texanwellfan Posted September 16 Report Share Posted September 16 Just watched AJ’s pat match interview. Pretty much summarized it correctly. Didnt turn our first half domination into goals and stopped playing our normal game after second goal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grizzlyg Posted September 16 Report Share Posted September 16 5 minutes ago, texanwellfan said: Just watched AJ’s pat match interview. Pretty much summarized it correctly. Didnt turn our first half domination into goals and stopped playing our normal game after second goal. I am sure he will have learned a lot last night and hopefully can see the players that need dropped Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellsince75 Posted September 16 Report Share Posted September 16 Feels apt to say as an attacking force we wouldn’t worry sheep Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grizzlyg Posted September 16 Report Share Posted September 16 5 minutes ago, texanwellfan said: Just watched AJ’s pat match interview. Pretty much summarized it correctly. Didnt turn our first half domination into goals and stopped playing our normal game after second goal. I am sure he will have learned a lot last night and hopefully can see the players that need dropped Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Dosser Posted September 16 Report Share Posted September 16 1 hour ago, grizzlyg said: Very well said and the support are vital this season. Do all the glory hunters who started coming back suddenly stop attending because heaven forbid we had a bad game? Our style has had many admirers and just look at the attendances. There will be bumps along the way but jeez give me our style ahead of Robbo tactics any day. Aye they won but the play-acting etc would stop folk turning up. Fans need to stay with it, even stand up and sing for Motherwell was flat as a pancake last night. Keep the Faith folks.......grizzly jovi 58 minutes ago, wellsince75 said: It’s blooming hard not to compare to last season - which I’m sure we all agree was simply fabulous . JBA was a level above anything I’ve seen before and some players very hard to replace aka Just . I loved watching pretty much every league game and although not finished article I really felt we’d win or certainly not lose . BUT that’s the past . if I compare to any other season I’d probably be reasonably happy, albeit I don’t like losing any game , particularly being pumped at home. I’ve no clue what to expect this season but probably fair to assume it won’t be 4th and that’s ok . What I do want is to enjoy my footy, be proud of performances and for that to happen we need to improve consistency Sums it up for me. Judging the manager so soon after a summer of turmoil, both personal and professional, is misguided. The new players need time to gel to produce something like the kind of football we saw last year. Aberdeen had nothing but the long ball for the first half hour, kicked and niggled all the time and got a goal with their first shot on target. The second, a deflected one from a simple mistake was the killer. They could pick us off then when we went for broke and it worked. The much-criticised Vogt produced two excellent crosses which should have been more productive and Thor a couple of flick-ons and hold-up play which was an improvement on the performance of the front three which started, who offered little/nothing as a unit. The Dundee game is a test for the new manager and players to show a big reaction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prestwickwell Posted September 16 Report Share Posted September 16 Never seen last night which was a bonus but do think this w/ends a big game to see if we get a reaction I’ve got big doubts on the keeper ( I know people have been raving about him ) thought we needed a right back which was shot down…. & kanga looks far too lightweight for this league ( as does probably Vogt ) signings on a whole have been decent but there is some doubts if we’re considering the physicality of the league Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wellsince1976 Posted September 16 Report Share Posted September 16 30 minutes ago, Prestwickwell said: Never seen last night which was a bonus but do think this w/ends a big game to see if we get a reaction I’ve got big doubts on the keeper ( I know people have been raving about him ) thought we needed a right back which was shot down…. & kanga looks far too lightweight for this league ( as does probably Vogt ) signings on a whole have been decent but there is some doubts if we’re considering the physicality of the league Would you not have put Just in the lightweight category last season? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grizzlyg Posted September 16 Report Share Posted September 16 1 hour ago, Prestwickwell said: Never seen last night which was a bonus but do think this w/ends a big game to see if we get a reaction I’ve got big doubts on the keeper ( I know people have been raving about him ) thought we needed a right back which was shot down…. & kanga looks far too lightweight for this league ( as does probably Vogt ) signings on a whole have been decent but there is some doubts if we’re considering the physicality of the league None of the goals last night were keepers fault Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewarkfanclub Posted September 16 Report Share Posted September 16 Theres a few of things I noticed last night that on reflection Id like to see fixed. The first thing was our press. With no focal point of the attack, there didnt seem to be anyone to start the press to signal to the rest of the team to go. Not sure if that was by design or default, but Id like to see Seb start as our preferred option in the middle. He has pace and a bit of physicality, so can get to and at defenders/keeper. He needs supported with pace though for any press to work, so for me Maswanwhise and Said have to be either side. Cookie is too slow. Secondly, why were Fadinger and Hodge having to come so deep to pick up the ball? Having Moorman and Jake either side of them whilst doing so seemed mental, didnt work and caused us all sorts of difficulties. If we want to play out our centre halves have to be comfortable on the ball and able to pass out. If Fadinger or Hodge are dropping to play quarterback then the centre halves need to move into pockets to receive the ball instead of just standing and letting the midfield deal with it. Our style requires multiple options to receive a pass at all times. We cant afford passengers or players hiding. Everyone needs to be willing to show for the ball, that hasnt been the case this season and our midfield were very static last night. Finally, we are not winning the ball back high up the pitch the way we were last season. Not sure whether we just arent running as hard this season to get it back (Just was fantastic at it) or whether its something more structural, but its really apparent. Definitely plenty to work on out on the training pitch. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texanwellfan Posted September 16 Report Share Posted September 16 Agree with pretty much all of that except maybe your secomd item, Watt done that all season long although Welsh woukd also bring the ball out. I think JKL gives us a more Welsh like option. i also wonder how much we are missing Preistman. For me, he was our Watt replacement. Stepped in seamlessly for games last season and started off very well this season. regarding you last point, I think the effort level has dropped a wee bit which results in us not playing as a unit amd leads to some of the big gaps we are seeing. Need to attack as a team and get back to that high press but willing to put the work in to get back and defend should the other team beat the press. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmcalpin Posted September 16 Report Share Posted September 16 3 hours ago, Prestwickwell said: I’ve got big doubts on the keeper ( I know people have been raving about him ) Ditto. I wasn't impressed last night, but in fairness, he had no chance with any of the goals as Aberdeen's finishing was something we could only dream of. He failed to command his area and on one occasion got mixed up with one of the central defenders when he should have taken control. He was also almost caught out twice with the ball at his feet. As for midfield, we really do miss Priestman for his energy and movement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Great Balls of Shire Posted September 17 Report Share Posted September 17 12 hours ago, Wellsince1976 said: Would you not have put Just in the lightweight category last season? Just didnt get bullied so he wasnt lightweight...its up to Kanga to use the skill hes got to work in this league...the goal v St mirren shows he has great technique Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellfan Posted September 17 Report Share Posted September 17 11 hours ago, joewarkfanclub said: Theres a few of things I noticed last night that on reflection Id like to see fixed. The first thing was our press. With no focal point of the attack, there didnt seem to be anyone to start the press to signal to the rest of the team to go. Not sure if that was by design or default, but Id like to see Seb start as our preferred option in the middle. He has pace and a bit of physicality, so can get to and at defenders/keeper. He needs supported with pace though for any press to work, so for me Maswanwhise and Said have to be either side. Cookie is too slow. Secondly, why were Fadinger and Hodge having to come so deep to pick up the ball? Having Moorman and Jake either side of them whilst doing so seemed mental, didnt work and caused us all sorts of difficulties. If we want to play out our centre halves have to be comfortable on the ball and able to pass out. If Fadinger or Hodge are dropping to play quarterback then the centre halves need to move into pockets to receive the ball instead of just standing and letting the midfield deal with it. Our style requires multiple options to receive a pass at all times. We cant afford passengers or players hiding. Everyone needs to be willing to show for the ball, that hasnt been the case this season and our midfield were very static last night. Finally, we are not winning the ball back high up the pitch the way we were last season. Not sure whether we just arent running as hard this season to get it back (Just was fantastic at it) or whether its something more structural, but its really apparent. Definitely plenty to work on out on the training pitch. Aye, what we’re seeing, and what you’re describing here, are largely tactical and coaching issues. The players have to take some responsibility, but ultimately it’s on the manager. It’s his team now, his selection and his setup, with a lot of his own signings in there. Can he fix it? Let’s hope so. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prestwickwell Posted September 17 Report Share Posted September 17 22 hours ago, Wellsince1976 said: Would you not have put Just in the lightweight category last season? Just had players round him to excell neither Vogt or kanga will be anywhere near just’s level either way Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prestwickwell Posted September 17 Report Share Posted September 17 21 hours ago, grizzlyg said: None of the goals last night were keepers fault Never said they were ( if u read the post I wasn’t there last night ) seen enough to suggest I don’t think he’s the level I’m sure you’ll flip flop ur opinion depending on how the wind blows though 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderpig Posted September 17 Report Share Posted September 17 1 hour ago, Prestwickwell said: Never said they were ( if u read the post I wasn’t there last night ) seen enough to suggest I don’t think he’s the level I’m sure you’ll flip flop ur opinion depending on how the wind blows though 😂 What level is that,scottish premiership or the level his parent club Bournemouth play at in the English premiership Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prestwickwell Posted September 17 Report Share Posted September 17 4 minutes ago, Spiderpig said: What level is that,scottish premiership or the level his parent club Bournemouth play at in the English premiership Many games has he played for Bournemouth For the record I said he kept us in at st Mirren we’ve got a lack of physicality, a keeper thats suspect from crosses…..& 1 that gives you the fear when he’s got the ball at his feet it’s alright to have a balanced opinion rather than happy clapping or a doom merchant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grizzlyg Posted September 17 Report Share Posted September 17 2 hours ago, Prestwickwell said: Never said they were ( if u read the post I wasn’t there last night ) seen enough to suggest I don’t think he’s the level I’m sure you’ll flip flop ur opinion depending on how the wind blows though 😂 I never said that you said the keeper was at fault. 🤪 I only said he wasn't at fault for any of the goals I am called a shite comedian every day but flip flop is a new one 🤪🤪 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prestwickwell Posted September 17 Report Share Posted September 17 7 minutes ago, grizzlyg said: I never said that you said the keeper was at fault. 🤪 I am called a shite comedian every day but flip flops is a new one 🤪🤪 Am confused if you’ve actually got an input 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grizzlyg Posted September 17 Report Share Posted September 17 3 minutes ago, Prestwickwell said: Am confused if you’ve actually got an input 😂 Have i upset you in a previous life also? The list seems to be growing 🤣🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grizzlyg Posted September 17 Report Share Posted September 17 4 minutes ago, Prestwickwell said: . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewarkfanclub Posted September 17 Report Share Posted September 17 1 hour ago, Prestwickwell said: it’s alright to have a balanced opinion rather than happy clapping or a doom merchant Everyone is entitled to their opinion. Happy Clappers, Doom Merchants & Forum Comedians. Whether your comments are balanced or not are sureley for others to judge? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prestwickwell Posted September 17 Report Share Posted September 17 Absolutely does help if people have an opinion either way though 😂 for example to the point I responded too…. chelsea sign a million players a season…..are they all Chelsea quality what bit of the keeper kept us in it against st Mirren but suspect from crosses & the ball at his feet do u think isn’t balanced? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
well_said Posted September 17 Report Share Posted September 17 1 hour ago, grizzlyg said: I never said that you said the keeper was at fault. 🤪 I only said he wasn't at fault for any of the goals I am called a shite comedian every day but flip flop is a new one 🤪🤪 The flip flops are to stop you putting your feet in it.🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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