Motherwell v Aberdeen 15/02/2025

[star sail]

11 minutes ago, Stuwell2 said:

Ok so I’ve had a quick - we’ll not really that quick by the time I’d finished - look at this to see what could happen, firstly up to the split,

Celtic win all their games apart from us - 72pts

Hearts win all their games apart from us - 69pts

we win all our games - 68pts

Rangers win all their games apart from the Celtic game - 67pts

Post split:

we win all our games - max 83pts

 Celtic win only 3 games and lose to us and any other team - max 81pts

Hearts win all their games apart from against us - max 81pts 

Rangers win all of their games apart from against us - max 79pts  

Obviously there are multiple outcomes of which this is only one but if you’re a dreamer, dream on

Note: disclaimer my maths ain’t all that great at times and this could be a load of 🐂 💩 

I don't think this can be right. If we win the game in hand v Dundee we go seven points behind Hearts. Beat them twice takes us to one behind. If they win all their other games and we win all our other games, they beat us by one point (my calculations may also be wrong)

Crazy to think we could win the next 12 games, having lost only 3 games the ENTIRE season and still not win the league.

It will not work out like this of course.

Hearts will not win all their other games. 😛 

[FirParkCornerExile]

7 minutes ago, star sail said:

I don't think this can be right. If we win the game in hand v Dundee we go seven points behind Hearts. Beat them twice takes us to one behind. If they win all their other games and we win all our other games, they beat us by one point (my calculations may also be wrong)

Crazy to think we could win the next 12 games, having lost only 3 games the ENTIRE season and still not win the league.

It will not work out like this of course.

Hearts will not win all their other games. 😛 

Hearts are dropping more points in last 10 games than the other three, for that reason I don't think they will win the league.

[johnstone]

We missed Fadinger today. That’s the first time in a while a team has had a good bit of joy in the midfield against us. 
 

positives were Longelo looking really positive going forward and also our subs looked excellent, they combined really well to help us over the line 

Going to be tough in Pittodrie but I think today will give the team lots of confidence going into the cup tie.

As for the league, we are in the mix, no doubt about it. Win our game in hand and it’s all to play for. 

[star sail]

2 minutes ago, johnstone said:

We missed Fadinger today. That’s the first time in a while a team has had a good bit of joy in the midfield against us. 
 

positives were Longelo looking really positive going forward and also our subs looked excellent, they combined really well to help us over the line 

Going to be tough in Pittodrie but I think today will give the team lots of confidence going into the cup tie.

As for the league, we are in the mix, no doubt about it. Win our game in hand and it’s all to play for. 

Fadinger will be a contender for player of the season. 

Slattery probably won't make it into the top 3 midfielders of the season which shows the high standards in the middle of the park.

[Stuwell2]

1 hour ago, star sail said:

I don't think this can be right. If we win the game in hand v Dundee we go seven points behind Hearts. Beat them twice takes us to one behind. If they win all their other games and we win all our other games, they beat us by one point (my calculations may also be wrong)

Crazy to think we could win the next 12 games, having lost only 3 games the ENTIRE season and still not win the league.

It will not work out like this of course.

Hearts will not win all their other games. 😛 

Correct, the way I’ve written it is wrong, when calculating it I had Rangers winning all their post split games apart from us so Hearts drop 6 points post split which I forgot to add in and also only gave them 9pts to the split instead of 12 which made my post split figures add up - Edit required 

[Spiderpig]

11 hours ago, Stuwell2 said:

Correct, the way I’ve written it is wrong, when calculating it I had Rangers winning all their post split games apart from us so Hearts drop 6 points post split which I forgot to add in and also only gave them 9pts to the split instead of 12 which made my post split figures add up - Edit required 

You do realise that discusding scenarios after 26 games where we could still win the league is not normal behaviour for a motherwell forum, none of us have any experience of such things, well at least while we are sober and awake, so its not surprising your maths is flawed.

[joewarkfanclub]

I think its absolutely mind blowing that we are even contemplating it.

I thought those days were gone and never coming back.

Of course Rangers and Celtic have both made catastrophic management appointments this season and allowed Hearts and ourselves to capitalise, but I certainly couldnt see this coming at the start of the season, and Im probably one of the happiest clappers out there.

We are still a fair bit back mind you but if we can win our game in hand and secure a few more good results (particularly away from home) before the split, I think we can still be in touch going into the split where it will be all to play for.

 

[texanwellfan]

Usually Celtic have won it or are only need of a couple of points to win it at the split. So perhaps this year we’ll go into the split where 4 teams actually have a chance to win it. 

[star sail]

We have Celtic away and Hearts away before the split. Is that a mountain to climb or an opportunity?

Many would call it a mountain.

JBA would call it an opportunity.

[Big Wispy Flossy]

My memory may be playing tricks on me but weren’t we still in with a title chance in March / April 1995

[joewarkfanclub]

35 minutes ago, star sail said:

We have Celtic away and Hearts away before the split. Is that a mountain to climb or an opportunity?

Many would call it a mountain.

JBA would call it an opportunity.

A couple of wrongs to right!

[star sail]

12 minutes ago, Big Wispy Flossy said:

My memory may be playing tricks on me but weren’t we still in with a title chance in March / April 1995

I have a memory of heading to Firpark one midweek in Spring when Alex McLeish was manager for a Dundee Utd game when we were on the coat tails of Rangers.

My memory was being disappointed by the attendance for what seemed like a very important game. 

It was a very flat performance that I think we lost 1-0. Rangers were at Hibs and also lost but it effectively ending the title challenge. I am not sure if that was the same season.

[Big Wispy Flossy]

 

36 minutes ago, star sail said:

I have a memory of heading to Firpark one midweek in Spring when Alex McLeish was manager for a Dundee Utd game when we were on the coat tails of Rangers.

My memory was being disappointed by the attendance for what seemed like a very important game. 

It was a very flat performance that I think we lost 1-0. Rangers were at Hibs and also lost but it effectively ending the title challenge. I am not sure if that was the same season.

Sure it was the same season, lost something like 4 of last 6 games to fall away

Edited 3 hours ago by Big Wispy Flossy

[bobbybingo]

1 hour ago, Big Wispy Flossy said:

My memory may be playing tricks on me but weren’t we still in with a title chance in March / April 1995

1993/94 was the closest we came, wee Tommy's last season. Rangers collapsed at the end and we finished 4 points behind them in 3rd. 

We finished 2nd under McLeish the following year, but we were miles behind Rangers. I don't think we were ever really in with a realistic chance that season.

[star sail]

1 hour ago, bobbybingo said:

1993/94 was the closest we came, wee Tommy's last season. Rangers collapsed at the end and we finished 4 points behind them in 3rd. 

We finished 2nd under McLeish the following year, but we were miles behind Rangers. I don't think we were ever really in with a realistic chance that season.

I think we were at one point. My memory was that had we won against Dundee Utd and Rangers lost ( as they did at Easter Road) the gap would have been two points coming into the final 6/7 games.

As it was Dundee Utd won, we stayed 5 points adrift and had a terrible end to the season finishing 15 points behind. 

Our form thereafter dropped off a cliff with McLeish. I think he had been benefitting from the afterglow of Tommy McLean's success.

I am relying purely on memory so I can't remember the details but it was close up until mid March, early April.

 

[bobbybingo]

1 hour ago, star sail said:

I think we were at one point. My memory was that had we won against Dundee Utd and Rangers lost ( as they did at Easter Road) the gap would have been two points coming into the final 6/7 games.

As it was Dundee Utd won, we stayed 5 points adrift and had a terrible end to the season finishing 15 points behind. 

Our form thereafter dropped off a cliff with McLeish. I think he had been benefitting from the afterglow of Tommy McLean's success.

I am relying purely on memory so I can't remember the details but it was close up until mid March, early April.

 

Had a look at the London Hearts website, where you can check results and league tables game by game. 1994/95, we were 15 or 16  points adrift from January onwards.

The midweek we lost at home to Dundee Utd and Rangers lost to Hibs was 30th April 1994. 

I knew it was close, but I can't believe how close. If we had won that match, we'd have been 2 points behind Rangers with 2 games left to play - they took 1 point from those games.