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I was in the East Neuk this morning to collect our seafood order when another driver in the car park called me over. It was none other than Stevie Kirk, who had been doing the same. We had a good natter. He's had a few health issues of late but is now back to fitness, I'm pleased to report. He still follows all things claret and amber.

I’ve not worded that well so I’ll try again. I do enjoy going because it’s a life long passion following Motherwell FC. I know however that I’m not always going to ‘enjoy’ the game because that’s just the way it is and always will be for a club of our stature, but I go regardless and wouldn’t miss it, even though it often has me tearing my hair out. So I’m afraid Motherwell FC are stuck with me.

I see the superiority complex and cryptic style of some continue to be boundless.

Not been in for a while. MJC still not had his hole yet?

Played schools football with him and then watched him through the Ancell years. It's a good month to be 87.

Wah Wah Wah It’s something relevant to the club I support so I will comment on it whenever it comes up. And as far as I can see two other posters have also contributed to this particular discussion today so we can put your claim that “nobody gives a toss apart from you, apparently” firmly to bed and tuck it in with a nice wee cup of cocoa and a lullaby to help it along its way. So like I say…Wah Wah Wah

Yes. Overall, I found it cumbersome and confusing to have to constantly switch between 1) comments received in the initial consultation 2) proposed changes in light of that consultation and 3) the comprehensive detailed proposals and D) the the actual voting form when casting my vote. The information provided in 1), 2) and 3) was useful however; it was just the way in which it was presented. Specific examples? A) I agreed with the proposal to simplify adult membership tiers but wasn't clear about the status of legacy members who had paid in considerable sums in some cases; sometimes in a single lump sum. Why should they be allocated en masse to the 1886 tier and not to a higher tier? B) Code of conduct: I agree one should be introduced but don't agree with specific wording about "perceived" bullying, harassment and discrimination etc. Either its bullying / harassment / discrimination or its not. For the record, bullying / harassment / discrimination etc is totally unacceptable. Someone's perception can be wrong. I get though that this is a wider societal issue. Suggested text seems to say that it doesn't matter what someone does or says rather its whether another party is offended by it that matters. C) Major votes policy. I agree with its introduction but think that 75% is too high. I would have thought that 55/60/65% was more appropriate. That still represents a clear majority. Also, the triggers for a major vote are too loose and ambiguous. For example, what is the meant by a "large scale" financial decision? Is the defintion £1m or £2m or maybe £5m? Lines have to be drawn somewhere though. From memory, I may not have recalled everything 100% but thats the gist of my concerns. To put this in context though, well done to the those on the Society Board who drafted these documents. I know from bitter experience just how difficult and time consuming it is and the ramifications of defining a term loosely that only becomes apparent a later date, when some party takes issue with it.

I hope the discussions involve the words fuck and off.

The only thing is if you were doing a Hammell/Kettlewell 'who was the better' comparison, based on his service to the club I think Stevie Nicks it ...

He's a goggly-eyed wee fanny that turned his back on more caps at the age of 30 because playing for Scotland is much more difficult than playing for Celtic in the league. At least Tierney had the baws to try his hand at a better domestic level Edited to add...he's also a diving little cretin

Both are past 30. Both pretty experienced. Both previously right backs who probably don't have the legs for the modern attacking full back role. Both probably more suited to playing in a back three. Do we really need what is effectively two players filling the same role? Had I a choice of the two, I'd probably have renewed McGinn. But given O'Donnell renewed automatically, I'd have chosen to sacrifice McGinn in order to free up a salary for a younger defender with a bit more legs/energy/power.. But, hey, as it is they are both under contract now. I don't know how much value for money we'll get out of that fact, but not much we can do about it now..

Most of my jokes receive that also 🤣🤣

Scottish football is stagnant . All the usual home grown managers play same type of shit football tactically. Learned from the same books probably . One team plays one way so the other sets up to negate that. This along with playing each other 4 times if not more a season does make for boring stuff , boring managers with no room to trying something different . It's boring as fuk to watch. The majority of games in the league now are well below the standard they should be .Maybe someone from outside can bring something different along and bring back a bit of excitement back into a Saturday. I live in hope. And by the by this attitude is reflected in the National team as well. The manager makes watching paint dry seem exciting.

I’m assuming that Miller will be off soon, so I’m looking forward to us getting a nice hefty sum up front and the chance of some future add ons. I’m hoping we don’t squander any money on transfers but rather use it to be a bit more competitive on the salary front and enable us to better compete for some higher quality players. To be honest if we can replace Miller with two or three better quality players than we currently have in our squad we won’t miss him that much. With the team and tactics we’ve had the last few years we have not got the best out of him. We basically restricted his ability to play to his full potential by the way we played and the “support” we provided around him. So my comment about not missing him that much is a reflection on Motherwell FC and not on Miller. His talent and ability is there for everyone to to see but we were just never able to take full advantage of it.

mjc walking down the fir park road lol

And I would have been very surprised if you'd said anything other than that.

Correct, in my defence I wrote that last night while slightly drunk 🥴

Not sure he would get the time to build at Motherwell. He only wins trophies in his second season!

What strikes me about this thread is that the club almost do too good a job of keeping it under wraps and going leftfield for a thread like this. It's got to the point where we all know there's no point speculating or suggesting who it could be because no one has a clue.. So we're left with Fleetwood Mac jokes and discussions about Steve Clarke....

Was driving earlier and heard to bbc team talking after the game about Clarke and all of them said we should stick with him - ffs 4 wins in 21 games! Sack him now!

Always loved the metro

I literally just shat my breeks there. Went on the BBC sport Scotland web page and right next to the 'Pressley is new Dundee manager', there was a headline saying 'McGhee joins Motherwell'. Took me a minute and a fair bit of colon tightening until I remembered.........

Looks to me like they’ve tried to cram two different designs onto the same shirt. I just don’t get why we can’t stick with the amber shirt and claret band. It’s distinctive and people recognise it as ours. Do other clubs mess about with their traditional look as much as we do? Take Celtic, for instance – they keep their hoops. You don’t see Manchester United randomly switching to stripes, do you? Maybe one shirt in the last twenty years had a “V” on it, but they mostly stick to their main design and colours. There are still two other kits each season where you can be as creative as you like.

Too young to be a player manager...jeez he is still only 18!!

Perhaps some can stop the knicker wetting and invest in pampers now.

Callum Mcgregor greeting his eyes out like a big lassie was a glorious sight.pity those self entitled cunts don't lose more games like that,good on aberdeen.

Ironically against the same team as today , and on penalties, Liverpool also won the league that year and Leeds got promoted Hopefully an omen

I know what you mean, but the hoop and/or band has only been used on about 50% of our kits in our history. Even when I started watching us around 1970, we only had one hoop season until 1984. Our kit in the 1925-26 season looked like this: I'd be OK if we did that as a tribute 100 years later.

Its all ancient history ffs nobody gives a toss apart from you apparently, so can we start discussing the present challenges facing the club, and not what some long forgotten manager allegedly said or did 18 years ago

Folk say this all the time when talking about McGhee. What would he (or whoever might have been incharge at the time) have had to have done (or said) for people to say anything otherwise?

He remains a legitimate point of discussion for that very reason and he manages in the same division so we will come across him. He’s had plenty of opportunity, and will likely have again, to recant on his reasons for leaving. For the sake of his new wife I hope he doesn’t behave in his personal life as he did in his professional, as an apparent total lack of insight into personal limitations and willingness to acknowledge mistakes never bodes well for a strong relationship. On the other hand, as a Well fan, I hope he carries on his managerial career as he left us as that will guarantee a Killie side fighting relegation.

First season as a Motherwell fan?

I won't be the manager ever. So no need to dig me out eh. I'm entitled to my opinion the same as everyone else. I pay my money to see Motherwell the same as everyone else.

Stama has at least shown he has the talent/ability to score goals at our level. Whether he can stay fit long enough to prove that remains to be seen. I still hold out some hope for him, as he could still be a player that we can develop and sell on.

He’s been appointed 20 mins ago and he’s not even gave a statement yet…. Completely fkn unacceptable!!! Get him to fk

Koc will test him with a high five then make a decision.

I’d be quite happy if we were to go for Scott Brown even though I detested him as an opposition player. And can anyone deny he is a winner? Then again I’m against all this analytics bullshit. It all feels like a bit of a cop out to me. I can hear it now ……’Ah but the data suggested he was the man for the job’. Pretty sure even Kettlewell would have come out well using that system. Did that route not steer Hearts to opt for Cathro, as well as Critchley who outscored McInnes at the time? Crazy and hardly a strong recommendation for its use. I’m old school so let’s draw up a list of favourites from home and overseas, invite them in for an interview/presentation and offer the job to the one that comes across best whilst meeting the ethos of the Club…community, youth development, Society interaction etc. I wonder how many very successful managers would ever have gotten near their first appointments had analytics been the primary driver? Sometimes gut feeling and what you see with your own eyes might just be the way to go. As for Scott Brown, let’s set aside the Celtic connection and the Kipre red card. He had a job to do for his Club and did it very well. Just as he did as a player with Hibs. He is a young, ambitious Manager who is doing well and is highly regarded at Ayr. Did a good job at Fleetwood who were flirting with relegation before his appointment. He left after a season or so with the Club in turmoil behind the scenes and up for sale. The Ex Chairman was jailed for fraud. We could do a lot worse than Brown. Whoever we appoint has a huge job on their hands so we need to get things sorted soon.

Credit to the Board that the media, yet again, has no clue who we're even talking to. The bookies must love it when we have a vacancy, because they never need to pay out.

Our own Ian St John would have been 87 today Legend at both my clubs Motherwell and Liverpool. Wish I could have seen the great man play live Saint and Greavsie also growing up was classic TV

And who appointed you gatekeeper? It’s the close season, of course people are going to post things other than football matters. If you don’t like it, don’t read it or engage with it.

The 3rd goal one of my all time well favourites. Baraclough played a blinder and check the very youthful assistant manager

The argument of experimenting or “something a wee bit different” with kits is something I’ve never really got. It’s just my own view but why not keep the “wee bit different” to our training/leisurewear? That way the people who are going to buy the cheaper training/leisurewear (and there are plenty who do, myself included) have that top to wear for five-a-sides/going to the shops/lying on the couch scratching their baws or whatever. But at the same time keep the kit that the players representing the club on the park are wearing as a kit which is traditional and easily recognisable as a Motherwell FC kit?

Looks like Grizzly has been replaced in this transfer window....

That's now at least two gambles involving Riku Danzaki that haven't paid off.

It’s worth remembering that football clubs, like any organisation, need to deal with sensitive matters in a professional way. There’s a difference between being open and overstepping the mark. Revealing why someone stepped down, how long it was known internally, or the status of an assistant manager before anything has been confirmed isn’t just unwise, it’s genuinely unprofessional. It risks damaging relationships and can make it harder to bring in the right people further down the line. Supporters have every right to expect honesty. But they also deserve a club that handles its business with care and integrity, even when not everything can be shared straight away.

Wimmer instigated the deal before he buggered off. It would also be nice for a current squad update before the club starts announcing additions to the squad for next season. Or is that too much to ask for?

Yeah, I'd agree with this, although I'll also contradict myself and say I liked the 'Jester', 'Ajax' and 'Sash' strips. My gripe is when they dont use the badge and use just the typeface. I love our club crest - A thing of beauty. Anyway, I'd love us to get something closer to the 86-87 strip:

I'm not sure it's an age thing I wreckon I'm one of the younger posters on here at 30. But I just like our traditional kit and wish we took a bit more pride in it.

This is where I'm at. I simply don't know what to make of today's announcement. All I know is that there's more to this than the official statement. Its fair to say that moving abroad for work away from your family is a big decision and MW would have known this when he accepted our job. Previously he'd also expressed an interest in the Bristol Rovers vacancy. That said, I know nothing of his personal circumstances. From P & B it seems that the vacancy he's filling first occurred about 2 weeks ago. It may well be that he was unsettled before that, I don't know. It does seem strange though that he applied for or was approached for the job and landed it in a day or two. All thats as may be. He's gone and we very quickly agreed compensation. I'd like to know though when the club first learnt of his unrest. If it was a week or two ago you'd think that we'd begun preparations for this eventuality. Where does that leave us? Some good posts on P & B about this. The timing is not ideal but when is? I don't know when pre season starts, but would like to think we'll have a new man in place a few days beforehand. However, we're in a relatively good position. We're financially sound; our Premiership place is safe for another season; Lennon Miller's departure should earn us a few quid; the transfer window opens in a good few weeks time; and the squad doesn't need a complete overhaul. Brian Caldwell is in post to take care of administrative matters and Nick Daws will know of the types of player we're looking to bring in and individuals we're tracking or to whom we're talking to. The release list will have been finalised and players spoken to. I get that holidays may disrupt the search for a new man. But, yes, things should be moving along. As for replacements? None of the names being bandied about for vacancies in Kilmarnock or Dundee enthuse me. There is no standout candidate; just recycled names from the old boys club. We need to take our time and undertake due diligence (this time) but have someone in place a week before pre season.