Dundee v Motherwell 19/09/2026

[texanwellfan]

1 minute ago, Kmcalpin said:

Well at the very least we were looking for a good performance today and we were nowhere near that standard. We started off the season well, despite a hectic opening to the season but have deteriorated since which is a puzzle and a concern. You would expect exactly the opposite as the new manager settles in and gets his ideas across.  

Since the St Mirren game I think we have tried to be a little less gung ho and show more patience but based on the evidence so far I think we have gone too far that way. We pretty much have been in charge of posession in most of our games, bar Freiburg, but have lost our attacking edge. We need to revert back to being a bit more risky amd allow the players to go attack. It’s much more entertaining. 

[mfc]

We're far to slow in possession with no real attacking idea and now we're seeing more and more individual errors costing us,that's a recipe for disaster,the manager was loyal to too many today after that horror show against aberdeen and we got no reaction from the team as a whole,some of them need a boot up the arse and a spell on the bench.im still all for the manager but he needs to start getting it and quick,that's him been outfoxed and played right into the hands of two duds in robinson and pressley,he's got options at his disposal and he will need to start changing it up a bit as we look like we could very easily go on a really poor run of form. 

[FirParkCornerExile]

Now that Ive had the drive back from Dundee to calm down I'm probably going to be in a minority of one. I didn't think it was bad as the hysteria being spouted online suggests and those saying the managers a dud and needs removed are needing a long hard look at themselves.

We played better football today than we did against Aberdeen, particularly in the second half where we upped the pace of the press. First half the build up was slow and predictable and there is no hiding the fact we have fuck all up front with Maswanhise.

The important points as I saw it. We beat ourselves, it was all self inflicted  I.d be more worried if Dundee were a better team than us. This was a Dundee team getting plaudits from everywhere at how good they were and had we not shot ourselves in the foot they were never beating us today.. 

1. We gifted Dundee two goals, they didn't have to work hard for them.

2. Maswanhise should now  be benched, he's not even nuisance value.

3. SOD needs brought back into the team. He can deliver decent balls into the area and with Eythor Bjørgolfsson in the forward line we have someone who could take advantage and unsettle the opposition. Maswanhise couldn't unsettle me..

4 Sparrow was far too content to turn back and play the safe easy ball and creating fuck all.

5. Hodge ain't doing it for me as yet, we badly need Preistman back. 

6. Jake Girdwood- Reich is slower than a week in the jail and again nearly cost us .His style of play actually encourages the slow pedestrian build up. When the ball is played out to him he never does anything at pace its slow and pedestrian and it allows our opponents to set up in positions to stifle us. 

7. Its time for Eythor Bjørgolfsson to start . He did more to unsettle Dundees defence in 8 minutes than Maswanhise or RCC have done in 8 games.

8. Manager is being too predictable and loyal in his team selection. We have a big squad and we have different options the manager now needs to use them.

I actually don't think we are too far away we just need the manager to make the necessary sacrifices among some of his automatic picks and for the players to learn that they don't need to take 4 or 5 touches in the box. If he sticks with his predictable first team picks we are going to see more of the same.

 

 

[grizzlyg]

8 minutes ago, FirParkCornerExile said:

Now that Ive had the drive back from Dundee to calm down I'm probably going to be in a minority of one. I didn't think it was bad as the hysteria being spouted online suggests and those saying the managers a dud and needs removed are needing a long hard look at themselves.

We played better football today than we did against Aberdeen, particularly in the second half where we upped the pace of the press. First half the build up was slow and predictable and there is no hiding the fact we have fuck all up front with Maswanhise.

The important points as I saw it. We beat ourselves, it was all self inflicted  I.d be more worried if Dundee were a better team than us. This was a Dundee team getting plaudits from everywhere at how good they were and had we not shot ourselves in the foot they were never beating us today.. 

1. We gifted Dundee two goals, they didn't have to work hard for them.

2. Maswanhise should now  be benched, he's not even nuisance value.

3. SOD needs brought back into the team. He can deliver decent balls into the area and with Eythor Bjørgolfsson in the forward line we have someone who could take advantage and unsettle the opposition. Maswanhise couldn't unsettle me..

4 Sparrow was far too content to turn back and play the safe easy ball and creating fuck all.

5. Hodge ain't doing it for me as yet, we badly need Preistman back. 

6. Jake Girdwood- Reich is slower than a week in the jail and again nearly cost us .His style of play actually encourages the slow pedestrian build up. When the ball is played out to him he never does anything at pace its slow and pedestrian and it allows our opponents to set up in positions to stifle us. 

7. Its time for Eythor Bjørgolfsson to start . He did more to unsettle Dundees defence in 8 minutes than Maswanhise or RCC have done in 8 games.

8. Manager is being too predictable and loyal in his team selection. We have a big squad and we have different options the manager now needs to use them.

I actually don't think we are too far away we just need the manager to make the necessary sacrifices among some of his automatic picks and for the players to learn that they don't need to take 4 or 5 touches in the box. If he sticks with his predictable first team picks we are going to see more of the same.

 

 

Bang on pal

[wunderwell]

26 minutes ago, FirParkCornerExile said:

Now that Ive had the drive back from Dundee to calm down I'm probably going to be in a minority of one. I didn't think it was bad as the hysteria being spouted online suggests and those saying the managers a dud and needs removed are needing a long hard look at themselves.

We played better football today than we did against Aberdeen, particularly in the second half where we upped the pace of the press. First half the build up was slow and predictable and there is no hiding the fact we have fuck all up front with Maswanhise.

The important points as I saw it. We beat ourselves, it was all self inflicted  I.d be more worried if Dundee were a better team than us. This was a Dundee team getting plaudits from everywhere at how good they were and had we not shot ourselves in the foot they were never beating us today.. 

1. We gifted Dundee two goals, they didn't have to work hard for them.

2. Maswanhise should now  be benched, he's not even nuisance value.

3. SOD needs brought back into the team. He can deliver decent balls into the area and with Eythor Bjørgolfsson in the forward line we have someone who could take advantage and unsettle the opposition. Maswanhise couldn't unsettle me..

4 Sparrow was far too content to turn back and play the safe easy ball and creating fuck all.

5. Hodge ain't doing it for me as yet, we badly need Preistman back. 

6. Jake Girdwood- Reich is slower than a week in the jail and again nearly cost us .His style of play actually encourages the slow pedestrian build up. When the ball is played out to him he never does anything at pace its slow and pedestrian and it allows our opponents to set up in positions to stifle us. 

7. Its time for Eythor Bjørgolfsson to start . He did more to unsettle Dundees defence in 8 minutes than Maswanhise or RCC have done in 8 games.

8. Manager is being too predictable and loyal in his team selection. We have a big squad and we have different options the manager now needs to use them.

I actually don't think we are too far away we just need the manager to make the necessary sacrifices among some of his automatic picks and for the players to learn that they don't need to take 4 or 5 touches in the box. If he sticks with his predictable first team picks we are going to see more of the same.

 

 

Why can't you predict anything negative? I've no need to have a long hard look at myself.
I've not seen anyone who wants the manager removed at this juncture and nor should we be even entertaining this.
However, my prediction is that he won't cut it, for a number of factors I have seen so far. 
We need to give him some time to figure out if my gut feeling comes correct.
 

[wellsince75]

27 minutes ago, FirParkCornerExile said:

Now that Ive had the drive back from Dundee to calm down I'm probably going to be in a minority of one. I didn't think it was bad as the hysteria being spouted online suggests and those saying the managers a dud and needs removed are needing a long hard look at themselves.

We played better football today than we did against Aberdeen, particularly in the second half where we upped the pace of the press. First half the build up was slow and predictable and there is no hiding the fact we have fuck all up front with Maswanhise.

The important points as I saw it. We beat ourselves, it was all self inflicted  I.d be more worried if Dundee were a better team than us. This was a Dundee team getting plaudits from everywhere at how good they were and had we not shot ourselves in the foot they were never beating us today.. 

1. We gifted Dundee two goals, they didn't have to work hard for them.

2. Maswanhise should now  be benched, he's not even nuisance value.

3. SOD needs brought back into the team. He can deliver decent balls into the area and with Eythor Bjørgolfsson in the forward line we have someone who could take advantage and unsettle the opposition. Maswanhise couldn't unsettle me..

4 Sparrow was far too content to turn back and play the safe easy ball and creating fuck all.

5. Hodge ain't doing it for me as yet, we badly need Preistman back. 

6. Jake Girdwood- Reich is slower than a week in the jail and again nearly cost us .His style of play actually encourages the slow pedestrian build up. When the ball is played out to him he never does anything at pace its slow and pedestrian and it allows our opponents to set up in positions to stifle us. 

7. Its time for Eythor Bjørgolfsson to start . He did more to unsettle Dundees defence in 8 minutes than Maswanhise or RCC have done in 8 games.

8. Manager is being too predictable and loyal in his team selection. We have a big squad and we have different options the manager now needs to use them.

I actually don't think we are too far away we just need the manager to make the necessary sacrifices among some of his automatic picks and for the players to learn that they don't need to take 4 or 5 touches in the box. If he sticks with his predictable first team picks we are going to see more of the same.

 

 

Lots of good points here , agree with the majority - my frustration is the manager is the guy who could make the 7 changes you’ve outlined and hasn’t .
 

if we can all see the issues , which we can re the players mentioned then so should the gaffer and make changes 

 

I found today a hard watch , I can’t remember worrying their keeper 

[FirParkCornerExile]

2 minutes ago, wunderwell said:

Why can't you predict anything negative? I've no need to have a long hard look at myself.
I've not seen anyone who wants the manager removed at this juncture and nor should we be even entertaining this.
However, my prediction is that he won't cut it, for a number of factors I have seen so far. 
We need to give him some time to figure out if my gut feeling comes correct.
 

I suggest you read twitter to see some saying the manager should be binned.

[wunderwell]

1 minute ago, FirParkCornerExile said:

I suggest you read twitter to see some saying the manager should be binned.

Ah I see! Yeh Facebook and Twitter feeds all full of trolls, fair enough. 
On this forum, we can have a sensible debate!

[FirParkCornerExile]

1 minute ago, wellsince75 said:

Lots of good points here , agree with the majority - my frustration is the manager is the guy who could make the 7 changes you’ve outlined and hasn’t .
 

if we can all see the issues , which we can re the players mentioned then so should the gaffer and make changes 

 

I found today a hard watch , I can’t remember worrying their keeper 

I get the impression he's been trying not upset the apple cart from JBA team, for those that are still with us and frankly we don't have the same players to play it exactly the same. I think he now has to step up and be his own man and put a rocket up the arse of some who look to be coasting. 

[FirParkCornerExile]

6 minutes ago, wellsince75 said:

Lots of good points here , agree with the majority - my frustration is the manager is the guy who could make the 7 changes you’ve outlined and hasn’t .
 

if we can all see the issues , which we can re the players mentioned then so should the gaffer and make changes 

 

I found today a hard watch , I can’t remember worrying their keeper 

I agree there were a number of negatives  but it wasn't as bad as some are making out, well in my mind anyway. We made two mistakes and got punished.   The final 3rd I totally agree we were very very ineffective today, but time has to be called on Maswanhise and RCC , suitable for the subs bench only. 

[wunderwell]

7 minutes ago, FirParkCornerExile said:

I get the impression he's been trying not upset the apple cart from JBA team, for those that are still with us and frankly we don't have the same players to play it exactly the same. I think he now has to step up and be his own man and put a rocket up the arse of some who look to be coasting. 

Herein lies my feelings thus far. I don't see that he has the rocket up the arse mentality. 
Cuddly managers like Klopp, Guardiola and to a degree Askou, have plenty of bite under the surface. 
Arteta, O'Neill, McInnes have some quite aggressive attitudes. 
We've got a Gray/Goodwin....and that will inevitably fail imo.

[FirParkCornerExile]

1 minute ago, wunderwell said:

Herein lies my feelings thus far. I don't see that he has the rocket up the arse mentality. 
Cuddly managers like Klopp, Guardiola and to a degree Askou, have plenty of bite under the surface. 
O'Neill, McInnes have some quite aggressive attitudes. 
We've got a Gray/Goodwin....and that will inevitably fail imo.

who knows don't know enough about him to know what kind of character he is behind the scenes. However time will tell and if he is as you suggest he wont be long in being found out. However we are a good distance away from that judgement call right now. Anyway away to watch our old manager see if the pressure is still building on him in his game tonight. 

[wunderwell]

1 minute ago, FirParkCornerExile said:

who knows don't know enough about him to know what kind of character he is behind the scenes. However time will tell and if he is as you suggest he wont be long in being found out. However we are a good distance away from that judgement call right now. Anyway away to watch our old manager see if the pressure is still building on him in his game tonight. 

Nice one, enjoy. All about opinions. 
I don't mind being wrong in the long term, in fact I would take great satisfaction in it.

[FirParkCornerExile]

4 minutes ago, wunderwell said:

Nice one, enjoy. All about opinions. 
I don't mind being wrong in the long term, in fact I would take great satisfaction in it.

We all want to see the same thing and being proved wrong about Motherwell is very often a real bonus.

[wellfan]

Garbage. The manager doesn’t know what he’s doing. 

[wellsince75]

20 minutes ago, FirParkCornerExile said:

I agree there were a number of negatives  but it wasn't as bad as some are making out, well in my mind anyway. We made two mistakes and got punished.   The final 3rd I totally agree we were very very ineffective today, but time has to be called on Maswanhise and RCC , suitable for the subs bench only. 

Agree re dropping both of them and have them on the bench . 
 

For me we lack energy or willingness to take on players and or move at at pace - it’s all quite easy to play against .

I also think we have enough depth to be much stronger 

defence -  SOD, knight-level and Williams could all come in.

midfield - levit  deserves a slot .

Priestman will be a welcome return but personally think missing a trick by having Ollie Whyte on loan . He has a bit more physicality about him and I thought looked very decent .

forward is tricky - perhaps Thor needs a chance and I’d be happy to see a pick n mix of several others to see how they fair. 

[FirParkCornerExile]

6 minutes ago, wellfan said:

Garbage. The manager doesn’t know what he’s doing. 

You might be right you may be wrong.... only time will tell , so would advocate sacking him now ?

[wellfan]

No. It’s his job to save. Tick-tock. 

[texanwellfan]

Hodge gets a lot of the ball but not much output for the amount of possession he gets. I think hodge is a good player to have but more about seeing games out when we are ahead. I’m hoping Oscar is back in the team beside Fadinger soon. 
I’d like to see JKL in for JGR and Johnny K or SOD at right back. Earlier in the season we were shooting and crossing a lot. I’d like to see us get back to that but with PH or Thor in the middle. 

[FirParkCornerExile]

1 minute ago, texanwellfan said:

Hodge gets a lot of the ball but not much output for the amount of possession he gets. I think hodge is a good player to have but more about seeing games out when we are ahead. I’m hoping Oscar is back in the team beside Fadinger soon. 
I’d like to see JKL in for JGR and Johnny K or SOD at right back. Earlier in the season we were shooting and crossing a lot. I’d like to see us get back to that but with PH or Thor in the middle. 

Likewise , as you show we have options especially in the final 3rd its time to try them. Keep playing Maswanhise to try and keep his value up is killing us.

[Kmcalpin]

37 minutes ago, wunderwell said:

Herein lies my feelings thus far. I don't see that he has the rocket up the arse mentality. 
Cuddly managers like Klopp, Guardiola and to a degree Askou, have plenty of bite under the surface. 
Arteta, O'Neill, McInnes have some quite aggressive attitudes. 
We've got a Gray/Goodwin....and that will inevitably fail imo.

The time has now come for him to demonstrate his man management skills.

[Motherwell Daft]

Totally agree with many posters on here that our last few games since the United game have as always shown great possession but feck all attack or energy and have gifted opposition the points not out out of being outplayed just stupid decision making.

For me today we lacked the energy, Hodge n Faddy forever turning back when there was lots of space in front to run into forcing the opposition to come out their solid shape, too slow, ponderous and no movement to give the ball holder options rather than going backwards.

We need to be quicker, sharper and again put the fear into teams by our collective movement and pace, currently we look as if we are playing a Geriatrics 11 select.

Oscars energy and passing is so missed and I’m hoping his return is soon!

The forward line needs changed, Thor and Seb need a run together in the team, RCC offers nothing, Mas has lost his confidence, defence I feel Alfred needs to drop Sparrow, teams have targeted the right as he is no RB so he is the weak link, a natural RB is needed, SOD or Williams should be given a go at least until JK comes back LK should be in in place of GR, Polsen has his moments, (like Ward did last year for the first 10 games) but he is streets ahead of Connolly who gives me the hebee jeebies.

We have a decent squad but AJ needs to find the balls to drop those that haven’t performed and give others their chance, we should be mid table this year, last year was special but we won’t be Jens2.

Alfred has time but not unlimited, we need to when we get back from the break start picking up points and go on a run.

[Prestwickwell]

1 hour ago, FirParkCornerExile said:

Now that Ive had the drive back from Dundee to calm down I'm probably going to be in a minority of one. I didn't think it was bad as the hysteria being spouted online suggests and those saying the managers a dud and needs removed are needing a long hard look at themselves.

We played better football today than we did against Aberdeen, particularly in the second half where we upped the pace of the press. First half the build up was slow and predictable and there is no hiding the fact we have fuck all up front with Maswanhise.

The important points as I saw it. We beat ourselves, it was all self inflicted  I.d be more worried if Dundee were a better team than us. This was a Dundee team getting plaudits from everywhere at how good they were and had we not shot ourselves in the foot they were never beating us today.. 

1. We gifted Dundee two goals, they didn't have to work hard for them.

2. Maswanhise should now  be benched, he's not even nuisance value.

3. SOD needs brought back into the team. He can deliver decent balls into the area and with Eythor Bjørgolfsson in the forward line we have someone who could take advantage and unsettle the opposition. Maswanhise couldn't unsettle me..

4 Sparrow was far too content to turn back and play the safe easy ball and creating fuck all.

5. Hodge ain't doing it for me as yet, we badly need Preistman back. 

6. Jake Girdwood- Reich is slower than a week in the jail and again nearly cost us .His style of play actually encourages the slow pedestrian build up. When the ball is played out to him he never does anything at pace its slow and pedestrian and it allows our opponents to set up in positions to stifle us. 

7. Its time for Eythor Bjørgolfsson to start . He did more to unsettle Dundees defence in 8 minutes than Maswanhise or RCC have done in 8 games.

8. Manager is being too predictable and loyal in his team selection. We have a big squad and we have different options the manager now needs to use them.

I actually don't think we are too far away we just need the manager to make the necessary sacrifices among some of his automatic picks and for the players to learn that they don't need to take 4 or 5 touches in the box. If he sticks with his predictable first team picks we are going to see more of the same.

 

 

Tbf manager doesn’t need removed at this point 

 

everything ur suggesting there suggests he’s not on it though 😂

 

Rosenborg are a huge club but didn’t really smash it there, certainly questions to be asked 

[SteelmaninOZ]

The gaffer said 

 

[MJC]

4 hours ago, wunderwell said:

This is reminding me of nice guy Stevie Hammell.........

That’s exactly what I was thinking. The similarities are there…walked into a near impossible task, started off okay but the cracks starting to show and looking out of his depth.