FirParkCornerExile Posted May 10 Report Share Posted May 10 2 hours ago, Orinoco said: We have played the better football, but as usual pathetic defending costs us. Ref is a clown. Hearts can kick our players and get away with it. You and I definitely watch different games. At no point today did I think we played the better football. We played virtually no football. Although Hearts were pish they were better than us. I lost count today how many times , when under zero pressure we passed the ball straight to a Hearts player. We picked up no second balls and the less said about our defending the better. We were garbage from first ball to last. I'm afraid if MW thinks he only needs 3 or 4 players he is in for a rude awakening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FirParkCornerExile Posted May 10 Report Share Posted May 10 2 hours ago, Richie said: Even Gary McKay is questioning it. A 61 year old who looks 80, he's had a hard paper round. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJC Posted May 10 Report Share Posted May 10 1 hour ago, grizzlyg said: Nowt wrong with criticising a bad performance, I just feel every defeat and it's panic stations. Summer transfer window will be interesting Indeed. And it’s going to be an important summer for us which hopefully we do well in transfer business wise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orinoco Posted May 10 Report Share Posted May 10 9 minutes ago, FirParkCornerExile said: You and I definitely watch different games. At no point today did I think we played the better football. We played virtually no football. Although Hearts were pish they were better than us. I lost count today how many times , when under zero pressure we passed the ball straight to a Hearts player. We picked up no second balls and the less said about our defending the better. We were garbage from first ball to last. I'm afraid if MW thinks he only needs 3 or 4 players he is in for a rude awakening. Don't think we do. Excluding the usual culprits, we played the ball about, especially defence to midfield. Compare this to the hoof ball under Kettlewell. Midfield to attacking areas let us down. Once the 2nd and 3rd goal went in, we were beat and heads went down understandably. I agree we need more than 4 players. The Midfield with Slattery needs addressed. The defence is a shambles. Same players making same mistakes. We do need a squad, but any player we sign going forward should be a starter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robsterwood Posted May 10 Report Share Posted May 10 Good that Wimmer sees this poor side for what it is before he extends any more contracts. Need major changes. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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dinnae-punt-it Posted May 10 Report Share Posted May 10 As much as SODs might be nice guy, and the players might like him as a person, the number of important goals he’s cost us over his time with the club is significant. Can’t believe he got another years contract. Hells bells. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellfan Posted May 10 Report Share Posted May 10 SOD is shite and should be nowhere near the starting eleven next season. The rest of the defence can go and we build around McGinn and Gordon. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmcalpin Posted May 10 Report Share Posted May 10 7 minutes ago, dinnae-punt-it said: As much as SODs might be nice guy, and the players might like him as a person, the number of important goals he’s cost us over his time with the club is significant. Can’t believe he got another years contract. Hells bells. I think there was an option on his contract; maybe if he played X amount of games, which he's done due to the amount of injuries we've suffered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellsince75 Posted May 10 Report Share Posted May 10 7 minutes ago, dinnae-punt-it said: As much as SODs might be nice guy, and the players might like him as a person, the number of important goals he’s cost us over his time with the club is significant. Can’t believe he got another years contract. Hells bells. Agree - SOD is never a centre half, at best a wing back but now has no pace and can't get up the flanks. He's there to fill in for McGinn who's injured, who both get contracts and we'll rinse and repeat the same again next year. I worry that a few of the signings got a contract for being 'nice guys' rather than footballers who will make the team better. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmcalpin Posted May 10 Report Share Posted May 10 1 hour ago, wellgirl said: Yes. There was an extension that was triggered In that case, and maybe in some others, Michael Wimmer had no control over the extensions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MelvinBragg Posted May 10 Report Share Posted May 10 2 hours ago, wellfan said: SOD is shite and should be nowhere near the starting eleven next season. The rest of the defence can go and we build around McGinn and Gordon. 😂 Build around two guys, one of whom has been central to this season's dodgy defence and another who has been injured for the majority of this season and is 35 in October. Still better them than bombscare Casey... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spit_It_Out Posted May 10 Report Share Posted May 10 Wimmer might not have any say in extensions but by Christ he has a say in the Tony Watts of the world.I can't believe folk on here saying offer terms why cause he had two decent games this whole season.I have seen folk say offer Thompson terms good god people that's utter mental. There is a reason we are in the position we are Kettlewell and injuries can't be blamed for everything. What's next Callaghan because he has been fantastic on the physio table a real asset to the club. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weeyin Posted May 10 Report Share Posted May 10 1 hour ago, Spit_It_Out said: There is a reason we are in the position we are Kettlewell and injuries can't be blamed for everything. It's Kettlewell's team, we have one fit central defender and the guy SK signed to be our main striker is also crocked. There's not much blame left to assign elsewhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellfan Posted May 11 Report Share Posted May 11 9 hours ago, MelvinBragg said: 😂 Build around two guys, one of whom has been central to this season's dodgy defence and another who has been injured for the majority of this season and is 35 in October. Still better them than bombscare Casey... Unless Wimmer can find a way to nullify McGinn’s extension and Gordon’s contract, then of course he will have to build a defence around them next season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MelvinBragg Posted May 11 Report Share Posted May 11 Forgive me but was McGinn's extension not offered under Wimmer's watch? O'Donnell's he could do nothing about as it was automatically triggered. But having one 30 plus right back that's been converted to a centre back, did we really need another with McGhee arriving and Balmer still on the books. Basically, for me the decision to renew McGinn is one of the stupidest we've made in some time... 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0Neils40yarder Posted May 11 Report Share Posted May 11 22 minutes ago, MelvinBragg said: Forgive me but was McGinn's extension not offered under Wimmer's watch? O'Donnell's he could do nothing about as it was automatically triggered. But having one 30 plus right back that's been converted to a centre back, did we really need another with McGhee arriving and Balmer still on the books. Basically, for me the decision to renew McGinn is one of the stupidest we've made in some time... More stupid than actually giving SOD a clause in his contract that could be activated? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spit_It_Out Posted May 11 Report Share Posted May 11 McGinn and Sod are getting on a bit sadly getting more injury prone as you get older it's life so to be relying on them for an entire season would be madness. Sod at center back time and time again mistake after mistake everyone can see this his positioning is shocking when playing this role so expect more of the same if we continue with this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grizzlyg Posted May 11 Report Share Posted May 11 Watching highlights and SOD terrible for 1st goal but go easy on him folks.....it's his birthday today 😁😁🎂🎂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
well_said Posted May 11 Report Share Posted May 11 All the other strikers in the league know it's their birthday when he's in the opposing team.😄 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weeyin Posted May 11 Report Share Posted May 11 16 minutes ago, well_said said: All the other strikers in the league know it's their birthday when he's in the opposing team.😄 That's true of our entire defence. Something SK never managed to fix. I said it then, and I'll keep saying it. Regardless of what you think of an individual player, the defensive unit has been broken for a few seasons now and needs a complete rebuild. We needed to clear them all out and rebuild it from scratch. O'Donnell has his faults, but if you play him as a central defender beside a guy who has even less positional sense, you don't need to be Nostradamus to predict the outcome. I know that was pretty much our entire set of fit defenders, but even our first choices aren't exactly inspiring. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellsince75 Posted May 11 Report Share Posted May 11 1 hour ago, grizzlyg said: Watching highlights and SOD terrible for 1st goal but go easy on him folks.....it's his birthday today 😁😁🎂🎂 Happy birthday SOD . in fairness his strengths and weaknesses are there for all to see . He’s been asked to play in a position that doesn’t suit him. for a squad of +30 and a youth team it’s not great that an aging wingback is the medium term answer for an an aging right centre half who’s injured . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
star sail Posted May 11 Report Share Posted May 11 Disappointing result yesterday and it looks increasingly like the season is going to end with a whimper. It is difficult to know if Wimmer is taking the team forward at the moment. The lack of defenders does not help. It would be interesting to compare the stats for Kettlewell and Wimmer this season. One thing I find really interesting about the perception we have of different managers is that is does not seem to be entirely results driven. Derek McIness is a good example. His Kilmarnock team has done no better than us and he is being talked up for the Hearts job. He has had a few seasons now to build a squad and you could argue that the plastic pitch has given them a significant home advantage this season. Without the points collected at home they would have been in real danger of relegation. Stevie Robinson at St Mirren has outperformed McIness in the league over the last three seasons with demographically a similar team and yet he does not seem to have the same reputation . Let's hope we can get a result against Killie in midweek to put some distance between us and them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderpig Posted May 11 Report Share Posted May 11 44 minutes ago, star sail said: It is difficult to know if Wimmer is taking the team forward at the moment. The lack of defenders does not help. The time for MW to take a team forward, is when its got a majority of his own choice players in it, those comfortable with the style he wants to play etc. Seeing out the season with what he inherited to avoid relegation and the playoffs was the main target, that he has achieved so next it's the rebuild, then we move forward. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmcalpin Posted May 12 Report Share Posted May 12 19 hours ago, star sail said: Disappointing result yesterday and it looks increasingly like the season is going to end with a whimper. It is difficult to know if Wimmer is taking the team forward at the moment. The lack of defenders does not help. It would be interesting to compare the stats for Kettlewell and Wimmer this season. One thing I find really interesting about the perception we have of different managers is that is does not seem to be entirely results driven. Derek McIness is a good example. His Kilmarnock team has done no better than us and he is being talked up for the Hearts job. He has had a few seasons now to build a squad and you could argue that the plastic pitch has given them a significant home advantage this season. Without the points collected at home they would have been in real danger of relegation. Stevie Robinson at St Mirren has outperformed McIness in the league over the last three seasons with demographically a similar team and yet he does not seem to have the same reputation . Good post. My overriding memory of this this season is that its been a weird one, characterised by a generational injury list. As for Derek McInnes, be is beloved by the media not the fans and that counts for everything. With the exception of 2 maybe 3 or 4 clubs, the national media doesn't care about fans. Fans of different clubs have different perspectives. Our own support loves entertaining football and value for money. St Johnstone fans, for example, are very different. They tend to be more practical and crave results end of. Generalisations I know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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