Spiderpig Posted February 15 Report Share Posted February 15 43 minutes ago, joewarkfanclub said: Personally, Ive had it with VAR. The clubs are paying a lot of money for it and we aint getting any better decision making. Its a farce and needs binned. To be honest I thought it would be good for the game before it was introduced, but not now its a shambles, especially the bargin basement version we have combined with very poor operators. It's ruining the game and needs to be binned but the amateurs running the SFA / SPFL won't have the bottle to make a choice like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbybingo Posted February 15 Report Share Posted February 15 3 minutes ago, Spiderpig said: To be honest I thought it would be good for the game before it was introduced, but not now its a shambles, especially the bargin basement version we have combined with very poor operators. It's ruining the game and needs to be binned but the amateurs running the SFA / SPFL won't have the bottle to make a choice like that. I thought so too, but last night showed how useless it is. The confirmation of an offside call, surely the most basic, human error free task it was designed to carry out, ends up looking like somebody used an Etch-a-sketch to make the decision, followed by another example of person or persons taking an eternity to see some things and miss others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santheman Posted February 15 Report Share Posted February 15 2 hours ago, wellfan said: They've decided to use it to re-referee games, which is what happens when incompetents are given a new toy to help them. In my view, VAR is a useful tool for helping officials judge offsides and goal-line issues, but that's about it. Football is a contact sport, so players will often barge and tug and tackle and nudge, which always looks bad when slowed down and shown to some overpromoted prick who's never played the professional game themself. And players know this, so they either exploit it or are undone because they forget it exists. It's a farce and it's ruining the spectacle. People will stop going to games because the spontaneous joy has been sucked out of it. Yep totally agree. The most annoying thing for me is when I watch match of the day on a Saturday night and see tackles/ pushes/ hand balls etc not given and players just told to get on with it when you know that similar things up here will always result in a penalty. Some of the bear hugs, both hands round necks and jersey pulls resemble cage fighting at times. Down to the fact that English refs allow more physical contact or are just better than ours? I'd bin it tomorrow.  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteelmaninOZ Posted February 15 Author Report Share Posted February 15 Absolutely Devine  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelman1991 Posted February 15 Report Share Posted February 15 3 hours ago, wellfan said: They've decided to use it to re-referee games, which is what happens when incompetents are given a new toy to help them. In my view, VAR is a useful tool for helping officials judge offsides and goal-line issues, but that's about it. Football is a contact sport, so players will often barge and tug and tackle and nudge, which always looks bad when slowed down and shown to some overpromoted prick who's never played the professional game themself. And players know this, so they either exploit it or are undone because they forget it exists. It's a farce and it's ruining the spectacle. People will stop going to games because the spontaneous joy has been sucked out of it. Agreed. They're now looking actively at way's to "disallow" goals. Crazy. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfc Posted February 15 Report Share Posted February 15 4 minutes ago, steelman1991 said: Agreed. They're now looking actively at way's to "disallow" goals. Crazy. That sums it up perfectly,the sooner we get rid of VAR the better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texanwellfan Posted February 15 Report Share Posted February 15 1 hour ago, AllyMax said: I agree. Said that at the time. The first foul to be commited after the taking of the corner was the defender with two handfuls of Obika's shirt. They seem to have taken the whole period from the corner to the goal (remember the ball even left the penalty box and came back in) and picked one of numerous infringements to chalk the goal off. One would assume your interpretation would be correct that the first foul committed after the corner would be the outcome of the review. It would certainly help fans if the referee/VAR crew provided explanations, at the very least, post match, as to their review process and how decision was arrived at. Of course such an act would/could be quite embarrassing for the officials. It wasn’t just a little tug. As you state blatantly 2 handfuls, stopping him from moving. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmcalpin Posted February 15 Report Share Posted February 15 35 minutes ago, santheman said: The most annoying thing for me is when I watch match of the day on a Saturday night and see tackles/ pushes/ hand balls etc not given and players just told to get on with it when you know that similar things up here will always result in a penalty. Some of the bear hugs, both hands round necks and jersey pulls resemble cage fighting at times. Down to the fact that English refs allow more physical contact or are just better than ours? I'd bin it tomorrow. English football, at least at the higher levels, has always been more physical than ours. Bigger, faster, heavier and more athletic players. The last time I watched an English Premier League game, admittedly some 2 or 3 years ago, I winced at some of the challenges. Not particularly dirty, but just like two 800kg Spanish fighting bulls colliding at full speed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FirParkCornerExile Posted February 15 Report Share Posted February 15 2 hours ago, bobbybingo said: Looking at the carnage in the box after Paton scored, you knew they'd find something. They could just as easily have chopped it off and awarded us a penalty. Farcical, right enough. They didn't need to look very hard it was clear as day Butcher shoved the Aberdeen player , the arse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FirParkCornerExile Posted February 15 Report Share Posted February 15 1 hour ago, AllyMax said: I agree. Said that at the time. The first foul to be commited after the taking of the corner was the defender with two handfuls of Obika's shirt. They seem to have taken the whole period from the corner to the goal (remember the ball even left the penalty box and came back in) and picked one of numerous infringements to chalk the goal off. There's certainly mileage in that arguement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FirParkCornerExile Posted February 15 Report Share Posted February 15 Now that my annoyance has subsided , it's just as well we didn't play that game when it was originally scheduled as we'd deffo been pumped. We'd have take a point before the game kicked off. However I don't take away the criticism of the abysmal collapse. That Aberdeen team are poor so we should have been able to see that game out. Dreadful, not for the first time game management. Just reinforces that this squad for the umpteenth time doesn't have what it takes. Yeah periodically they can do it but consistently they have the same basic failings. Thankfully most of them are out of contract in the summer.  A big clear out is required and frankly I don't accept the "who will we get that's better arguement" that's what the managers paid for. That's his job.     Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbybingo Posted February 15 Report Share Posted February 15 26 minutes ago, FirParkCornerExile said: They didn't need to look very hard it was clear as day Butcher shoved the Aberdeen player , the arse. It was also clear Obika was being held, but Clancy missed both. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbybingo Posted February 15 Report Share Posted February 15 9 minutes ago, FirParkCornerExile said: Now that my annoyance has subsided , it's just as well we didn't play that game when it was originally scheduled as we'd deffo been pumped. We'd have take a point before the game kicked off. However I don't take away the criticism of the abysmal collapse. That Aberdeen team are poor so we should have been able to see that game out. Dreadful, not for the first time game management. Just reinforces that this squad for the umpteenth time doesn't have what it takes. Yeah periodically they can do it but consistently they have the same basic failings. Thankfully most of them are out of contract in the summer.  A big clear out is required and frankly I don't accept the "who will we get that's better arguement" that's what the managers paid for. That's his job.     I thought that wasn't his job? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twistandshout1983 Posted February 15 Report Share Posted February 15 Disappointing to let a 3 goal lead slip the way we did but overall it is another away point at a tough venue Good to see the much improved Theo Bair hit 10 for the season now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewarkfanclub Posted February 15 Report Share Posted February 15 2 hours ago, Spiderpig said: To be honest I thought it would be good for the game before it was introduced, but not now its a shambles, especially the bargin basement version we have combined with very poor operators. It's ruining the game and needs to be binned but the amateurs running the SFA / SPFL won't have the bottle to make a choice like that. Me too. Alas, shoulda known better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellgirl Posted February 15 Report Share Posted February 15 7 hours ago, Big Stall said: Leaving aside the RL stuff that has happened to you or what has went on elsewhere, i think you are over-thinking this place. You are clearly on one side of the spectrum - SK is trying hard/SOD is a lovely guy/Slattery is a great player etc etc. That is your opinion and that is completley fine. You have every right to it & folks have a right to disagree. Where you are wrong however is that the boo boys are the only opinion tolerated. Have a look at the responses Steelboy, Yodo & MJC get and you will see there are plenty giving them it tight. Its a fans football forum and we dont all see things the same way. It shouldnt be an echo chamber for boo boys or happy clappers. When people post on a discussion forum they should expect to be challdnged. The one thing i would say is that if people are sending you PMs that are trying to chase you off or threaten or upset you in any way, report it to the mods. That behaviour shouldnt be tollerated. No one has threatened me - there's no worries on that score. Everyone is different in their views and in their delivery but personally I sometimes don't feel like responding to certain posters - not because of the fact we have different views on Kettlewell. But because some posters post their opinions about the club and players as facts - and they are entitled to do that. But when you see posts writing off players before they've kicked a ball and saying Bair is useless - it's clear that some peoples dislike of Kettlewell has crossed over to anything he does is wrong. Not for a minute suggesting thats how all his critics feel.  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderpig Posted February 15 Report Share Posted February 15 3 hours ago, bobbybingo said: I thought so too, but last night showed how useless it is. The confirmation of an offside call, surely the most basic, human error free task it was designed to carry out, ends up looking like somebody used an Etch-a-sketch to make the decision, followed by another example of person or persons taking an eternity to see some things and miss others. It seems the authorities are admitting they are not getting it right with VAR Big increase in wrong VAR calls, finds review panel - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/68306579 We get mentioned twice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texanwellfan Posted February 15 Report Share Posted February 15 12 minutes ago, Spiderpig said: It seems the authorities are admitting they are not getting it right with VAR Big increase in wrong VAR calls, finds review panel - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/68306579 We get mentioned twice It seems my understanding of the VAR is not correct. I thought they would review all goals and penalties for any obvious refereeing errors. If any doubts then the ref and VAR team would review video and ref would make the final decision. I notice in the article that they said several times no VAR review should have been recommended. The scary thing is that when they reviewed it they were all getting it wrong!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Electric Blues Posted February 15 Report Share Posted February 15 27 minutes ago, Spiderpig said: We get mentioned twice Both those errors worked in our favour, as it happens, but they can still fire VAR into the sun as far as I'm concerned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmcalpin Posted February 15 Report Share Posted February 15 31 minutes ago, Electric Blues said: Both those errors worked in our favour, as it happens, but they can still fire VAR into the sun as far as I'm concerned. Of course the BBC is very selective as to which examples they print. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smiddy Posted February 15 Report Share Posted February 15 18 hours ago, joewarkfanclub said: I agree. Feels like an extended trial. Otherwise why sign Devine and put him straight into the team? probs a bit of both joe bring him in on 3 bob a week till season end, access him in training and bounce games if he turns out nb then he gets a deal if not the door hits his erse on the way out, keep in under wraps and in a cupboard away from st midden and the other player stealers, then bring him out after a good pre season 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smiddy Posted February 15 Report Share Posted February 15 11 hours ago, Big Stall said: Leaving aside the RL stuff that has happened to you or what has went on elsewhere, i think you are over-thinking this place. You are clearly on one side of the spectrum - SK is trying hard/SOD is a lovely guy/Slattery is a great player etc etc. That is your opinion and that is completley fine. You have every right to it & folks have a right to disagree. Where you are wrong however is that the boo boys are the only opinion tolerated. Have a look at the responses Steelboy, Yodo & MJC get and you will see there are plenty giving them it tight. Its a fans football forum and we dont all see things the same way. It shouldnt be an echo chamber for boo boys or happy clappers. When people post on a discussion forum they should expect to be challdnged. The one thing i would say is that if people are sending you PMs that are trying to chase you off or threaten or upset you in any way, report it to the mods. That behaviour shouldnt be tollerated. big stall    in my opinion    steelboy yodo and MJC are the same guy  :):) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grizzlyg Posted February 15 Report Share Posted February 15 3 hours ago, Spiderpig said: It seems the authorities are admitting they are not getting it right with VAR Big increase in wrong VAR calls, finds review panel - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/68306579 We get mentioned twice They failed to mention that Rangers should have had 20 more pens!! 😜😜 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
numpty Posted February 15 Report Share Posted February 15 2 hours ago, Kmcalpin said: Of course the BBC is very selective as to which examples they print. They printed all 13 of the errors that the review panel found. What did they miss out? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yabba's Turd Posted February 15 Report Share Posted February 15 12 hours ago, Big Stall said: The one thing i would say is that if people are sending you PMs that are trying to chase you off or threaten or upset you in any way, report it to the mods. That behaviour shouldnt be tollerated. It won't be, however between when Flow left and I took over I disabled the monitoring of DMs immediately. If someone is sending DMs that are inappropriate in any way, let us know and we'll deal with it. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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