Motherwell v Falkirk 18/10/2025

[Richie]

8 minutes ago, Kmcalpin said:

I think he said that McGinn's jersey was pulled in the lead up. Having said that, jersey pulling seems to be an acceptable part of the game now. Players are rarely penalised for it. 

This is the problem. There was a note of zero tolerance of jerey pulling (particularly in the box) at the start of the eason last year (I think).

It is now very selectively picked up on.

It was also meant to be an immediate yellow, which didn’t happen on Sat I don't think (when RCC was tugged back)

[Kmcalpin]

16 minutes ago, Richie said:

This is the problem. There was a note of zero tolerance of jerey pulling (particularly in the box) at the start of the eason last year (I think).

It is now very selectively picked up on.

The same as foul throws and tackling from behind. All very random. 

[joewarkfanclub]

3 hours ago, wellfan said:

 

As I said above, it comes down to poor game management from JBA. Koutroumbis should’ve been replaced by SOD at halftime, but instead, he waited until it was too late.

I dont disagree.

But even if he does that, we still have the same issue when Longelo goes off injured.

I guess we could put Halliday in there, or bring Balmer on and shift McGinn across.

None of those options are ideal though.

Not my intention to bash the manager as I think in general he has been fantastic for us.

But there are one or two things that havent been quite right.

[Kris-A-Goalda]

2 hours ago, Kmcalpin said:

I think he said that McGinn's jersey was pulled in the lead up. Having said that, jersey pulling seems to be an acceptable part of the game now. Players are rarely penalised for it. Remember Scott Vernon's ahem... penalty box  "tug" on Shaun Hutchinson in the 2014 Pittodrie classic (he almost ripped the shirt off his back)? By concidence, Steven MacLean was the referee, the same as last Saturday!  

Cheers! 

[wellfan]

3 hours ago, joewarkfanclub said:

Not my intention to bash the manager as I think in general he has been fantastic for us.

But there are one or two things that havent been quite right.

Yes. He’s earned all the credit he’s had so far, and I’m fully behind him. But that doesn’t make him immune to criticism. Credit where it’s due, and the same applies the other way, because he got it badly wrong at the weekend.

[mfc88]

7 hours ago, Kris-A-Goalda said:

Apologies if it's further back in the thread, but can't see anyone mentioning it. JBA was miffed at McGinn being fouled for one of the Falkirk goals - didn't see it in any of the highlights, anyone able to shed some light?

I had to watch back as well. There was a slight pull on his shirt/ arm by i think brian graham just before he headed it into arfields path. Point being that if not for that pull, he would have made a better clearance.

Would have been soft IMO but not as soft as what saids goal was chopped off for, which is presumably his main gripe.

Easy to bemoan not going into half time more ahead, but we should have been. Not a lot you can do if the officials are trying to chop goals off like that. Shocking decision.

[wellfan]

VAR technology itself isn’t really the issue in Scotland. It’s the absolute clowns operating it and the total lack of accountability. It’s ruining the matchday experience to the point I’m genuinely considering not renewing my season ticket until either (a) it’s scrapped, or (b) the officials somehow stop being utter morons.

[Stuwell2]

13 minutes ago, wellfan said:

VAR technology itself isn’t really the issue in Scotland. It’s the absolute clowns operating it and the total lack of accountability. It’s ruining the matchday experience to the point I’m genuinely considering not renewing my season ticket until either (a) it’s scrapped, or (b) the officials somehow stop being utter morons.

I’ve always said that VAR should be ran by foreign officials who have no axes to grind or possible favouritism and are competent rather then the idiots we have. 

[well_said]

24 minutes ago, wellfan said:

VAR technology itself isn’t really the issue in Scotland. It’s the absolute clowns operating it and the total lack of accountability. It’s ruining the matchday experience to the point I’m genuinely considering not renewing my season ticket until either (a) it’s scrapped, or (b) the officials somehow stop being utter morons.

Nothing will change while that fud collum is in charge.

[mfc88]

40 minutes ago, Stuwell2 said:

I’ve always said that VAR should be ran by foreign officials who have no axes to grind or possible favouritism and are competent rather then the idiots we have. 

I've always said it should be max 20 second review, with no drawing of lines etc. If no obvious error made, then the on field decision stands. The biggest myth about VAR is the words "clear and obvious".

Presumably everyone on here is aware of the VAR petition started by the well society, following the survey put out a while back?

[grizzlyg]

VAR was a farce for disallowed goal but what annoys me even more is McLean looked at screen and agreed with them!! Fed up seeing ref's not prepared to go with own judgement. 

But also at end of day we should still have had Falkirk out of sight first half 

[MJC]

VAR’s scope needs to be significantly limited and restricted.
 

“Clear and obvious errors” is what it was brought in to correct and that is what it needs to be restricted to if it’s going to work. If an attacking player is clearly in an offside position when a goal is scored or if there is an obvious foul on a goalkeeper or defender then apply it there.

But this jobsworth examining every goal to see if the player who has put the cross in’s big toe was technically offside or if there was a foul in the build up 40 yards from goal more than a minute before the goal is scored is just absolute bunkum and is totally ruining football.

As has been said several times, this not being able to properly celebrate and enjoy a goal because you’ve always got one eye on the big Screen/tannoy stating “Checking possible foul/offside” and then having to wait for potentially several minutes for confirmation either way is just ridiculous.

[Welly Machine]

33 minutes ago, MJC said:

VAR’s scope needs to be significantly limited and restricted.
 

“Clear and obvious errors” is what it was brought in to correct and that is what it needs to be restricted to if it’s going to work. If an attacking player is clearly in an offside position when a goal is scored or if there is an obvious foul on a goalkeeper or defender then apply it there.

But this jobsworth examining every goal to see if the player who has put the cross in’s big toe was technically offside or if there was a foul in the build up 40 yards from goal more than a minute before the goal is scored is just absolute bunkum and is totally ruining football.

As has been said several times, this not being able to properly celebrate and enjoy a goal because you’ve always got one eye on the big Screen/tannoy stating “Checking possible foul/offside” and then having to wait for potentially several minutes for confirmation either way is just ridiculous.

Have to agree with respect to VAR scope.

Can't remember who said it before but I think the best way I have heard it put is in Scotland VAR is being used to find pebbles when it's boulders it should be identifying.

[ropy]

8 hours ago, joewarkfanclub said:

I dont disagree.

But even if he does that, we still have the same issue when Longelo goes off injured.

I guess we could put Halliday in there, or bring Balmer on and shift McGinn across.

None of those options are ideal though.

Not my intention to bash the manager as I think in general he has been fantastic for us.

But there are one or two things that havent been quite right.

Balmer wasn’t on the bench so must be bottom of the defensive pecking order.

[FirParkCornerExile]

5 hours ago, wellfan said:

Yes. He’s earned all the credit he’s had so far, and I’m fully behind him. But that doesn’t make him immune to criticism. Credit where it’s due, and the same applies the other way, because he got it badly wrong at the weekend.

Don't worry lose to Livingston and the heat directed at the manager will increase quite considerably. For some we are a baw hair away from wanting the long ball shite back, as if that made us much better in the last few seasons. 

Basic individual errors are costing us dearly hopefully these will lessen because in every game right now we are making  some absolute howlers. We are not being beaten or losing a lead because the opposition are outplaying us. (Falkirk 2nd half excluded) 

Our season could look fantastic in 4 weeks time or it could look desperate thats the fine line we are running right now.

 

[FirParkCornerExile]

57 minutes ago, Welly Machine said:

Have to agree with respect to VAR scope.

Can't remember who said it before but I think the best way I have heard it put is in Scotland VAR is being used to find pebbles when it's boulders it should be identifying.

I just cant understand why they dont stick to the clear and obvious error. Saturdays ruled out goal was knit picking trying to find and error. That is not clear and obvious that is blatantly searching for something to cancel a goal. 

[grizzlyg]

Apologies for tangent but if anyone watching West ham v Brentford the Brentford away strip would be a great away strip for us

[robsterwood]

27 minutes ago, grizzlyg said:

Apologies for tangent but if anyone watching West ham v Brentford the Brentford away strip would be a great away strip for us

Agree.  Brentford strip is banging.