees and VAR. Jeez there were two absolute howlers in one game a couple of weeks ago against Kilmarnock and both were wrong. The standard of Scottish referees is shocking…..and it’s the same idiots officiating in VAR that are making the same mistakes on the park…..so it was nice to benefit for a change Willie Collon was still arguing that Balmers challenge against Killie was a straight red card even after if had been reversed on appeal Sky sports reviewed the incident on Saturday and all pundits agreed it was a poor decision……. And all also agreed that if Thompson had just cleared the ball properly……it would have never happened Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmcalpin Posted Tuesday at 08:49 AM Report Share Posted Tuesday at 08:49 AM Dundee and the media still moaning. It's funny that they've completely missed the point. They have very short memories! I don't recall much fuss from them over the Kofi Balmer incident. Comments emanating from Dens are indicative of a manager in deep trouble. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grizzlyg Posted Tuesday at 12:35 PM Report Share Posted Tuesday at 12:35 PM Funniest thing about Saturday is.....you are 2-1 up.......it's injury time........Maswanhise is clear. What the feck was Casey doing up there alongside him? 😂😂 He has his moments but I love big Dan's attitude 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfc Posted Tuesday at 12:53 PM Report Share Posted Tuesday at 12:53 PM 13 minutes ago, grizzlyg said: Funniest thing about Saturday is.....you are 2-1 up.......it's injury time........Maswanhise is clear. What the feck was Casey doing up there alongside him? 😂😂 He has his moments but I love big Dan's attitude Aye it was a typical defenders finish 😂,to be fair to casey it was him that headed it clear in the first place then charged up the park for the breakaway.his tackle near the end followed by winding the dundee fans up was class 👏 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weeyin Posted Tuesday at 01:39 PM Report Share Posted Tuesday at 01:39 PM 1 hour ago, grizzlyg said: Funniest thing about Saturday is.....you are 2-1 up.......it's injury time........Maswanhise is clear. What the feck was Casey doing up there alongside him? 😂😂 He has his moments but I love big Dan's attitude It's that attitude that buys him a pass from some fans, despite his lack of basic defending skills. I get it, but I won't be disappointed if we replace him with a central defender with positional sense. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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